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CaptnKirk

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When Rudy Tomjanovich got punched, it ended his playing career.

Rudy Tomjanovich's shattered face, 1977: In what has become known as The Punch, the Rockets forward was hustling toward an on-court fracas between teammate Kevin Kunnert and Lakers forward Kermit Washington to break it up. Sensing someone approaching from behind, Washington wheeled and nailed Tomjanovich flush in the face with a straight right hand. Tomjanovich nearly died from the blow and later needed five surgeries to repair the damage. Washington, meanwhile, was suspended for a then record 60 days. The two players have since reconciled and Washington served as an assistant coach in the NBDL this past season


As far as Ben goes, the head injury may not be the career ending injury, but the knee & leg damage probably is.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: z42
I would agree that they "know" there is more risk, but I think most people who ride without a helmet truly think there isn't a risk. They think they are invulnerable, or too skilled to ever get hurt.
Stop making assumptions. You obviously do NOT know any bikers or you'd not have made such an incredibly stupid statement. There's a common saying. "There are two types of bikers. Bikers who have crashed, and bikers who will crash." Anybody who rides knows that crashes happen. Chances are they either have done it themselves or know someone who has crashed. They also probalby know of people have died. They do not think they're invincible. Stop spewing crap when you have no fscking clue what you're talking about.
 

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
didn't vote in the poll cause i didn't like the options.

but yes PA needs a helmet law (or the fed should pass one)- the government requires there to be airbags in cars, why not helmets for motorcyclists? it makes absolutely NO sense to ride without one - you only increase your chance of serious injury/brain damage/death.

I'm willing to bet that a large majority of the people who ride without helmets are perfectly aware that they are at a greater risk, and that may even be a reason for them to do so.

Should we also ban skydiving and mountain climbing? I mean, those are risky activities and *I* think you'd have to be a moron to do either one, so therefore they should be illegal, no? I mean, no good can come from either one, other than some personal sense of thrill and excitiment from the rush of doing something dangerous. And in your opinion, personal fulfillment and enjoyment should be no reason for being allowed to do anything remotely dangerous, right? Hmm?

Unfortunately it's a case of you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. People are stupid, and will kill themselves... period... I've been guilty of it myself. I think 90% of people have been stupid at one point or another, and gotten lucky.

Only once you've learned not to be stupid do you realize just how assanine stupid really is.

-Max

No one is arguing that people can be stupid. But should the government make a a habit of outlawing all stupid behavior?
Only when it has been shown to endanger public safety

Agreed. But I'm not really seeing how a rider without a helmet endangers my safety. If anything, his soft, fleshy head will disperse upon contact with my windshield, instead of potentially coming though and striking me if he were wearing a helmet. ;)

First comment of mine was regarding idiots.

However, when a person choose to ride without a helmet/padding, society should be exempt from picking up ANY costs in the future to any mishap caused by the lack of protective gear.

Insurance companies will adjust premiums/offer additional coverage. However, if/when they payout, where to they recoup the costs from. Other policy holders, other riders or those riders that by additional coverage for stupidity.

I would expect the former; therefore society is now paying for stupidty.

Yes insurance is supposed to spread the risk; however...
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: z42
I would agree that they "know" there is more risk, but I think most people who ride without a helmet truly think there isn't a risk. They think they are invulnerable, or too skilled to ever get hurt.
Stop making assumptions. You obviously do NOT know any bikers or you'd not have made such an incredibly stupid statement. There's a common saying. "There are two types of bikers. Bikers who have crashed, and bikers who will crash." Anybody who rides knows that crashes happen. Chances are they either have done it themselves or know someone who has crashed. They also probalby know of people have died. They do not think they're invincible. Stop spewing crap when you have no fscking clue what you're talking about.

Amen! But I think he's got a point about "some" people like Roethlisberger, Kellen Winslow Jr, and Jason Williams. Those guys are pure morons they are NOT bikers. I bet all three thought they had "skillz" because they are professional athletes and that it can't be that hard to ride a motorcyle. It may be fair to see these particular guys were ignorant and arrogant enough to believe they couldn't get hurt. Obviously, school is out on all three.

Granted, I give BR a TINY bit of slack b/c he may not have caused his accident. But given his ignorance and arrogance it was only a matter of time before he would have high-sided it somewhere. Winslow on the otherhand was trying to do wheelies or something and Jason Williams was a total novice. I think both of those guys bit it around the time of Torque (the worst bike movie ever) and Biker Boyz (absolutely the worst bike movie ever).
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: z42
I would agree that they "know" there is more risk, but I think most people who ride without a helmet truly think there isn't a risk. They think they are invulnerable, or too skilled to ever get hurt.
Stop making assumptions. You obviously do NOT know any bikers or you'd not have made such an incredibly stupid statement. There's a common saying. "There are two types of bikers. Bikers who have crashed, and bikers who will crash." Anybody who rides knows that crashes happen. Chances are they either have done it themselves or know someone who has crashed. They also probalby know of people have died. They do not think they're invincible. Stop spewing crap when you have no fscking clue what you're talking about.

If bikers know they are going to crash, why do they not wear the helmet?
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Queasy
Big Ben may not have had a license
Ben Roethlisberger might have been riding without a license to drive a motorcycle when he was involved in an accident Monday.

Pittsburgh television station KDKA reported Tuesday that police are checking whether the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback had a license.

Sources told the TV station that Roethlisberger had a license to operate a car but has never had a Pennsylvania motorcycle license.

Roethlisberger had a learner's permit to operate a motorcycle that expired March 29 but had never taken the written and driving tests for a motorcycle license, a source told KDKA.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Tammy Ewin told the station that police would "have no comment on licensing issues" until after the accident investigation.
ROFL!! HAHAHAHA!

Yeah. If true, Ben is definitely busted. He broke the law with not having a license and he broke PA's helmet law since it is clear he has not had a license for two year or has taken a special safety course.

I'd have to wait and see on this one. If he got his MC license in Ohio where he grew up, he doesn't have to do anything special to transfer it over to PA. Just pay $5 more when switching over.

Oh, and being from Pgh and a huge Steelers fan.....I thought that the eBay auction was in poor taste. But funny as hell. ;)

Edit: Looks like he will be ready to play this season as well.

The injuries to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger were confined to his face and the Steelers are confident he should heal and be ready to play in the season opener Sept. 7 against the Miami Dolphins, sources told the Post-Gazette today.

Roethlisberger has a broken jaw, a broken nose and some injuries to his teeth but otherwise came through his motorcycle accident on Monday with nothing else but some scrapes and bruises. Published reports that detailed injuries to his knees and shoulders are untrue, sources said.

One source said that the surgery on Roethlisberger's face took so long -- seven hours -- in order to assist in a faster recovery time. Roethlisberger also should be ready to participate in training camp, although he may not play in the first preseason game Aug. 12 in Arizona.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: z42
I would agree that they "know" there is more risk, but I think most people who ride without a helmet truly think there isn't a risk. They think they are invulnerable, or too skilled to ever get hurt.
Stop making assumptions. You obviously do NOT know any bikers or you'd not have made such an incredibly stupid statement. There's a common saying. "There are two types of bikers. Bikers who have crashed, and bikers who will crash." Anybody who rides knows that crashes happen. Chances are they either have done it themselves or know someone who has crashed. They also probalby know of people have died. They do not think they're invincible. Stop spewing crap when you have no fscking clue what you're talking about.

If bikers know they are going to crash, why do they not wear the helmet?

Because they're adults who have weighed the options and made their choice?
 

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: z42
I would agree that they "know" there is more risk, but I think most people who ride without a helmet truly think there isn't a risk. They think they are invulnerable, or too skilled to ever get hurt.
Stop making assumptions. You obviously do NOT know any bikers or you'd not have made such an incredibly stupid statement. There's a common saying. "There are two types of bikers. Bikers who have crashed, and bikers who will crash." Anybody who rides knows that crashes happen. Chances are they either have done it themselves or know someone who has crashed. They also probalby know of people have died. They do not think they're invincible. Stop spewing crap when you have no fscking clue what you're talking about.

If bikers know they are going to crash, why do they not wear the helmet?

Because they're immatureadults who have weighed the options and made their choice?

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BoberFett

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: z42
I would agree that they "know" there is more risk, but I think most people who ride without a helmet truly think there isn't a risk. They think they are invulnerable, or too skilled to ever get hurt.
Stop making assumptions. You obviously do NOT know any bikers or you'd not have made such an incredibly stupid statement. There's a common saying. "There are two types of bikers. Bikers who have crashed, and bikers who will crash." Anybody who rides knows that crashes happen. Chances are they either have done it themselves or know someone who has crashed. They also probalby know of people have died. They do not think they're invincible. Stop spewing crap when you have no fscking clue what you're talking about.

If bikers know they are going to crash, why do they not wear the helmet?

Because they're immatureadults who have weighed the options and made their choice?

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Wow, so anybody who makes a different decision than you is immature? I'd love to follow people like you around for a day and tear your life to pieces, pointing out all of the things that you do wrong.

This is too easy:

Here we can see that you gamble. Talk about immature. Gambling should be illegal, and people like you that do it should have all their assets taken away so they aren't tempted to gamble.

I'd have become a busy-body asshole like EagleKeeper a long time ago if I knew criticizing people's lifestyles was so fun and easy!
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Agreed. But I'm not really seeing how a rider without a helmet endangers my safety. If anything, his soft, fleshy head will disperse upon contact with my windshield, instead of potentially coming though and striking me if he were wearing a helmet. ;)

First comment of mine was regarding idiots.

However, when a person choose to ride without a helmet/padding, society should be exempt from picking up ANY costs in the future to any mishap caused by the lack of protective gear.

Insurance companies will adjust premiums/offer additional coverage. However, if/when they payout, where to they recoup the costs from. Other policy holders, other riders or those riders that by additional coverage for stupidity.

I would expect the former; therefore society is now paying for stupidty.

Yes insurance is supposed to spread the risk; however...

Well, most states require that those riders who get their "helmetless" permits *do* require them to pay for extra insurance.

But again, what about people who choose to drive in vehicles that have anything less that a 5-star crash rating? Should "society" be exept from paying for any of their accidents as well? Where do you draw the line?

Hell, I'd rather have my insurance pay for bikers without helmets that wreck, than for people who eat junk food all day and require extensive medical costs for heart-related problems. We'd all save a fortune in premiums!
 

Ilmater

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Hey sao123, nice wording on the poll.

"yes the government has a responsibility to make people safe by controlling every aspect of their private life"

Retarded. Personally, I think that safety belt and helmet laws should be there to control the health care costs of people that don't wear them. Plus, do you know any cops? Seeing peoples bodies in those conditions will mess with you. This isn't government controlling every aspect of people's private lives ferchristsake.

For the record, I voted no, but it's because I like the idea that it weeds out the fvcking idiots.

Edit: I see Deeko and I are on the same page.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Wow, so anybody who makes a different decision than you is immature? I'd love to follow people like you around for a day and tear your life to pieces, pointing out all of the things that you do wrong.
I'd like to add that I also very clearly think he's an absolute idiot (Ben). If you disagree or judgemental, you're an idiot. Why? Because you're moving your body at a ridiculous rate of speed with nothing to protect you from death when you crash. Just think... if Ben had had a full helmet, he'd be back in the gym in a week. Instead, it looks like he'll be wearing dentures for the rest of his life.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Wow, so anybody who makes a different decision than you is immature? I'd love to follow people like you around for a day and tear your life to pieces, pointing out all of the things that you do wrong.
I'd like to add that I also very clearly think he's an absolute idiot (Ben). If you disagree or judgemental, you're an idiot. Why? Because you're moving your body at a ridiculous rate of speed with nothing to protect you from death when you crash. Just think... if Ben had had a full helmet, he'd be back in the gym in a week. Instead, it looks like he'll be wearing dentures for the rest of his life.

You put money into a 401K, presumably to save it and now need to withdraw it before you've retired. You're obviously an idiot.


And here we see that you were a fatass that needed to lose 40 pounds or more. Maybe if you weren't such an idiot you'd not have endangered your life by becoming such a fatass.

Wow, what an idiot. And if you disagree with me, you're an idiot.

This is fun, anybody else want some?
 

TheAudit

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Wow, so anybody who makes a different decision than you is immature? I'd love to follow people like you around for a day and tear your life to pieces, pointing out all of the things that you do wrong.
I'd like to add that I also very clearly think he's an absolute idiot (Ben). If you disagree or judgemental, you're an idiot. Why? Because you're moving your body at a ridiculous rate of speed with nothing to protect you from death when you crash. Just think... if Ben had had a full helmet, he'd be back in the gym in a week. Instead, it looks like he'll be wearing dentures for the rest of his life.

So then maybe Ben can become the spokesperson for Efferdent!
 

ballmode

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Jordan didnt do any crazy stuff besides golf/gamble/smoke during his Bulls NBA playing.

YAY NOW THE COLTS CAN GO THROUGH THE AFC EASIER