Just got MS Flight Simulator 2004...why did they remove the Concorde?

[dmw16]

I just got MS Flight Simulator 2k4 and they removed the Concorde. What gives? I think the concorde is totally awesome...and Im bummed.
-doug

 

[bernse]

It's been gone since FS2K2.

Why? I don't know what the official reasoning was. I think it may have something to do with the supersonic flight modeling in MS-FS.

 

[EyeMWing]

Official reasoning is incompatability with the ATC system introduced in FS2k2.
ATC vectors you around like a bitch, and then cancels your flightplan if you don't make those vectors - which is IMPOSSIBLE to do once you've gone Supersonic. You can, however, import the FS2k concorde and just fly VFR (Or IFR during takeoff and approach, and don't switch frequencies when you're instructed to so you can go to cruise without ATC cancelling your flightplan)

 

[dmw16]

I never had FS2k2. Where can I get the concorde and how can I import it?
thanks,
-doug

 

[Kntx]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Official reasoning is incompatability with the ATC system introduced in FS2k2.
ATC vectors you around like a bitch, and then cancels your flightplan if you don't make those vectors - which is IMPOSSIBLE to do once you've gone Supersonic. You can, however, import the FS2k concorde and just fly VFR (Or IFR during takeoff and approach, and don't switch frequencies when you're instructed to so you can go to cruise without ATC cancelling your flightplan)

jesus h christ this game sounds ridiculously complicated.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Official reasoning is incompatability with the ATC system introduced in FS2k2.
ATC vectors you around like a bitch, and then cancels your flightplan if you don't make those vectors - which is IMPOSSIBLE to do once you've gone Supersonic. You can, however, import the FS2k concorde and just fly VFR (Or IFR during takeoff and approach, and don't switch frequencies when you're instructed to so you can go to cruise without ATC cancelling your flightplan)

jesus h christ this game sounds ridiculously complicated.

I wouldn't consider it a game, it's pretty much digital crack for the diehard simfans.

viper GTS

 

[Hammer]

how do you shoot in it?

 

[Bootprint]

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Official reasoning is incompatability with the ATC system introduced in FS2k2.
ATC vectors you around like a bitch, and then cancels your flightplan if you don't make those vectors - which is IMPOSSIBLE to do once you've gone Supersonic. You can, however, import the FS2k concorde and just fly VFR (Or IFR during takeoff and approach, and don't switch frequencies when you're instructed to so you can go to cruise without ATC cancelling your flightplan)

jesus h christ this game sounds ridiculously complicated.

That's why it's called a simulator... to simulator real life, flying isn't easy.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: dmw16
I never had FS2k2. Where can I get the concorde and how can I import it?
thanks,
-doug

You can't - legally. Buy a used copy of FS2000 Pro on eBay, and install it. Then it's just an issue of copying the Concorde files from FS2000/aircraft to FS2004/aircraft, and the gauges from FS2000/gauges to FS2004/gauges (Do NOT overwrite!)

 

[AlmostFunny]

Originally posted by: Hammer
how do you shoot in it?

HAHA! That really did make me laugh. Thanks!

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Official reasoning is incompatability with the ATC system introduced in FS2k2.
ATC vectors you around like a bitch, and then cancels your flightplan if you don't make those vectors - which is IMPOSSIBLE to do once you've gone Supersonic. You can, however, import the FS2k concorde and just fly VFR (Or IFR during takeoff and approach, and don't switch frequencies when you're instructed to so you can go to cruise without ATC cancelling your flightplan)

jesus h christ this game sounds ridiculously complicated.

It is. At least in the big planes. Any moron can fly one of the Cessnas in good weather after 10 minutes of training. I can't even handle anything larger than a 737 very well (But I've taken my 737 through insane situations). Pulled off a single engine landing at Regan in hurricane force crosswinds - only to have a wind gust toss my plane off the edge of the runway and clip off the right wing on a radar building or summat.

 

[crab]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Official reasoning is incompatability with the ATC system introduced in FS2k2.
ATC vectors you around like a bitch, and then cancels your flightplan if you don't make those vectors - which is IMPOSSIBLE to do once you've gone Supersonic. You can, however, import the FS2k concorde and just fly VFR (Or IFR during takeoff and approach, and don't switch frequencies when you're instructed to so you can go to cruise without ATC cancelling your flightplan)

jesus h christ this game sounds ridiculously complicated.

It is. At least in the big planes. Any moron can fly one of the Cessnas in good weather after 10 minutes of training. I can't even handle anything larger than a 737 very well (But I've taken my 737 through insane situations). Pulled off a single engine landing at Regan in hurricane force crosswinds - only to have a wind gust toss my plane off the edge of the runway and clip off the right wing on a radar building or summat.

The large airplanes in there are disgustingly unrealistic. There are addons out there made by airline pilots that require hours of studying to fly properly. I have them all...hands down, the 767PIC package for 2000,2002 (and soon a remake for 2004) is #1. Try the PSS packages, too.

edit: Look through this manual. zipped PDF

 

[LordMorpheus]

I'm more of a IL2 fan. I mean, the flight modeling is nearly as good as in the MS series. And its amazing fun in huge online dogfights. You have no idea how amazing it can be until you join a 32 player server. Especially if you try to fight in an obsolete/bad fighter. Try to take on a group of Yak-3s while you are flying a Yak-9K. They out-turn, out-run, out-accelerate, -outeverything you, except you have a 45mm cannon and they have dinky little guns. Its great fun dogfighting with one, he fills your wings with holes, your engine is dumping black smoke out the exhaust and only turning at about 70% of its normal RPM's, maybe your rudder is shot off, and then you get the perfect deflection shot and land 45mm worth of HE in the enemy pilot's lap . . its even cooler if you pull off an RTB after that.

I had an ooold version of MSflight simulator, you could fly a cessna, stunt-prop plane, learjet, biplane, and fighter-style jet.

The cool thing was the modifications you could do to each plane: you could alter wing position, wing size, wing swept forward/back, up/down, same thing with elevators and rudder, then you could alter engine power and plane weight, COG, everything, and then play with the result. It was fun flying a jet with its elevators forward of the wings . . . and tough . . .

a good series, i never got any of the others, tho. 2k4 looks maybe worth it.

 

[Amorphus]

Concorde was retired awhile back IRL. no more Concordes in use commercially. sorry.

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: Amorphus
Concorde was retired awhile back IRL. no more Concordes in use commercially. sorry.

British Airways is still flying them until the end of October, IIRC.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: crab

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Official reasoning is incompatability with the ATC system introduced in FS2k2.
ATC vectors you around like a bitch, and then cancels your flightplan if you don't make those vectors - which is IMPOSSIBLE to do once you've gone Supersonic. You can, however, import the FS2k concorde and just fly VFR (Or IFR during takeoff and approach, and don't switch frequencies when you're instructed to so you can go to cruise without ATC cancelling your flightplan)

jesus h christ this game sounds ridiculously complicated.

It is. At least in the big planes. Any moron can fly one of the Cessnas in good weather after 10 minutes of training. I can't even handle anything larger than a 737 very well (But I've taken my 737 through insane situations). Pulled off a single engine landing at Regan in hurricane force crosswinds - only to have a wind gust toss my plane off the edge of the runway and clip off the right wing on a radar building or summat.

The large airplanes in there are disgustingly unrealistic. There are addons out there made by airline pilots that require hours of studying to fly properly. I have them all...hands down, the 767PIC package for 2000,2002 (and soon a remake for 2004) is #1. Try the PSS packages, too.

edit: Look through this manual. zipped PDF

roflmaolol...i guess i have to agree w/ kntx...


lol


i played an old version of ms-fs long time ago (played well on a 166p2 so..yeah pretty damn old hehe)
..and i thought that was pretty complicated...i tried to just fly the learjet and after 2 hours i finally managed to take off...

and crash

 

[Aves]

Originally posted by: Amorphus
Concorde was retired awhile back IRL. no more Concordes in use commercially. sorry.

Actually they are being retired in October. This just happened the other day.

 

[bernse]

BTW - What the hell does that have to do with why it isn't included in the game?

 

[Amorphus]

alright, fine, its being retired in a month.

bernse - because this is Flight Sim 2004, and it tries to be realistic, and the concorde won't be around in 2004.

 

[crab]

It wasn't in 2002, either.

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: Amorphus
alright, fine, its being retired in a month.

bernse - because this is Flight Sim 2004, and it tries to be realistic, and the concorde won't be around in 2004.

Considering about 1/2 the aircraft included in FS 2004 haven't flown for 50+ years, that isn't important.

 

[crypticlogin]

I had an ooold version of MSflight simulator, you could fly a cessna, stunt-prop plane, learjet, biplane, and fighter-style jet.

The cool thing was the modifications you could do to each plane: you could alter wing position, wing size, wing swept forward/back, up/down, same thing with elevators and rudder, then you could alter engine power and plane weight, COG, everything, and then play with the result. It was fun flying a jet with its elevators forward of the wings . . . and tough . . .

a good series, i never got any of the others, tho. 2k4 looks maybe worth it.

That sounds suspiciously like Flight Simulator 4. My brother bought that and like Hammer, thought every mode except the dogfight mode was a waste. It didn't matter that the other planes were stick figures and you could be blind and still hit the other plane if you were facing in their general direction.

 

[dmw16]

You havent been in a hard core dogfight till you've played Falcon 4.0. It is the most realistic combat flight sim ever made. It is amazing!

 

[eLiu]

crab, do you buy those packages commercially? I've never seen anything like that in stores or whatnot...if it doesn't cost too much, I think I'd get a kick out of some more complicated add-ons.

 

[crab]

Originally posted by: eLiu
crab, do you buy those packages commercially? I've never seen anything like that in stores or whatnot...if it doesn't cost too much, I think I'd get a kick out of some more complicated add-ons.

Dreamfleet - Great 737-400 for 2k and 2k2, along with some of the best GA packages, and an amazing ATR on the way.
Phoenix - Airbus packages - A319, A320, A321 and A330, A340. 2k2, 2k4
Wilco 767 PIC - My favorite...this one is a gem. I love it. Its kinda old, but is still king. I suggest this, plus I can help you with it. 2k, 2k2
PMDG - Excellent 737NG package. 2k2, 2k4
Captain Sim - Great 727 package, 707 on the way. 2k2, 2k4

I have ALL of these, (well, whats out anyway). Feel free to ask me anything.