Just got back from Anti-war protest

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: VFAA

Originally posted by: Mardeth
Whats the hurry? Until few months back you werent even talking about Iraq and now suddenly you want war. And why cant you wait for the UK to finish their jobs? Iraq wont go anywhere.

And why are you talking about terrorist and Iraq in the same sentence. Iraqians arent anymore terrorist than you are and if the situation in Iraq was so bad why would the citizens support Saddam? I havent seen ANY proof what so ever that Iraq has nuclear bombs or biological weapons and frankly if the proof is coming from US I wont believe it. As I read these post my opionions of the american people is anything but getting better. There are few execptions which give me hope.

If there is going to be a war youll probably get your ass kicked as every other you have fought outside your country. Just because your big doesnt necessaraly mean youll win thew war. If someone remembers when Russia attacked Finland with more than tens times the manpower they still didnt conquer us and the Russian General said "We conquered just enough land to bury our dead."

Then your talking about freedom but your even allowed to express your own opinions or believe in what you want. Just blindly follow your leader. Oh I really hoped that Al Gore would have been selected.

And it seems that you think that europeans are terrorists and anti-american, because I chatted with a girl once and she said that her father wouldnt let her travel to Europe because there terrorist and anti-americans there. Well I can assure you than youll literally ten times more safer in european vity than in New York or something. Maybe this just one case and I dont mean to generalize...

Man you guys are so braiwashed. If youd just stop reading new papers and watching TV for a few months youd see the whole world in a different way.

I bet Im gonna be flamed.

Well it's not that you're gonna get flamed from me but I'll comment. You're not convinced that Iraq has bio and chemical weapons? He used them on his own people AND declered VX gas that he has "aquired"... He's also got Anthrax, smallpox and few other things... He has 2 out of the 3 ingredients on how to make nukes, mmkay? Man, leaders like Saddam aren't stupid people. They are educated and know how to play the ball. They are not gonna roll over and surrender whatever they have aquired or developed, would you? He's murdered his own people and attacked other countries. This guy is Hitler #2 yet still in power... You really believe that Iraqies voted for Saddam and he won the election with something like 99.7%? C'mon... People are scared sh!tless in that country. I knew a guy in College who escaped from Iraq to Germany and than to Canada after his dad and his older brother were shot execution style at home for nothing, NOTHING! I also knew a girl from Iran who also escaped with her family to Canada because her government is corrupted. People in Iraq don't have lifestyle that we do here. There's a total media blackout there... Only after UN Inspectors were let in media went right back, though was threatened to get out. Saddam doesn't want publicity. He doesn't want 'you' to know his business. Let's look at the facts about Saddam okay... Would you like to meet a murderer? Most of you guys said "yes" to trust Saddam more rather than Bush and Blair. I'm guessing none of you remember the Gulf War and about 10 years before it, how Saddam was acting. And to those that will jump in and say; Oh Iraw was an ally once... Yes it was, it was because the US president belived peace can be achieved without blood shed. But no, Saddam backstabbed just like the idiot in North Korea is doing. Guys you know Saddam needs to be removed, you just don't want to risk your lifes over somebody elses (Iraqies)... I don't like Wars but if it is the only way, than let it be. Remember if you bring honest education into a country, people will learn and understand. Do you know what they teach 6 year olds in Iraq? "USA is bad. UK is bad. Every other western world country is bad. Saddam is our father and he will protect us from salvation." That's what the guy from Iraq told me back in College.

Its good that you express your opinion as calmly as you do. But I most say that as long as US has obviously also other motivises to attack than weapons and that kind of things I wont believe your goverment but if some other country like Finland believes it to be the right thing to do (attack Iraq) Im convinced. But if Saddam has done so much bad things and is a obvious threat to all why would anybody be against attacking Iraq?

 

[VFAA]

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: VFAA

Originally posted by: Mardeth
Whats the hurry? Until few months back you werent even talking about Iraq and now suddenly you want war. And why cant you wait for the UK to finish their jobs? Iraq wont go anywhere.

And why are you talking about terrorist and Iraq in the same sentence. Iraqians arent anymore terrorist than you are and if the situation in Iraq was so bad why would the citizens support Saddam? I havent seen ANY proof what so ever that Iraq has nuclear bombs or biological weapons and frankly if the proof is coming from US I wont believe it. As I read these post my opionions of the american people is anything but getting better. There are few execptions which give me hope.

If there is going to be a war youll probably get your ass kicked as every other you have fought outside your country. Just because your big doesnt necessaraly mean youll win thew war. If someone remembers when Russia attacked Finland with more than tens times the manpower they still didnt conquer us and the Russian General said "We conquered just enough land to bury our dead."

Then your talking about freedom but your even allowed to express your own opinions or believe in what you want. Just blindly follow your leader. Oh I really hoped that Al Gore would have been selected.

And it seems that you think that europeans are terrorists and anti-american, because I chatted with a girl once and she said that her father wouldnt let her travel to Europe because there terrorist and anti-americans there. Well I can assure you than youll literally ten times more safer in european vity than in New York or something. Maybe this just one case and I dont mean to generalize...

Man you guys are so braiwashed. If youd just stop reading new papers and watching TV for a few months youd see the whole world in a different way.

I bet Im gonna be flamed.

Well it's not that you're gonna get flamed from me but I'll comment. You're not convinced that Iraq has bio and chemical weapons? He used them on his own people AND declered VX gas that he has "aquired"... He's also got Anthrax, smallpox and few other things... He has 2 out of the 3 ingredients on how to make nukes, mmkay? Man, leaders like Saddam aren't stupid people. They are educated and know how to play the ball. They are not gonna roll over and surrender whatever they have aquired or developed, would you? He's murdered his own people and attacked other countries. This guy is Hitler #2 yet still in power... You really believe that Iraqies voted for Saddam and he won the election with something like 99.7%? C'mon... People are scared sh!tless in that country. I knew a guy in College who escaped from Iraq to Germany and than to Canada after his dad and his older brother were shot execution style at home for nothing, NOTHING! I also knew a girl from Iran who also escaped with her family to Canada because her government is corrupted. People in Iraq don't have lifestyle that we do here. There's a total media blackout there... Only after UN Inspectors were let in media went right back, though was threatened to get out. Saddam doesn't want publicity. He doesn't want 'you' to know his business. Let's look at the facts about Saddam okay... Would you like to meet a murderer? Most of you guys said "yes" to trust Saddam more rather than Bush and Blair. I'm guessing none of you remember the Gulf War and about 10 years before it, how Saddam was acting. And to those that will jump in and say; Oh Iraw was an ally once... Yes it was, it was because the US president belived peace can be achieved without blood shed. But no, Saddam backstabbed just like the idiot in North Korea is doing. Guys you know Saddam needs to be removed, you just don't want to risk your lifes over somebody elses (Iraqies)... I don't like Wars but if it is the only way, than let it be. Remember if you bring honest education into a country, people will learn and understand. Do you know what they teach 6 year olds in Iraq? "USA is bad. UK is bad. Every other western world country is bad. Saddam is our father and he will protect us from salvation." That's what the guy from Iraq told me back in College.

Its good that you express your opinion as calmly as you do. But I most say that as long as US has obviously also other motivises to attack than weapons and that kind of things I wont believe your goverment but if some other country like Finland believes it to be the right thing to do (attack Iraq) Im convinced. But if Saddam has done so much bad things and is a obvious threat to all why would anybody be against attacking Iraq?

World knows Saddam is dangerous, they just don't want to spend their resources fighting Iraq... Where do you think France gets its oil from? Why do you think they oppose a possible US strike? It's not only about oil in Iraq for US... Cause 20 years from now, all our vehicles will most likely be powered by hydrogen or some other resource. Would your opinion change if Saddam launched a full spread of skud missiles on Isreal and Turkey? Just think if Saddam doesn't disarm and US will attack, 1st thing Saddam will do is launch his missiles on his neighbours... He'll try to make as much damage as he can before he goes down. World is too ignorant to pay more attention to Iraq aside from Britain and USA... How do you think WWII started? Germany broke all the rules with its military build up and country take overs, EVEN after UK and France told them to stop... Did Hitler listen? No, he invaded Poland in 1939 and WWII started... Think about what's going on here right now... UK and France did nothing to prevent Hitler from its military build up in early 30s... Instead they let him become even more powerful than those 2 countries combined... UK is not making the same mistake twice while France doesn't want to lose on economy... and Russia, ha, still a communist country if you ask me... You have no idea how much BS goes on in this country that public has no idea about. Putin is slowly bringing back dictatorship, just look at his political party...

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: etech


"No, no, no!" one man said excitedly, and he seemed to speak for all. Iraqis,

It's real nice that you like what this one guy said and that the reporter wanted to take it as speaking for all Iraq. But really.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: novon
Estimated 20,000 people showed up here in Seattle, it was really cool. Got some video and pics, will post soon.

In the words of Cartman

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: VFAA

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: VFAA

Originally posted by: Mardeth
Whats the hurry? Until few months back you werent even talking about Iraq and now suddenly you want war. And why cant you wait for the UK to finish their jobs? Iraq wont go anywhere.

And why are you talking about terrorist and Iraq in the same sentence. Iraqians arent anymore terrorist than you are and if the situation in Iraq was so bad why would the citizens support Saddam? I havent seen ANY proof what so ever that Iraq has nuclear bombs or biological weapons and frankly if the proof is coming from US I wont believe it. As I read these post my opionions of the american people is anything but getting better. There are few execptions which give me hope.

If there is going to be a war youll probably get your ass kicked as every other you have fought outside your country. Just because your big doesnt necessaraly mean youll win thew war. If someone remembers when Russia attacked Finland with more than tens times the manpower they still didnt conquer us and the Russian General said "We conquered just enough land to bury our dead."

Then your talking about freedom but your even allowed to express your own opinions or believe in what you want. Just blindly follow your leader. Oh I really hoped that Al Gore would have been selected.

And it seems that you think that europeans are terrorists and anti-american, because I chatted with a girl once and she said that her father wouldnt let her travel to Europe because there terrorist and anti-americans there. Well I can assure you than youll literally ten times more safer in european vity than in New York or something. Maybe this just one case and I dont mean to generalize...

Man you guys are so braiwashed. If youd just stop reading new papers and watching TV for a few months youd see the whole world in a different way.

I bet Im gonna be flamed.

Well it's not that you're gonna get flamed from me but I'll comment. You're not convinced that Iraq has bio and chemical weapons? He used them on his own people AND declered VX gas that he has "aquired"... He's also got Anthrax, smallpox and few other things... He has 2 out of the 3 ingredients on how to make nukes, mmkay? Man, leaders like Saddam aren't stupid people. They are educated and know how to play the ball. They are not gonna roll over and surrender whatever they have aquired or developed, would you? He's murdered his own people and attacked other countries. This guy is Hitler #2 yet still in power... You really believe that Iraqies voted for Saddam and he won the election with something like 99.7%? C'mon... People are scared sh!tless in that country. I knew a guy in College who escaped from Iraq to Germany and than to Canada after his dad and his older brother were shot execution style at home for nothing, NOTHING! I also knew a girl from Iran who also escaped with her family to Canada because her government is corrupted. People in Iraq don't have lifestyle that we do here. There's a total media blackout there... Only after UN Inspectors were let in media went right back, though was threatened to get out. Saddam doesn't want publicity. He doesn't want 'you' to know his business. Let's look at the facts about Saddam okay... Would you like to meet a murderer? Most of you guys said "yes" to trust Saddam more rather than Bush and Blair. I'm guessing none of you remember the Gulf War and about 10 years before it, how Saddam was acting. And to those that will jump in and say; Oh Iraw was an ally once... Yes it was, it was because the US president belived peace can be achieved without blood shed. But no, Saddam backstabbed just like the idiot in North Korea is doing. Guys you know Saddam needs to be removed, you just don't want to risk your lifes over somebody elses (Iraqies)... I don't like Wars but if it is the only way, than let it be. Remember if you bring honest education into a country, people will learn and understand. Do you know what they teach 6 year olds in Iraq? "USA is bad. UK is bad. Every other western world country is bad. Saddam is our father and he will protect us from salvation." That's what the guy from Iraq told me back in College.

Its good that you express your opinion as calmly as you do. But I most say that as long as US has obviously also other motivises to attack than weapons and that kind of things I wont believe your goverment but if some other country like Finland believes it to be the right thing to do (attack Iraq) Im convinced. But if Saddam has done so much bad things and is a obvious threat to all why would anybody be against attacking Iraq?

World knows Saddam is dangerous, they just don't want to spend their resources fighting Iraq... Where do you think France gets its oil from? Why do you think they oppose a possible US strike? It's not only about oil in Iraq for US... Cause 20 years from now, all our vehicles will most likely be powered by hydrogen or some other resource. Would your opinion change if Saddam launched a full spread of skud missiles on Isreal and Turkey? Just think if Saddam doesn't disarm and US will attack, 1st thing Saddam will do is launch his missiles on his neighbours... He'll try to make as much damage as he can before he goes down. World is too ignorant to pay more attention to Iraq aside from Britain and USA... How do you think WWII started? Germany broke all the rules with its military build up and country take overs, EVEN after UK and France told them to stop... Did Hitler listen? No, he invaded Poland in 1939 and WWII started... Think about what's going on here right now... UK and France did nothing to prevent Hitler from its military build up in early 30s... Instead they let him become even more powerful than those 2 countries combined... UK is not making the same mistake twice while France doesn't want to lose on economy... and Russia, ha, still a communist country if you ask me... You have no idea how much BS goes on in this country that public has no idea about. Putin is slowly bringing back dictatorship, just look at his political party...

Illogical rants and the lack of sentence structure seems to go hand in hand.

 

[ZapZilla]

Here is a link showing two protesters and their 4 signs marching for war last weekend in a rally in San Francisco.

1) Protect Islamic property rights against Western Imperialism! Say No to War!
(With drawing of a woman chained to a post)

2) Communism has killed only 100 Million people. Let's Give It Another Chance!

3) Sadam Only Kills His Own People. Its None of Our Business!

4) Except For Ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism, & Communism WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING.


Classic! More power to 'em. I wish I had thought of it.


(I posted this already here, but it is relevent in this thread too.)

 

[Moonbeam]

Etech quotes an Iraqi:

"No, no, no!" one man said excitedly, and he seemed to speak for all. Iraqis, they said, wanted their freedom, and wanted it now. The message for Mr. Bush, they said, was that he should press ahead with war, but on conditions that spared ordinary Iraqis.
---------------

I hope he and you are right. I read about this:


By Mickey Z.

"If war is forced upon us, we will fight in a just cause and by just means sparing, in every way we can, the innocent."
-- George W. Bush, in his State of the Union Address, January 28, 2003

The Pentagon recently revealed its plan for the first day of the inevitable saturation bombing of Iraq...Baghdad, in particular. On "Air Strikes Day" (or "A Day") the U.S. and Britain will launch 300 to 400 cruise missiles into Iraq. "That's more missiles than were launched during the entire 40-day Persian Gulf war of 1991," says James Ridgeway in the Village Voice.

The following day, another 400 missiles will be launched. "The sheer size of this has never been contemplated before," one Pentagon strategist told CBS News. "There will not be a safe place in Baghdad." In warspeak, this plan is called "shock and awe." The idea is to crush the enemy's will to fight. According to military strategist Harlan Ullman, the planned attack will be "rather like the nuclear weapons at Hiroshima." Air Strikes Day will "take the city down," wipe out the water and power supplies in Baghdad, and leave the Iraqis "physically, emotionally, and psychologically exhausted."

"What Bush proposes," says Ridgeway, "is not collateral damage, but a level of civilian destruction not seen since the Second World War, with tens of thousands of intended civilian casualties."

Link here.

 

[SlowSS]

There will always be collateral damages in a war and there is no such thing as surgical strike.

Having said that, our weapons are very precise and are able to guide/program them to the targets,
but not every missile and bombs (regardless of how smart it is), will hit intended targets,
some will stray off for whatever reason and will civilians.

"What Bush proposes," says Ridgeway, "is not collateral damage, but a level of civilian destruction not seen since the Second World War, with tens of thousands of intended civilian casualties."

But, above assessment seems very extream and biased to me, since Rigeway thinks Bush is "bloodlust".
Anyways, because of our technology and precision of our weapons, I don't believe the civilian casualities
will be "tens of thousands of intended civilian casualties" as he stated.

Fact of matter is, we could speculate all we want, but it doesn't amount to beans until war actually happens,
and we analyze after affects of our attack. I remember in 1991, there were many who said our
military casualties will exceed 10,000 but they ended up eating their words.

 

[VFAA]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: VFAA

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: VFAA

Originally posted by: Mardeth
Whats the hurry? Until few months back you werent even talking about Iraq and now suddenly you want war. And why cant you wait for the UK to finish their jobs? Iraq wont go anywhere.

And why are you talking about terrorist and Iraq in the same sentence. Iraqians arent anymore terrorist than you are and if the situation in Iraq was so bad why would the citizens support Saddam? I havent seen ANY proof what so ever that Iraq has nuclear bombs or biological weapons and frankly if the proof is coming from US I wont believe it. As I read these post my opionions of the american people is anything but getting better. There are few execptions which give me hope.

If there is going to be a war youll probably get your ass kicked as every other you have fought outside your country. Just because your big doesnt necessaraly mean youll win thew war. If someone remembers when Russia attacked Finland with more than tens times the manpower they still didnt conquer us and the Russian General said "We conquered just enough land to bury our dead."

Then your talking about freedom but your even allowed to express your own opinions or believe in what you want. Just blindly follow your leader. Oh I really hoped that Al Gore would have been selected.

And it seems that you think that europeans are terrorists and anti-american, because I chatted with a girl once and she said that her father wouldnt let her travel to Europe because there terrorist and anti-americans there. Well I can assure you than youll literally ten times more safer in european vity than in New York or something. Maybe this just one case and I dont mean to generalize...

Man you guys are so braiwashed. If youd just stop reading new papers and watching TV for a few months youd see the whole world in a different way.

I bet Im gonna be flamed.

Well it's not that you're gonna get flamed from me but I'll comment. You're not convinced that Iraq has bio and chemical weapons? He used them on his own people AND declered VX gas that he has "aquired"... He's also got Anthrax, smallpox and few other things... He has 2 out of the 3 ingredients on how to make nukes, mmkay? Man, leaders like Saddam aren't stupid people. They are educated and know how to play the ball. They are not gonna roll over and surrender whatever they have aquired or developed, would you? He's murdered his own people and attacked other countries. This guy is Hitler #2 yet still in power... You really believe that Iraqies voted for Saddam and he won the election with something like 99.7%? C'mon... People are scared sh!tless in that country. I knew a guy in College who escaped from Iraq to Germany and than to Canada after his dad and his older brother were shot execution style at home for nothing, NOTHING! I also knew a girl from Iran who also escaped with her family to Canada because her government is corrupted. People in Iraq don't have lifestyle that we do here. There's a total media blackout there... Only after UN Inspectors were let in media went right back, though was threatened to get out. Saddam doesn't want publicity. He doesn't want 'you' to know his business. Let's look at the facts about Saddam okay... Would you like to meet a murderer? Most of you guys said "yes" to trust Saddam more rather than Bush and Blair. I'm guessing none of you remember the Gulf War and about 10 years before it, how Saddam was acting. And to those that will jump in and say; Oh Iraw was an ally once... Yes it was, it was because the US president belived peace can be achieved without blood shed. But no, Saddam backstabbed just like the idiot in North Korea is doing. Guys you know Saddam needs to be removed, you just don't want to risk your lifes over somebody elses (Iraqies)... I don't like Wars but if it is the only way, than let it be. Remember if you bring honest education into a country, people will learn and understand. Do you know what they teach 6 year olds in Iraq? "USA is bad. UK is bad. Every other western world country is bad. Saddam is our father and he will protect us from salvation." That's what the guy from Iraq told me back in College.

Its good that you express your opinion as calmly as you do. But I most say that as long as US has obviously also other motivises to attack than weapons and that kind of things I wont believe your goverment but if some other country like Finland believes it to be the right thing to do (attack Iraq) Im convinced. But if Saddam has done so much bad things and is a obvious threat to all why would anybody be against attacking Iraq?

World knows Saddam is dangerous, they just don't want to spend their resources fighting Iraq... Where do you think France gets its oil from? Why do you think they oppose a possible US strike? It's not only about oil in Iraq for US... Cause 20 years from now, all our vehicles will most likely be powered by hydrogen or some other resource. Would your opinion change if Saddam launched a full spread of skud missiles on Isreal and Turkey? Just think if Saddam doesn't disarm and US will attack, 1st thing Saddam will do is launch his missiles on his neighbours... He'll try to make as much damage as he can before he goes down. World is too ignorant to pay more attention to Iraq aside from Britain and USA... How do you think WWII started? Germany broke all the rules with its military build up and country take overs, EVEN after UK and France told them to stop... Did Hitler listen? No, he invaded Poland in 1939 and WWII started... Think about what's going on here right now... UK and France did nothing to prevent Hitler from its military build up in early 30s... Instead they let him become even more powerful than those 2 countries combined... UK is not making the same mistake twice while France doesn't want to lose on economy... and Russia, ha, still a communist country if you ask me... You have no idea how much BS goes on in this country that public has no idea about. Putin is slowly bringing back dictatorship, just look at his political party...

Illogical rants and the lack of sentence structure seems to go hand in hand.

 

[roncarter]

Im against war too! Good job man!!!

 

[dabuddha]

Yes! Idiots of the world unite!

 

[Moonbeam]

SlowSS:

Fact of matter is, we could speculate all we want, but it doesn't amount to beans until war actually happens,
and we analyze after affects of our attack. I remember in 1991, there were many who said our
military casualties will exceed 10,000 but they ended up eating their words.
-------------------------
Precisely why the war needs to be stopped before it happens. We killed a ton of Iraqis and if we had lost a ton ourselves there would be no undoing it. This is a war that we will start that we don't have to.

 

[Zepper]

Typical of the clueless. The so-called anti-war posturing going on is anti-freedom, anti-civilization, anti-human and anti-America - not anti-war. Paid for and organized by what's left of communism in the world and fronted by paid professional liars (actors). Who is writing their scripts now?
. Some can be forgiven for being young and idealistic. Any over thirty have an agenda and it's not a good one. Those need to be exposed for what they are and hounded out of the country.
.bh.
:frown:

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Zepper
Typical of the clueless. The so-called anti-war posturing going on is anti-freedom, anti-civilization, anti-human and anti-America - not anti-war. Paid for and organized by what's left of communism in the world and fronted by paid professional liars (actors). Who is writing their scripts now?
. Some can be forgiven for being young and idealistic. Any over thirty have an agenda and it's not a good one. Those need to be exposed for what they are and hounded out of the country.
.bh.
:frown:

Well you certainly like to spout unfounded useless crap without anything to back it up don't you?

Let me try....

Zepper is typical of the clueless and his pro-war posturing is anti-freedom, anti-civilization, anti-human and anti-America and pro-death. Paid for and organized by what's left of fascism in the world and fronted by paid professional liars (corporations). He has an agenda and it's not a good one. He should be exposed for what he is and hounded out of the country.


Hey! That's both easy AND fun!

 

[Zepper]

Sure, Flavio et al, ad-hom is fun and easy. Try refuting my position with facts. Not so easy, huh?
. Save your self-important blather for someone who's interested.
.bh.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Zepper
Sure, Flavio et al, ad-hom is fun and easy. Try refuting my position with facts. Not so easy, huh?
. Save your self-important blather for someone who's interested.
.bh.

Since you just started without any facts whatsoever. Everything you said is just unsubstantiated excrement. Why would I be the one that needs facts?

Why don't you back up all your baseless accusations and paranoid delusions with facts? Not so easy huh?

<- edit: forgot to roll my eyes like all the people who don't have anything intelligent to say.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zepper
Sure, Flavio et al, ad-hom is fun and easy. Try refuting my position with facts. Not so easy, huh?
. Save your self-important blather for someone who's interested.
.bh.

Well since you don't present any facts, just mindless drivel there's nothing to refute.

You sound like an ignorant individual whose willing to support a cause not because you have faith in it, but because you were easilly caught up in the Nationalism that swept our nation after 9/11. This issue is one that needs to be analyzed by Americans if they want to have somewhat of an informed opinion because just listening to the crap slingers like Limbaugh on Right and Martin Sheen on the Left isn't going to really tell you what's at stake, not only for the world but for our own economy

 

[GRagland]

Originally posted by: Tabb
I still have yet to see intellegent anti-war protesters. They say its all about oil? Then prove it.

Bush has strong ties with the oil companies and him and his cronies have a lot to gain from this war. $$$

"The fundamental issue is, the day after Saddam is removed, the Iraqi oil industry is open for grabs, and it will depend upon the government of Iraq to decide how it will dispense that resource," says oil consultant Rob Sobhani, a professor at Georgetown University in Washington. "Certainly, American companies would be in a very, very strong position to compete for the right." - ABC News

Read these articles too:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/Nightline/NTL_oil_iraq_021004.html
http://in.news.yahoo.com/020923/43/1viab.html

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Hulk
Unfortunately, the anti-war protestors aren't that at all, they're actually anti-Bush protestors.

Nope, they're pretty much anti-war protestors. Although Bush is the one ramming the war down everyone's throat.

It's sad, they are scared and misguided.

Nope, they stand up for what they believe and you are misguided.

Not doing the right thing for fear of terroristic retaliation only begets more terrorism.

YOU CANNOT bow to terrorists in any way.

Nope, sometimes poking a stick in a hornets nest stirs up hornets. I think you also are attempting to erase the distiction between terrorists who have attacked our country and Iraq. I know that makes things easy for you, but you must start to be honest.

The protestors are scared and they are using the very system they WILL NOT FIGHT for to protect them. Sure, they'll mouth off using their right to free speech, but they won't actually DO ANYTHING to protect it.

Now somehow you have confused protecting our freedom with attacking a country in the middle east. If you want to protect our freedom then you should focus on getting rid of the Patriot Act.

You know what, I'm scared too, but NOT THAT scared. If I am called to fight for this country I will. I will not tarnish the names of all those that have died for freedom by being afraid to fight for it.

Good, and if this had anything to do with "fighting for our country" I'm sure alot more people would be with you.

My wife always asks me what she can do, that she feels helpless. I tell her that she can NOT feel afraid, THAT's what she can do! When you succumb to fear THEN you go out and protest.

Or maybe when you succumb to brainwashing you go along with corrupt politicians?

We fought for it during the Revolutionary war, we weren't attacked then, only taxed.

Nope, I'm pretty sure we were attacked on our own soil. You might want to check into that.

We fought for freedom during WWI.

We fought for freedom during WWII and we will fight now.

I noticed you skipped over Vietnam?

To stop this war, all Saddam needs to do is disarm completely and fully.

I'm not so convinced of that.

Fear not my cowering brothers and sisters in protest, we will protect you as we always have.

Or maybe those who stand up and protest will protect themselves and say the things you are afraid to think about.

Thanks Flavio

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
VFAA, you think this is about WMD. I think it's about taking over Iraq. I think the war was going to happen for many months now. It's how I read the signs.

Sounds like a good idea to me! I think that we should get rid of Saddam, replace him with some US-friendly puppet government, and then make them give us lots of cheap oil for "war reparations"! Not only would we have taken care of a dictator, but I won't have to spend $25 to fill my tank with premium gas anymore! 🙂

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: GRagland

Originally posted by: Tabb
I still have yet to see intellegent anti-war protesters. They say its all about oil? Then prove it.

Bush has strong ties with the oil companies and him and his cronies have a lot to gain from this war. $$$

"The fundamental issue is, the day after Saddam is removed, the Iraqi oil industry is open for grabs, and it will depend upon the government of Iraq to decide how it will dispense that resource," says oil consultant Rob Sobhani, a professor at Georgetown University in Washington. "Certainly, American companies would be in a very, very strong position to compete for the right." - ABC News

Read these articles too:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/Nightline/NTL_oil_iraq_021004.html
http://in.news.yahoo.com/020923/43/1viab.html

I dont understand. An worldwide increase in the supply of oil would hurt US oil companies, as it would lower oil prices. So the only way they could profit by this is to take over the Iraqi oilfileds and cap the wells. I really dont think they're gonna do that.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Could it be SATAN?