Just got a new Xbox 360

[Matt2]

So my modded 360 got the RRoD and I went out and got a new one with the HDMI port.

How do I tell if it is a 65nm Falcon? It is Team: FDOU, LOT: 0740.

On a different note, since this Xbox 360 has the HDMI port, will the Xbox 360 upconvert normal DVDs?

Thanks

 

[RandomFool]

I think you have to look through the back grill and see how many pipes there are, two is a falcon, three isn't.

 

[Sniper82]

From what I've gathered you can look on the same sticker as the lot and look for 203w or 175w. These mean what wattage the power brick is inside. If it says 203w there is a good chance for a old board(but upgraded GPU cooler). If it says 175w you are almost guaranteed a Falcon since they require less power now.

Although there has been reports of a Falcon with 203w power brick.

 

[JackBurton]

I believe Falcons are LOT 734 or higher.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: RandomFool
I think you have to look through the back grill and see how many pipes there are, two is a falcon, three isn't.

What do you mean by pipes?

Take a look at this comparison I pulled off the xbox forums

Notice how the launch box has the inductor rings standing up. When I shine a flashlight through the bottom, of my new one, I can see three inductor rings that are laying down. According to the above link, that would mean I have a Zephyr. BUT! Does the Falcon picture look like the caps right in front of the CPU heatsink are smaller than the ones to the right of the inductor rings? A visual examination of mine shows small caps to the ledt of the inductor rings and bigger ones to the right of the inductor rings.

So I'm confused. I know for sure it's not a launch box, but is it a Zephyr or a Falcon?

 

[Sniper82]

Its a Zephyr

The only almost guranteed way to get a Falcon at the store is if the box says GO PRO in green on the front and/or if it has 175w on the Lot/Team sticker.

Your just gambling with team and lot although higher the lot the better.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Sniper82
Its a Zephyr

The only almost guranteed way to get a Falcon at the store is if the box says GO PRO in green on the front and/or if it has 175w on the Lot/Team sticker.

Your just gambling with team and lot although higher the lot the better.

Yeah, I came to the conclusion it was a Zephyr too. I was really hoping for a Falcon, but at least its not a launch box right?

EDIT: ANy comments on whether or not the HDMI 360 upconverts?

 

[Sniper82]

Yeah you would have a HARD time finding a 360 with a launch board in it. The upgraded GPU cooler on the Zephyr will help alot. As for upconverts I've no idea.

 

[XBoxLPU]

http://www.anandtech.com/gadge...howdoc.aspx?i=3152&p=3

 

[randay]

i got my falcon over a month ago at bestbuy, it was a holiday bundle

lot #737
team FDOU
manuf. date 9-11-07
203w power brick.

 

[ghost recon88]

Any 360 with the HDMI output should upscale to at least 1080i. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-78...1314&messageID=2448816

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: randay
i got my falcon over a month ago at bestbuy, it was a holiday bundle

lot #737
team FDOU
manuf. date 9-11-07
203w power brick.

Wierd.

Mine is:

Team FDOU
Lot #0740
Manufactured 10-3-07
203w Power brick

all indications point to it being a Zephyr. I wonder why they're flip-flopping back and forth between 65nm and 90nm.

Maybe low 65nm yields?

Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Any 360 with the HDMI output should upscale to at least 1080i. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-78...1314&messageID=2448816

Thanks, that's good news. To my eyes, the Xbox 360 upconverts better than my Toshiba upconvert player.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: randay
i got my falcon over a month ago at bestbuy, it was a holiday bundle

lot #737
team FDOU
manuf. date 9-11-07
203w power brick.

Wierd.

Mine is:

Team FDOU
Lot #0740
Manufactured 10-3-07
203w Power brick

all indications point to it being a Zephyr. I wonder why they're flip-flopping back and forth between 65nm and 90nm.

Maybe low 65nm yields?

Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Any 360 with the HDMI output should upscale to at least 1080i. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-78...1314&messageID=2448816

Thanks, that's good news. To my eyes, the Xbox 360 upconverts better than my Toshiba upconvert player.

Im going to guess you have a falcon. there is also a third inductor visible on my xbox, the one right next to the corner of the heatsink. if you look too hard you might see all 3 and think that you have 3, when in actuality, you only have 2. I dont see any reason why they would go back to making zephyrs after switching over to falcons.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: randay
i got my falcon over a month ago at bestbuy, it was a holiday bundle

lot #737
team FDOU
manuf. date 9-11-07
203w power brick.

Wierd.

Mine is:

Team FDOU
Lot #0740
Manufactured 10-3-07
203w Power brick

all indications point to it being a Zephyr. I wonder why they're flip-flopping back and forth between 65nm and 90nm.

Maybe low 65nm yields?

Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Any 360 with the HDMI output should upscale to at least 1080i. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-78...1314&messageID=2448816

Thanks, that's good news. To my eyes, the Xbox 360 upconverts better than my Toshiba upconvert player.

Im going to guess you have a falcon. there is also a third inductor visible on my xbox, the one right next to the corner of the heatsink. if you look too hard you might see all 3 and think that you have 3, when in actuality, you only have 2. I dont see any reason why they would go back to making zephyrs after switching over to falcons.

Interesting. When you look through the bottom of your xbox do you see two large caps closest to the bottom of the console and then short caps just behind the inductor rings?

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: randay
i got my falcon over a month ago at bestbuy, it was a holiday bundle

lot #737
team FDOU
manuf. date 9-11-07
203w power brick.

Wierd.

Mine is:

Team FDOU
Lot #0740
Manufactured 10-3-07
203w Power brick

all indications point to it being a Zephyr. I wonder why they're flip-flopping back and forth between 65nm and 90nm.

Maybe low 65nm yields?

Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Any 360 with the HDMI output should upscale to at least 1080i. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-78...1314&messageID=2448816

Thanks, that's good news. To my eyes, the Xbox 360 upconverts better than my Toshiba upconvert player.

Im going to guess you have a falcon. there is also a third inductor visible on my xbox, the one right next to the corner of the heatsink. if you look too hard you might see all 3 and think that you have 3, when in actuality, you only have 2. I dont see any reason why they would go back to making zephyrs after switching over to falcons.

There not, they are pushing old stock out. They ain't gonna just throw the Zephyrs in the trash. They will push out every single part before going all Falcon. Thats why ATM we are seeing a mix of them. In the next month or two Zephyrs will be rare when buying new.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Sniper82
There not, they are pushing old stock out. They ain't gonna just throw the Zephyrs in the trash. They will push out every single part before going all Falcon. Thats why ATM we are seeing a mix of them. In the next month or two Zephyrs will be rare when buying new.

This is absolutely true, but then it begs the question of why a lot #0737 would be Falcon while a lot # 0740 would be Zephyr.

You'd think they'd sell all the Zephyr boards before dwitching to Falcon, not flip-flop back and forth.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Sniper82
There not, they are pushing old stock out. They ain't gonna just throw the Zephyrs in the trash. They will push out every single part before going all Falcon. Thats why ATM we are seeing a mix of them. In the next month or two Zephyrs will be rare when buying new.

This is absolutely true, but then it begs the question of why a lot #0737 would be Falcon while a lot # 0740 would be Zephyr.

You'd think they'd sell all the Zephyr boards before dwitching to Falcon, not flip-flop back and forth.

they're doin it just to fuck with us

 

[jpeyton]

It's warrantied for 3 years against RROD so you have nothing to worry about.

 

[getbush]

I'll try and clear it up a bit.
The most reliable way to tell is 2 inductors, or a 175w power brick. That is the only way for sure. If you have 3 inductors, it's a zephyr board, but think about this. You can put a lower power 65nm in a 90nm socket! So theoretically if MS ran out of 90nm cpus before zephyr boards, they could be sticking 65nm cpus in the leftover zephyr boards.
The lot number is hit or miss, but the higher the better. There are zephyrs with lot numbers higher than falcons though.
Team FDOU got falcons earlier, but still have later lot numbers with Zephyrs.
The best way to check inductors is to look through the bottom vent with a flashlight with one eye closed. you'll see the three, or two with a with ring on the pcb where a third would go.

I have a lot 739 CSON dated 10/3/07 that IS a falcon, only 2 inductors, no heatpipes, and has the older 203w power brick. It's the only one with those stats that I've seen. I got lucky.

this site was for people to post xbox information for which dvd drive they have, but people are putting falcon status in the comments http://www.360drives.com

 

[skillyho]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's warrantied for 3 years against RROD so you have nothing to worry about.

I thought it only had a 3-year warranty if the RRoD happened sometime in the first year warranty? I was persuaded that the 1-year comes standard, and you'll only be upgraded to 3-years if the nastyness comes. (So you would be screwed if you had the RRoD two years into it, for example.)

 

[getbush]

All 360s are warranted against general hardware failures (red ring of death) for 3 years. jpeytonn is right. What you are suggesting doesn't really make sense.

 

[getbush]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Sniper82
There not, they are pushing old stock out. They ain't gonna just throw the Zephyrs in the trash. They will push out every single part before going all Falcon. Thats why ATM we are seeing a mix of them. In the next month or two Zephyrs will be rare when buying new.

This is absolutely true, but then it begs the question of why a lot #0737 would be Falcon while a lot # 0740 would be Zephyr.

You'd think they'd sell all the Zephyr boards before switching to Falcon, not flip-flop back and forth.

Have you guys ever worked in manufacturing? You kind of act like there is one large linear manufacturing line somewhere that has raw materials at one end and finished 360s at the other. I don't know their details but really it's a lot more nebulous than than that. You have parts coming in different suppliers at different times, multiple multiple final assembly lines, etc. Obviously some lines were started on falcon parts while others were chosen to finish out the zephyr boards. Their lot numbering isn't specific enough or designed with differentiating between the two in mind, so machines from the different lines are incorporated into the same lots. It's just kind of random they they've done it but it's understandable why.

I'd just like to reiterate b/c no one else has commented on it, there is a theoretical possibility that there are zephyr boards with 65nm cpus installed in them. This could of happened if they ran out of 90nm CPUs before the zephyr boards. You can put a lower power 65nm on a zephyr board, but not the other way around. the falcon boards are a cost saving measure in a sense, they took off the extra unneeded power parts. Having a 65nm in a zephyr wouldn't be bad at all. It's just a theory though, I don't think we'll ever know, unless someone goes and rips the heat sinks off a large number of the last zephyr boards =)

 

[Yreka]

Just picked up a new Elite, the optical drive finally went out on my launch premium.

MFG 10-21-07
Lot 742
CSON
200w power adapter

Confirmed Falcon :thumbsup:

This thing is noticeably quieter, I think I also had a fan going out on the old premium, it was LOUD.

The other thing I noticed is the new unit puts out MUCH less heat than the old console. I have it sitting in a cubby on my entertainment center. Its home is basically a 3x3x3' cube with an open face in the cabinet. The old console used to heat that little space up to 80-90 degrees. After playing the new one for 4-5 hrs tonight it was just above room temp.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: skillyho

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's warrantied for 3 years against RROD so you have nothing to worry about.

I thought it only had a 3-year warranty if the RRoD happened sometime in the first year warranty? I was persuaded that the 1-year comes standard, and you'll only be upgraded to 3-years if the nastyness comes. (So you would be screwed if you had the RRoD two years into it, for example.)

Nope. But thanks for the thoughts.

 

[tuteja1986]

support the developer Matt :! Go buy masseffect so i we can see sequal. You know EA , if they game don't sell over 1million copy , then the game is doomed ;(