Just down the road a sign on a trailer should.....

[NoStateofMind]

Strike fear into the hearts of Congressional members so they know their time is limited if they do not enforce what the people want or uphold the Constitution as they swore to do. Keep doing so until only those who uphold our values get a second term.

 

[BoomerD]

Strike fear into the hearts of Congressional members so they know their time is limited if they do not enforce what the people want or uphold the Constitution as they swore to do. Keep doing so until only those who uphold our values get a second term.

That sounds good...and probably makes people feel good...but the sad reality is that they don't work for US, they work for the corporations who have all the money.

 

[StageLeft]

That sounds good...and probably makes people feel good...but the sad reality is that they don't work for US, they work for the corporations who have all the money.

this

 

[BoberFett]

Most voters are brain dead morons who just check the R or D column all the way down. They probably couldn't even tell you who the incumbent is.

Put a fork in the US. It's done.

 

[Moonbeam]

this

Your congressman is a fuck head, mine is great<<<<<----- THIS

 

[First]

lmao.

 

[Lemon law]

Your congressman is a fuck head, mine is great<<<<<----- THIS

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No Moonbeam, your congressman, Senator, and President sucks and so does mine. But when it comes to throw the incumbent rascal out, does it really matter? The lobbyist with the money will as quickly bribe the new guy as they did the old guy. Money is free speech.

So please adopt the Lemon Law Yoga Zen plan of acquiring the sufficient physical dexterity to accomplish anal cranial inversion. That way we can all bend down and kiss our own asses goodbye.

Mr. Lobbyist's coal train done hauled us away.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Your congressman is a fuck head, mine is great<<<<<----- THIS

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No Moonbeam, your congressman, Senator, and President sucks and so does mine. But when it comes to throw the incumbent rascal out, does it really matter? The lobbyist with the money will as quickly bribe the new guy as they did the old guy. Money is free speech.

So please adopt the Lemon Law Yoga Zen plan of acquiring the sufficient physical dexterity to accomplish anal cranial inversion. That way we can all bend down and kiss our own asses goodbye.

Mr. Lobbyist's coal train done hauled us away.

Your congressman is a fuck head, mine is great<<<<<----- THIS There will be no incumbents.

 

[cubby1223]

Most voters are brain dead morons who just check the R or D column all the way down. They probably couldn't even tell you who the incumbent is.

Put a fork in the US. It's done.

Then you have others like me who are informed on a lot of things, yet have never registered to vote So suck it forum progressives who blame me for fucking up this country by putting Republicans in power - I've never voted for a single one of them

 

[DrPizza]

70&#37; of the people believe it's everyone else's incumbent who sucks. 30% of the time, they vote their own bum out of office.

 

[Craig234]

'Vote the bums out' is the plan of the idiot, who will get bad people every time.

When the system itself is set up so that the monied interests get to be the only ones who can practically fund the front runners, it nearly guarantees that every 'new' politician when the old one is 'voted out' will be just bad or worse, and really a high turnover plays into the hands of the 'special interests', creating politicians who owe them more then the public, and being likely short-timers anyway, so why not say 'screw the public', instead of having politicians who get a stronger public support and can support them more.

What's more needed is to fix the defects in the democratic system - the role of money both directly in campaigns as well as backing certain think tanks and media (I'm not talking about interfering in free speech, but in looking for other measures to help address the harms - for example, are tax exemptions being abused, and supporting better think tanks and media as citizens)

That's the more difficult approach that can improve our politicians, but the easy approach that doesn't work is the 'vote the bums out' rage.

Threatening to 'vote the bums out' can have some good effect - but not when it's used for the wrong reasons.

Look at the sign - 'vote every incumbent out' - there are people radically different in Congress from Bernie Sanders to JimDeMint - are they all bad? Who exactly is 'good' that is different from both Sanders and DeMint, what are they looking for? What they're really doing is just trying to feel like they have some power (which they should have), but actually playing into the hands of the people who have the power instead.

They don't understand why they are getting politicians with other priorities. Hint, getting elected costs millions of dollars now. How are they supposed to get that?

If the people themselves would organize and donate - they'd get what they want, but that's the last thing most citizens are willing to do.

Trying to prevent that is why many of us suspect the tea party in large part is the same special interests trying to do that organizing themselves and prevent it from happening without them, to take these people out of the game from participating in other grass roots movements that might actually do some good.

A group like moveon.org largely does try to do something like this and has some small effect, and notice how they're demonized by the right-wing interests.

 

[nick1985]

So Alvin Greene should get elected?

 

[NoStateofMind]

'Vote the bums out' is the plan of the idiot, who will get bad people every time.

When the system itself is set up so that the monied interests get to be the only ones who can practically fund the front runners, it nearly guarantees that every 'new' politician when the old one is 'voted out' will be just bad or worse, and really a high turnover plays into the hands of the 'special interests', creating politicians who owe them more then the public, and being likely short-timers anyway, so why not say 'screw the public', instead of having politicians who get a stronger public support and can support them more.

What's more needed is to fix the defects in the democratic system - the role of money both directly in campaigns as well as backing certain think tanks and media (I'm not talking about interfering in free speech, but in looking for other measures to help address the harms - for example, are tax exemptions being abused, and supporting better think tanks and media as citizens)

That's the more difficult approach that can improve our politicians, but the easy approach that doesn't work is the 'vote the bums out' rage.

Threatening to 'vote the bums out' can have some good effect - but not when it's used for the wrong reasons.

Look at the sign - 'vote every incumbent out' - there are people radically different in Congress from Bernie Sanders to JimDeMint - are they all bad? Who exactly is 'good' that is different from both Sanders and DeMint, what are they looking for? What they're really doing is just trying to feel like they have some power (which they should have), but actually playing into the hands of the people who have the power instead.

They don't understand why they are getting politicians with other priorities. Hint, getting elected costs millions of dollars now. How are they supposed to get that?

If the people themselves would organize and donate - they'd get what they want, but that's the last thing most citizens are willing to do.

Trying to prevent that is why many of us suspect the tea party in large part is the same special interests trying to do that organizing themselves and prevent it from happening without them, to take these people out of the game from participating in other grass roots movements that might actually do some good.

A group like moveon.org largely does try to do something like this and has some small effect, and notice how they're demonized by the right-wing interests.

Just a couple of things to point out.

1. If you look closely it does say 'all', but just above it in red letters it says 'most'.

2. By your logic we should be happy with what we have, correct?. Just tuck our tails and run?

3. The 'people organizing' has happened and is happening, at this very moment there are more and more people recognizing that Congress has failed us, even more-so than any President.

It does not take someone with a college degree to see that if Congressional members vote on bills before reading, have closed door meetings (which really means 'what do your constituents want for a yes vote') , retroactive immunities, bank bailouts and continued record spending, just to name a few, that they are out of touch with America.

Yes, those who have been comfortably sitting in their prestigious positions listening to the highest bidding lobbyist has a number on his back. No its not the amount of money he's going to make. Its the number of days he has left in office.

Should we allow those who have been corrupted or are now in-corruption to stay their current path? I say NO! There has to be a consequence for poorly representing those who chose you to represent them. Keeping them in office won't do that. Kicking their ass out on the street will.

 

[BoomerD]

Just a couple of things to point out.

1. If you look closely it does say 'all', but just above it in red letters it says 'most'.

2. By your logic we should be happy with what we have, correct?. Just tuck our tails and run?

3. The 'people organizing' has happened and is happening, at this very moment there are more and more people recognizing that Congress has failed us, even more-so than any President.

It does not take someone with a college degree to see that if Congressional members vote on bills before reading, have closed door meetings (which really means 'what do your constituents want for a yes vote') , retroactive immunities, bank bailouts and continued record spending, just to name a few, that they are out of touch with America.

Yes, those who have been comfortably sitting in their prestigious positions listening to the highest bidding lobbyist has a number on his back. No its not the amount of money he's going to make. Its the number of days he has left in office.

Should we allow those who have been corrupted or are now in-corruption to stay their current path? I say NO! There has to be a consequence for poorly representing those who chose you to represent them. Keeping them in office won't do that. Kicking their ass out on the street will.

Gawd...all that sounds great...if it only worked that way...

Throwing the current batch of bums out only makes way for new bums. The corporations and their lobbyists spread so much money around that even someone who was honest before they were elected, soon becomes just as corrupted as the ones you threw out...only perhaps a bit less wise in the ways of the political arena.

The US political game...the best money can (and does) buy.

 

[CallMeJoe]

So Alvin Greene should get elected?

As much as I hate to admit it, there are worse alternatives to Senator DeMented.

Not much worse, but they do exist.

 

[manimal]

Most voters are brain dead morons who just check the R or D column all the way down. They probably couldn't even tell you who the incumbent is.

Put a fork in the US. It's done.

ever thought about going somewhere else? I have lived in 8 different countries and chose the us to raise my family. If you truly feel this way then go ahead and leave your drivel wont be missed...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Gawd...all that sounds great...if it only worked that way...

Throwing the current batch of bums out only makes way for new bums. The corporations and their lobbyists spread so much money around that even someone who was honest before they were elected, soon becomes just as corrupted as the ones you threw out...only perhaps a bit less wise in the ways of the political arena.

The US political game...the best money can (and does) buy.

But Boomer, isn't that the way its supposed to work? I mean if we cannot make headway through our votes, whats left?

 

[shira]

The beauty of the anti-incumbent crowd is all the highly-specific, practical, and practicable reforms the non-incumbents are offering. Why, I just shiver with anticipation when I read "smaller government." Imagine that!!

With highly workable ideas like that one, how can we lose?

 

[Craig234]

But Boomer, isn't that the way its supposed to work? I mean if we cannot make headway through our votes, whats left?

What's more needed is to fix the defects in the democratic system - the role of money both directly in campaigns as well as backing certain think tanks and media (I'm not talking about interfering in free speech, but in looking for other measures to help address the harms - for example, are tax exemptions being abused, and supporting better think tanks and media as citizens)

That's the more difficult approach that can improve our politicians, but the easy approach that doesn't work is the 'vote the bums out' rage...

If the people themselves would organize and donate - they'd get what they want, but that's the last thing most citizens are willing to do.

Repeated.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Repeated.

Oh, the old 'if you can't beat them join them' adage? You are proposing we 'lobby' our own government and concede the destruction of our democratic process? If you are correct then we need more than money to return this country to it's former self.

Donations have been done and by the millions. The dirty name Ron Paul comes to mind with the Tea Party money bomb which subsequently was hijacked by the republican party. That's been tried and failed/absorbed. What makes you think it will work? It seems as though everyone now thinks that voting means nothing and changes very little in the end. Maybe that's true, but IMO we cannot abondon what little power we have.

 

[BoberFett]

ever thought about going somewhere else? I have lived in 8 different countries and chose the us to raise my family. If you truly feel this way then go ahead and leave your drivel wont be missed...

I'm going to stick around and vote for Michelle Bachmann just to piss you off you pathetic piece of pheces.

 

[umbrella39]

That sounds good...and probably makes people feel good...but the sad reality is that they don't work for US, they work for the corporations who have all the money.

And now more and more big business people are trying to get into government and simply cut out the middle man. One need look no further than Michigan for proof. DeVos/Amway ran for governor in Michigan 4 years ago and now Snyder/Gateway this year. The common man if mute anymore.

 

[Modelworks]

If only that would fix things.
No matter who is elected it doesn't matter. Even the best of intentioned politicians will become tainted once they go to Washington. It is the viral nature of that city where any politician that enters is infected like the plague. You have to take out the whole city at one time , leaving just a few of them in office will cause the infection to spread again.

 

[Craig234]

Oh, the old 'if you can't beat them join them' adage? You are proposing we 'lobby' our own government and concede the destruction of our democratic process? If you are correct then we need more than money to return this country to it's former self.

Donations have been done and by the millions. The dirty name Ron Paul comes to mind with the Tea Party money bomb which subsequently was hijacked by the republican party. That's been tried and failed/absorbed. What makes you think it will work? It seems as though everyone now thinks that voting means nothing and changes very little in the end. Maybe that's true, but IMO we cannot abondon what little power we have.

Sorry, I can't make sense of your post. What it sounds like you're saying about what I posted sounds wrong, and your last sentence sounds agreeable, but I'm not sure.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Strike fear into the hearts of Congressional members so they know their time is limited if they do not enforce what the people want ..

if Congressional members vote on bills before reading, have closed door meetings (which really means 'what do your constituents want for a yes vote')..

So which is it? Should they start "enforcing what the people want" or stop "doing what their constituents want for a yes vote?"