Just donated for the first time to Obama/Biden

[Obsoleet]

So I made my first political contribution this cycle, outside of the money/work I put towards Ron Paul's campaign to save the GOP.

They are doing a thing where if you're a first-time donor, a previous donor has pledged to match your donation. I couldn't turn this down as I believe that Obama has the best judgment to be commander in chief. I trust him and Joe Biden to not be maniacs or pledge a 100 year occupation of the middle east.

I'd invite the right wingers of this forum to join me in supporting Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Obama has the judgement and fortitude for a great President and Joe Biden is one of the few who has a plan to remove us from the middle east.
A great video of Joe demonstrating more knowledge than the President or any of his boys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA

If the right wing doesn't support me, I hope you sign yourselves up for the war, and your children too so that my cousin doesn't have to go back over there and die in that war.. It's time to be honest and quit being chickenhawks, or man up to your rhetoric, as you cheer on my family's death promoting your war. If you believe in the war, believe in world police, you're going to have to die for it. Can't have it both ways unless you live as a chickenhawk.

 

[nageov3t]

if there's one thing Obama needs to win in November, it's more money :thumbsup:

 

[jpeyton]

:thumbsup:

Great post. A lot of people have become first time donors and first time volunteers for Obama's campaign; it just really demonstrates how well his message resonates with the average American voter, and how motivated we are to get him into The White House.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup:

Great post. A lot of people have become first time donors and first time volunteers for Obama's campaign; it just really demonstrates how well his message resonates with the average American voter, and how motivated we are to get him into The White House.

Thanks. Regarding your signature jpeyton. I was having a political discussion at work, and I facetiously stated how "I heard the fundamentals of our economy are strong". And a coworker replied, "I think they are". He starting talking about manufacturing and so forth. Instead of getting into that nitty gritty I simply asked him, "is America's chief export the US dollar?", needless to say he thought about it for a moment, agreed and that was that. 🙂

We were talking about who was responsible for the economic downturns during given presidency's and I let the guys know that when you increase the size of the federal government 3-4x like Bush has, and borrow trillions for overseas wars, print more money out of thin air, you are going to have a devastating impact on the economy.
That ended that conversation as well.

You can lead a neocon to reason, but he has no response for concise, reasonable logic. Not even a bible quote can save one from that. 😛

 

[TechAZ]

I don't understand how a Ron Paul supporter could vote for BO.

I'm not being callous when I say this...but people who sign up for the military sign up for anything and anywhere the military takes them, no matter what the reasons. You don't get to pick and choose and hope that it's something that you personally agree with. That's how it works, you are a killing machine and you have targets...that is all. Sure there might be some personal conflict going on in your head, but you signed up to kill and destroy targets....it's the ONLY thing the military does.

All that talk of Chickenhawks...you cannot possibly say that McCain is a chickenhawk.

If you're voting on war and war only, then that's your right...but don't be so naive as to think BO is going to be a peace loving hippy in the unstable world. He might not be as aggressive as a McCain presidency, but he will use force in the Middle East and elsewhere. You can take that to the bank.

 

[Mani]

Good for you dude, welcome to the club.
Cheers :beer:

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
I don't understand how a Ron Paul supporter could vote for BO.

Deciding that the lives of innocent arabs and our troops are worth more than ideology. It's called decency in my book.

I'm not being callous when I say this...but people who sign up for the military sign up for anything and anywhere the military takes them, no matter what the reasons. You don't get to pick and choose and hope that it's something that you personally agree with. That's how it works, you are a killing machine and you have targets...that is all. Sure there might be some personal conflict going on in your head, but you signed up to kill and destroy targets....it's the ONLY thing the military does.

That doesnt make it right to use, abuse and overstretch the military.. simply because they "signed up for it". I respect our men and women in uniform and they need to be treated with the respect they deserve. Better pay, better medical care, an enhanced GI bill like Jim Webb had to shove down the GOP's throat. I'm tired of traitors in the GOP waving a flag and calling it patriotism.

What they really signed up for, is to defend the Constitution. Of which they aren't doing at all.

All that talk of Chickenhawks...you cannot possibly say that McCain is a chickenhawk.

If you're voting on war and war only, then that's your right...but don't be so naive as to think BO is going to be a peace loving hippy in the unstable world. He might not be as aggressive as a McCain presidency, but he will use force in the Middle East and elsewhere. You can take that to the bank.

We should use force in the mideast. To get those who attacked us on 9/11. That's what Obama wants to do. The job that Bush chose not to pursue, instead adopting anti-American policies like pre-emptive war.
It's a shame in a country where many people won't vote for the "black muslim" Obama, he will be the one to bring home our enemy in chains.

Chickenhawk doesn't apply to McCain himself, just nearly all of his supporters. Look at his model for President, George Bush, surrounded by chickenhawks. Many of whom will fill a McCane WhiteHouse as we continue the same failed policies.

The problem with McCane is that he thinks this Vietnam, is one he's gonna make sure we "win". I hope he feels like he won something when his boy comes home in a box.

Voting to stop blood from being on American hands, and losing more Americans in this war is not a "single issue" vote. It might be if it's not your neck on the line.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
If the right wing doesn't support me, I hope you sign yourselves up for the war, and your children too so that my cousin doesn't have to go back over there and die in that war.. It's time to be honest and quit being chickenhawks, or man up to your rhetoric, as you cheer on my family's death promoting your war. If you believe in the war, believe in world police, you're going to have to die for it. Can't have it both ways unless you live as a chickenhawk.

But the Democrats wanted to see US loses in the war and sacrificed soldiers and allies to do so. They called soldiers Nazi's and butchers etc. Heck Al Qaeda was quoting Democratic comgressmen's rants against the troops. They tried to humiliate Turkey with genocide resolutions to disrupt relations with get a good ally in the region and hinder the war effort. The corrupt and dyspeptic gas bag Murtha used propaganda furnished by the enemy to urge fakse charges against soldiers.

After after supporting the war whole hog the Dems tuned on their own as soon as the insugency started. The enemy took great enthusiasm from this. Of course there was the whol General Betrayus fiasco conjued up by the Marxist left working as its own insurgency
within the Dem party.

I didn't like the war as it started. It was weird to start a war while our own borders were wide open. However I could never support traitors like the Dems. The Democratic Party crossed the line from mere opposition to undermining a war in progress. Now we find out that BO even tried to stall trop draw-down. You wasted your money on the enemy within.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
But the Democrats wanted to see US loses in the war and sacrificed soldiers and allies to do so. They called soldiers Nazi's and butchers etc. Heck Al Qaeda was quoting Democratic comgressmen's rants against the troops. They tried to humiliate Turkey with genocide resolutions to disrupt relations with get a good ally in the region and hinder the ar effort. The corrupt and dyspeptic gas bag Murtha used propaganda furnished by the enemy to urge fakse charges against soldiers.

After after supporting the war whole hog the Dems tuned on their own as soon as the insugency started. The enemy took great enthusiasm from this. Of course there was the whol General Betrayus fiasco conjued up by the Marxist left working as its own insurgency
within the Dem party.

I didn't like the war as it started. It was weird to start a war while our own borders were wide open. However I could never support traitors like the Dems. The Democratic Party crossed the line from mere opposition to undermining a war in progress. Now we find out that BO even tried to stall trop draw-down. You wasted your money on the enemy within.

Fox News.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: Butterbean
But the Democrats wanted to see US loses in the war and sacrificed soldiers and allies to do so. They called soldiers Nazi's and butchers etc. Heck Al Qaeda was quoting Democratic comgressmen's rants against the troops. They tried to humiliate Turkey with genocide resolutions to disrupt relations with get a good ally in the region and hinder the ar effort. The corrupt and dyspeptic gas bag Murtha used propaganda furnished by the enemy to urge fakse charges against soldiers.

After after supporting the war whole hog the Dems tuned on their own as soon as the insugency started. The enemy took great enthusiasm from this. Of course there was the whol General Betrayus fiasco conjued up by the Marxist left working as its own insurgency
within the Dem party.

I didn't like the war as it started. It was weird to start a war while our own borders were wide open. However I could never support traitors like the Dems. The Democratic Party crossed the line from mere opposition to undermining a war in progress. Now we find out that BO even tried to stall trop draw-down. You wasted your money on the enemy within.

Fox News.

Alll a person had to do was watch Dems on C-Span. Nodody with sense even needed a secondary source. Murtha may as well dropped bombs on troops himself.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

But the Democrats wanted to see US loses in the war and sacrificed soldiers and allies to do so.

You're lyiing.

Heck Al Qaeda was quoting Democratic comgressmen's rants against the troops.

Then Bush shouldn't do things like approve torture and recklessly imprison thousands of innocents that are so helpful to Al Queda to talk about.

You expect Democrats to lie to the public about the truth? I guess so, since you approve of Republicans lying.

However I could never support traitors like the Dems.

Back at ya.

 

[Mani]

Guys, anyone who says democrats want to see our soldiers die is a troll, nothing less. Don't feed it.

 

[trenchfoot]

On the subject of OP contributing to Obama: good for you, so did I, with more to follow. I too am putting $$$ into the Obama campaign to in part secure a better future for my kids.

On the subject of PROTECTING OUR TROOPS FROM GETTING KILLED AND MAIMED FOR PROFIT, which is to me a whole lot more important than "winning" a war started BY, OF and FOR the exclusive benefit of exploitive corporate profiteers: Quote from Karate Kid: "Best way to avoid punch is not be there". Especially since we shouldn't be there (Iraq) in the first place. Afghanistan>YES. Iraq>NO WAY.

This BS neocon propaganda about spreading democracy through preemptive wars is only half of the agenda that the neocons are pursuing. They always leave out the part that says " for morbid fun and obscene profits".

Since when is it OK to use our military as a private army for ransacking and plundering the resources of a soverign nation that did not attack us first?

Since when is it OK to fund wars on credit?

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
So I made my first political contribution this cycle, outside of the money/work I put towards Ron Paul's campaign to save the GOP.

They are doing a thing where if you're a first-time donor, a previous donor has pledged to match your donation. I couldn't turn this down as I believe that Obama has the best judgment to be commander in chief. I trust him and Joe Biden to not be maniacs or pledge a 100 year occupation of the middle east.

I'd invite the right wingers of this forum to join me in supporting Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Obama has the judgement and fortitude for a great President and Joe Biden is one of the few who has a plan to remove us from the middle east.
A great video of Joe demonstrating more knowledge than the President or any of his boys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA

If the right wing doesn't support me, I hope you sign yourselves up for the war, and your children too so that my cousin doesn't have to go back over there and die in that war.. It's time to be honest and quit being chickenhawks, or man up to your rhetoric, as you cheer on my family's death promoting your war. If you believe in the war, believe in world police, you're going to have to die for it. Can't have it both ways unless you live as a chickenhawk.

3 Cheers for Obsoleet :beer:

 

[lupi]

I went to the gas station tuesday, which a detailed post about that event is just about as relevant to this forum as another schmuck posting just to say he donated to some campaign.

Originally posted by: Mani
Guys, anyone who says democrats want to see our soldiers die is a troll, nothing less. Don't feed it.

Yeah, I guessd that means everyone will be calling JP a troll since he's done it several times.

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: lupi


I went to the gas station tuesday, which a detailed post about that event is just about as relevant to this forum as another schmuck posting just to say he donated to some campaign.

Originally posted by: Mani
Guys, anyone who says democrats want to see our soldiers die is a troll, nothing less. Don't feed it.

Yeah, I guessd that means everyone will be calling JP a troll since he's done it several times.

So why take the time and keystrokes to reply? Partisan hacks hate it when common sense prevails.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
I don't understand how a Ron Paul supporter could vote for BO.

I do. It is guys like him and a couple LP supporters I know personally who are also voting for Obama that make me think there is still some decent reason left within the LP and maybe the majority of them have not all turned into libertopians. Let us hope so. I am not an LP supporter, but I don't think the ideas which they support are all bad either...when being supported by people with the right kind of mind.

 

[nageov3t]

is the war in Iraq even an issue anymore? I thought we signed an agreement or whatever saying that we'd be out by 2011, conditions on the ground permitting, which isn't a whole lot different than either Obama's or McCain's plans.

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: loki8481
is the war in Iraq even an issue anymore? I thought we signed an agreement or whatever saying that we'd be out by 2011, conditions on the ground permitting, which isn't a whole lot different than either Obama's or McCain's plans.

I think the war itself is not as much of the issue as is the Bush Doctorine. I think what people are affraid of is the NEXT unnecessary war that might get started if Bush Doctorine believers are allowed to keep power.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
So why take the time and keystrokes to reply?

I don't know, I wouldn't want to speak for you.

Partisan hacks hate it when common sense prevails.

Tell me about it, the number of palin and poll threads alone show that.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: TechAZ
I don't understand how a Ron Paul supporter could vote for BO.

I do. It is guys like him and a couple LP supporters I know personally who are also voting for Obama that make me think there is still some decent reason left within the LP and maybe the majority of them have not all turned into libertopians. Let us hope so. I am not an LP supporter, but I don't think the ideas which they support are all bad either...when being supported by people with the right kind of mind.

I was a GOP member previously. I just don't see much conservative about McCain or Bush at all. They talked a good talk in 2000 though.

It was all lies though. Now, instead of being ideological (I'd lean libertarian) I'm being pragmatic. Lives are worth more than money, everytime. I also believe in the bible where it says to treat others as I'd like to be treated, this applies for me to foreign policy and domestic. So that means I've got to vote for Obama.

I'm now no longer a registered Republican, but a registered Independent. Just changed right around the time Susan Eisenhower switched.
http://www.colbertnation.com/t...enhower-endorses-obama

Enough is enough. Republicans and independents across the country are joining the Obama movement with me.

 

[Blackjack200]

Obsoleet, you inspired me. I just donated $100 to the Obama Campaign. First time I've ever donated to a political campaign.

I don't think they're still doing the matching contribution thing from existing contributors since I didn't see it on the site or in my thank-you email... but I'll match the next user in this thread who donates $100 to the campaign.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: TechAZ
I don't understand how a Ron Paul supporter could vote for BO.

I do. It is guys like him and a couple LP supporters I know personally who are also voting for Obama that make me think there is still some decent reason left within the LP and maybe the majority of them have not all turned into libertopians. Let us hope so. I am not an LP supporter, but I don't think the ideas which they support are all bad either...when being supported by people with the right kind of mind.

I was a GOP member previously. I just don't see much conservative about McCain or Bush at all. They talked a good talk in 2000 though.

It was all lies though. Now, instead of being ideological (I'd lean libertarian) I'm being pragmatic. Lives are worth more than money, everytime. I also believe in the bible where it says to treat others as I'd like to be treated, this applies for me to foreign policy and domestic. So that means I've got to vote for Obama.

I'm now no longer a registered Republican, but a registered Independent. Just changed right around the time Susan Eisenhower switched.
http://www.colbertnation.com/t...enhower-endorses-obama

Enough is enough. Republicans and independents across the country are joining the Obama movement with me.

No you were not. You wouldn't do a 180 on your views and vote for Obama if you truly held the ideals that you stated you liked from Bush 8 years ago. You may not agree with McCain on everything, neither do I, but if you truly hold real republican views then there is no way you could vote for Obama and be happy about it, no way.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
No you were not. You wouldn't do a 180 on your views and vote for Obama if you truly held the ideals that you stated you liked from Bush 8 years ago. You may not agree with McCain on everything, neither do I, but if you truly hold real republican views then there is no way you could vote for Obama and be happy about it, no way.

I'm glad you posted this.

Yes, I voted for Bush. I was a member of the College Republicans at my alma mater.

This is who I voted for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc
It almost breaks my heart to watch that video. It should for any real Republican as well. Bush/McCain will go down as sad men in the history books.

So tell me, what is so Republican about the Bush regime of today, or McCain, who not only supports this aggression, but also the welfare state and warfare state.

I'm ready to start turning back the direction we've been going in, which will take a long time to reverse. I'm ready to start making the changes necessary, to save our lives and stop squandering everything American's have fought and worked so hard for these past few centuries we've been around.
I decided to reexamine my ideologies after waking up one day about a year ago, looking around at the value of the dollar, the subsequently related increases in the price of food and fuel. The sickening doctrine of preemptive warfare, and the precedent it allows to be opened up for nations like China and Russia to do the same.
We've gained nothing in these past 8 years, yet we haven't even succeeded in stopping Al Qaeda or killing Osama Bin Laden. It's simply disgraceful. I've had enough.

I've come to the conclusion that ideas from both the left and right can work domestically, if implemented in a fashion beneficial to the average American. We have not had policies created with that in mind the past 8 years.

My previous fears of a godless universal healthcare state is absolutely nothing compared to the thought of losing my family in an anti-American war. Being pragmatic instead of ideological, I'll take Obama's welfare state over McCain's fervent support for the military industrial complex, warfare state and welfare state anyday.

Worst comes to worst, we give health insurance to an impoverished child. If that's the greatest fear facing conservatives voting for Obama, then I'm supporting Obama 100%.
That's just being moral and a good christian man, to support that. Money isn't everything, not even close.

Examining the issues with a fair and unbiased mind, the forces opposing Bush/McCain are right. For example climate change. It's manmade. It's amazing the ignorance people have on this issue, when it's in black and white on George Bush's EPA website.
I'll admit that I like to breathe. It's ridiculous that I didn't take the time to educate myself on that subject earlier than I did.

We've let the GOP squander, a historic opportunity for American prosperity and peace in the world after the USSR fell. Instead of being benevolent, we've become bully's and I will not give up on this country or it's people that I love so much.

So be careful before you start accusing me of flip flopping. I never left the GOP, the Republican party left me.

My only apologies is that I didn't wake up sooner. I've done many wrong things in my life, but my greatest regret is voting for George Bush, and I've been atoning for that through my activism for Ron Paul and Barack Obama. McCain has to be stopped or the GOP platform will forever be neoconservative. We'll also see the Democrats abandoning positions outside of neoconservatism in their foreign policy.

I donated $100, and I'll be ratcheting up my donations every week or two. I'll be voting absentee this election because I have to travel to Europe for work during that time.

I'm for the people, all the people. Bush and McCain abandoned the middle class. They've suffered under the last 8 years of Bush/McCain. Bush and McCain are directly responsible through deregulation and massive inflation thru war loans in squeezing the savings out of every American without them even seeing it go (besides the obvious rise in higher prices).

As I said, I believe ideas from both the left and right can work if done in the best interest of the people. We've let the GOP run wild for the past 8 years, it's time to let the Left govern and see how they do.

The GOP blew their chance. I think only a fool would allow it to continue.
As far as Republican ideals, the GOP is ideologically bankrupt after 8 years of Bush / McCain. While they haven't sold out on as many levels as the GOP has in selling their soul for power, the Left does hold credibility. And above all else, they still hold their morality, humanity, and compassion.

This is what I support.

 

[DomS]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
So I made my first political contribution this cycle, outside of the money/work I put towards Ron Paul's campaign to save the GOP.

They are doing a thing where if you're a first-time donor, a previous donor has pledged to match your donation. I couldn't turn this down as I believe that Obama has the best judgment to be commander in chief. I trust him and Joe Biden to not be maniacs or pledge a 100 year occupation of the middle east.

I'd invite the right wingers of this forum to join me in supporting Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Obama has the judgement and fortitude for a great President and Joe Biden is one of the few who has a plan to remove us from the middle east.
A great video of Joe demonstrating more knowledge than the President or any of his boys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA

If the right wing doesn't support me, I hope you sign yourselves up for the war, and your children too so that my cousin doesn't have to go back over there and die in that war.. It's time to be honest and quit being chickenhawks, or man up to your rhetoric, as you cheer on my family's death promoting your war. If you believe in the war, believe in world police, you're going to have to die for it. Can't have it both ways unless you live as a chickenhawk.

Casualties are at their lowest since the start of this thing. We withdraw suddenly then it's back to turmoil over there. We shouldn't have gone int he first place, but now that we have, we don't have a choice. We HAVE to stay.