Just Curious... how much has the illegal problem in California has contributed to their economic fall out?

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: fornax

Originally posted by: shira
Again, this report doesn't indicate how much illegals pay into the system.

In many, many cases, state income axes are withheld from the pay of illegals, but they don't file tax returns and don't get valid refunds.

How exactly, do you think, income tax (state and federal) is withheld from workers without SSNs and how is it remitted? Do you see UFOs over your house every evening too?

Without a SSN, someone could get an individual taxpayer identification number and pay taxes with that. Illegals have also been known to falsify SSNs or to steal them. In those cases, taxes would be withheld and it's likely no return would be filed.

If the employer is paying employees under the table, this is a problem regardless of immigration status.

Actually, I know tons of illegals and you know how they get around this? They declare 20 dependents. You are dreaming if you think that they claim zero dependents or something. The idead that just because they don't file a return the goverment is somehow financially benefitting from it is ludicrous........

 

[L00PY]

So they declare 20 dependents, never file a return, and never get audited, year after year. And this company that they work for, somehow has 20 employees, each claiming 20 dependents and this isn't a problem. That would pop up a red flag the minute those W-4s got filed.

Funny how this works just for illegal immigrants. If a US citizen were to try this, how long do you think it'd take before the IRS stepped in and tracked this down?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: L00PY
So they declare 20 dependents, never file a return, and never get audited, year after year. And this company that they work for, somehow has 20 employees, each claiming 20 dependents and this isn't a problem. That would pop up a red flag the minute those W-4s got filed.

Funny how this works just for illegal immigrants. If a US citizen were to try this, how long do you think it'd take before the IRS stepped in and tracked this down?

You're joking, right? What your analysis really tells you is that Jmman's story is full of holes, not that American citizens are somehow discriminated against.

 

[BoomerD]

Hell, I worked construction most of my life, and it was common for folks to claim 9 or 10 dependents...I've even done it myself a few times.

Once upon a time, it automatically drew unwanted attention from the IRS, but not in recent years...now the Kahleeforneeya FTB on the other hand...as soon as the number hits 10 or greater...you'd better be ready to prove those dependents.

BUT, I agree that many illegals are finding lots of ways to avoid actually paying into the income tax system...and using phony social security numbers to do so.

 

[MadRat]

I have a feeling the ass hats that built their retirement funds on the backs of illegals and that have now had to shift it onto the backs of our kids are to blame. All hail the baby boomers.

 

[jpeyton]

Just make them legal and collect the tax revenue.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just make them legal and collect the tax revenue.

Ha from what income? Minimum wage?

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: MadRat
I have a feeling the ass hats that built their retirement funds on the backs of illegals and that have now had to shift it onto the backs of our kids are to blame. All hail the baby boomers.

This. We should tax them. I'm serious. Tax them for their SS and Medicare that I'm not going to see any of, yet will be paying all my life for.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just make them legal and collect the tax revenue.

Ha from what income? Minimum wage?

Sure. Minimum wage income is still taxed.

 

[eternalone]

Exactly just make them legal, California was Mexican land anyway, also the Mexicans that come here to work are mostly Native American people, so they deserve to be here since this was their land before it was ours. There, the problem is solved, easier than I thought.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

This article may be of interest to readers of this thread:

"Octamom", Immigration, and California's Crisis

 

[fornax]

Don't you have to fill in their SSNs or taxpayer IDs?

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Hell, I worked construction most of my life, and it was common for folks to claim 9 or 10 dependents...I've even done it myself a few times.

Once upon a time, it automatically drew unwanted attention from the IRS, but not in recent years...now the Kahleeforneeya FTB on the other hand...as soon as the number hits 10 or greater...you'd better be ready to prove those dependents.

BUT, I agree that many illegals are finding lots of ways to avoid actually paying into the income tax system...and using phony social security numbers to do so.

 

[spacejamz]

to finally end this debate of the impact how much the illegals are paying into the system, why don't we just kick them out and see what happens in a year or two?

it's not like the situation can get any worse, can it???

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

to finally end this debate of the impact how much the illegals are paying into the system, why don't we just kick them out and see what happens in a year or two?

it's not like the situation can get any worse, can it???

Kick'em out. Labor costs increase in multiple industries. Prices go up a lot. Those who were barely staying off of welfare style social services are now on them thanks to price increases essentially replacing many if not all of those illegals who were previously abusing the system. Everyone else pays higher prices too.

At least, that is one possibility. Life in general for America could actually get worse overall when viewed from a day to day perspective. Who knows?

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: eternalone
Exactly just make them legal, California was Mexican land anyway, also the Mexicans that come here to work are mostly Native American people, so they deserve to be here since this was their land before it was ours. There, the problem is solved, easier than I thought.

Save the fact that California was Mexican for only 20 years and a leftover of Spanish (European) conquests. Under this logic Mexicans are still interlopers and California should be returned to the Indians. Hispanics and Indian's are distinct races, if you doubt it go to Mexico and see how the Hispanics treat the indigenous people. It makes Americans look generous.

In short, this line or rationale is pointless.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: spacejamz

to finally end this debate of the impact how much the illegals are paying into the system, why don't we just kick them out and see what happens in a year or two?

it's not like the situation can get any worse, can it???

Kick'em out. Labor costs increase in multiple industries. Prices go up a lot. Those who were barely staying off of welfare style social services are now on them thanks to price increases essentially replacing many if not all of those illegals who were previously abusing the system. Everyone else pays higher prices too.

At least, that is one possibility. Life in general for America could actually get worse overall when viewed from a day to day perspective. Who knows?

i guess we should keep the status quo since the California's budget is doing so well then...

maybe we should own up to the actual prices that the product should have cost???

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: spacejamz

to finally end this debate of the impact how much the illegals are paying into the system, why don't we just kick them out and see what happens in a year or two?

it's not like the situation can get any worse, can it???

Kick'em out. Labor costs increase in multiple industries. Prices go up a lot. Those who were barely staying off of welfare style social services are now on them thanks to price increases essentially replacing many if not all of those illegals who were previously abusing the system. Everyone else pays higher prices too.

At least, that is one possibility. Life in general for America could actually get worse overall when viewed from a day to day perspective. Who knows?

i guess we should keep the status quo since the California's budget is doing so well then...

maybe we should own up to the actual prices that the product should have cost???

I already posted on what I think we should really do earlier in the thread so you may reference it for details. To make a long story short, what you want will never be permitted to happen. I have no interest in debating about whether or not it "should" happen because I believe I would be debating till the day I die. Nothing would change and the problem would just grow. Instead, I prefer to go down a road where things actually get better slowly but surely.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Xavier434Kick'em out. Labor costs increase in multiple industries. Prices go up a lot. Those who were barely staying off of welfare style social services are now on them thanks to price increases essentially replacing many if not all of those illegals who were previously abusing the system. Everyone else pays higher prices too.

At least, that is one possibility. Life in general for America could actually get worse overall when viewed from a day to day perspective. Who knows?

Front-end costs for certain goods and services might increase, but what about the large decreases to the hordes of invisible back-end costs that you so easily ignored?