Just Bought A PS3 Last Night

[eits]

until i found out that it's just a 40gb console with an 80gb hdd... 2 usb ports and no backwards compatibility.

fuck that, son!

what's the likelihood of there being some kind of flash in the near future for all of the people sony pissed off to allow for backwards compatibility?

 

[aphex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...#Retail_configurations

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: aphex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...#Retail_configurations

what am i supposed to look at here? you didn't really answer my question.

 

[Queasy]

Probably slim to none. Sony is trying to get the PS3 to profitability. Therefore, their efforts won't likely be toward adding software backwards compatibility which is time consuming and costly.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Probably slim to none. Sony is trying to get the PS3 to profitability. Therefore, their efforts won't likely be toward adding software backwards compatibility which is time consuming and costly.

what're the odds of there being silent hill remakes for ps3?

 

[mugs]

Yeah man... it was pretty obvious when they released the second 80 GB model that it was going to cause confusion. Pretty dumb move on their part. Don't count on that model ever getting BC, because there are hardware differences between the BC and non-BC models. All of the BC models have been discontinued.

 

[Dumac]

I'm so glad I grabbed the 60gb model back when it was out...

 

[Dumac]

EDIT: First double post...

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: mugs
All of the BC models have been discontinued.

I read that only a percentage of the games were backwards compatible anyhow...plus, the PS3s were having hardware problems similar to the 360's release issues. I'm not sure what design flaws there were, but I'm assuming it's overheating and poor quality in the components (ie. capacitors)

The best advice is to move on. The PS3 is capable of so much more than playing old games. Shop around for a new favorite. I have only used my 360 to play a couple of Xbox games....honestly, they look so bad compared to the 360 versions, I don't know why anyone would care about the older games in their collection.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: eits
what's the likelihood of there being some kind of flash in the near future for all of the people sony pissed off to allow for backwards compatibility?

Zero. If you wanted BC I'm afraid you needed to buy the MGS4 bundle 80GB version.

Chances long-term are very slim. If it was easy to do it in software they wouldn't supposedly still be using one of the two PS2 chips for the BC in the 80 GB (though all the sources saying so are second-hand).

It seems more likely at this point that either or both of these will happen:

1. Sony could write a library and per-game code like MS does for xbox-1 games, but they'd probably only do this to sell the games as DLC.

2. If the PS2 hardware gets cost-reduced enough it might reappear in the next 45nm die shrink & redesign of the PS3. Cost of the PS2 hardware was reported as around $23 for the near-full BC in the 20GB & 60GB, it'd probably drop to $5-6 by then

But I'd say the odds of both are low.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: mugs
All of the BC models have been discontinued.

I read that only a percentage of the games were backwards compatible anyhow...plus, the PS3s were having hardware problems similar to the 360's release issues. I'm not sure what design flaws there were, but I'm assuming it's overheating and poor quality in the components (ie. capacitors)

The best advice is to move on. The PS3 is capable of so much more than playing old games. Shop around for a new favorite. I have only used my 360 to play a couple of Xbox games....honestly, they look so bad compared to the 360 versions, I don't know why anyone would care about the older games in their collection.

I play RPGs, and Atlus still puts out a good amount of JRPGS and SRPGS. On top of that, there have been so many released for the PS2 that I probably won't have played through all the ones I want to for at least a few more years.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: mugs
All of the BC models have been discontinued.

I read that only a percentage of the games were backwards compatible anyhow...plus, the PS3s were having hardware problems similar to the 360's release issues. I'm not sure what design flaws there were, but I'm assuming it's overheating and poor quality in the components (ie. capacitors)

The best advice is to move on. The PS3 is capable of so much more than playing old games. Shop around for a new favorite. I have only used my 360 to play a couple of Xbox games....honestly, they look so bad compared to the 360 versions, I don't know why anyone would care about the older games in their collection.

There are still good games being released for the PS2. And honestly, have you never fired up an excellent old game when the current ones just aren't cutting it? Do graphics really hinder your enjoyment of old, but great, games that much?

On a related note, I just started getting my classic Zelda on by replaying LttP and OoT.

 

[sourceninja]

Are there any good ps2 emulators yet?

 

[Dari]

Why not just get a cheap/used PS2?

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: Dari
Why not just get a cheap/used PS2?

Because, compared to the PS3:
1. It's one more thing that's got to be cabled up to your TV/receiver and take up room in your entertainment center.
2. It doesn't upscale.
3. It doesn't use HDMI.
4. It requires physical memory cards.
5. It's another set of wired controllers to deal with.

I bought a used 60gb model from Gamestop for like $450, and I still don't regret it. There are a ton of JRPGs still coming out on the PS2, and, statistically, the stuff being released now is the stuff that's going to be the most valuable in coming years.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: eits
what're the odds of there being silent hill remakes for ps3?

I'm surprised no one has pointed this out to you yet... but your PS3 should play Silent Hill 1 just fine. People throw around the term "non-BC" way too loosely when talking about the PS3 and it has led to confusion over and over. ALL PS3 models play PS1 games the same as PS1 BC is handled purely through software in all models.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Dari
Why not just get a cheap/used PS2?

i already have one... i just don't want it cluttering up my entertainment area. also, i don't want to have to buy an hdmi converter cable for ps2 to hdtv. so, for now, we're just using it in our bedroom as a dvd player.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: eits
what're the odds of there being silent hill remakes for ps3?

I'm surprised no one has pointed this out to you yet... but your PS3 should play Silent Hill 1 just fine. People throw around the term "non-BC" way too loosely when talking about the PS3 and it has led to confusion over and over. ALL PS3 models play PS1 games the same as PS1 BC is handled purely through software in all models.

yeah, but who wants to play shitty graphics these days? they need to remake it... imagine how much money they'd make!

 

[jlmadyson]

BC has been out for awhile and probably will be for the rest of this gen.

 

[StageLeft]

Friends don't let friends play last-gen on current-gen hardware. Just say no.

The chart here though is pure comedy. What a complete mess. PS3 fail.

And honestly, have you never fired up an excellent old game when the current ones just aren't cutting it? Do graphics really hinder your enjoyment of old, but great, games that much?

For me they absolutely do. Old games to me are like loading up Nirvana as if it's 1993 and pretending I want to hear it. I just can't.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: eits
what's the likelihood of there being some kind of flash in the near future for all of the people sony pissed off to allow for backwards compatibility?

Zero. If you wanted BC I'm afraid you needed to buy the MGS4 bundle 80GB version.

Chances long-term are very slim. If it was easy to do it in software they wouldn't supposedly still be using one of the two PS2 chips for the BC in the 80 GB (though all the sources saying so are second-hand).

It seems more likely at this point that either or both of these will happen:

1. Sony could write a library and per-game code like MS does for xbox-1 games, but they'd probably only do this to sell the games as DLC.

2. If the PS2 hardware gets cost-reduced enough it might reappear in the next 45nm die shrink & redesign of the PS3. Cost of the PS2 hardware was reported as around $23 for the near-full BC in the 20GB & 60GB, it'd probably drop to $5-6 by then

But I'd say the odds of both are low.

AFAIK, the MGS4 80GB version used only software emulation for backwards compatibility. Only the original 60GB version had a hardware PS2 chip inside.

I find it really bizarre that Sony already had software backwards compatibility, and then nixed it in the newer PS3's. I really think it was a stupid move on their part. How much more would it have added to the cost?

 

[Piuc2020]

If you are so desperate to play PS2 games slims are only 129.99 and are sometimes bundled with extra goodies.

I have my PS3 set up alongside my PS2 and it works great except that PS2 games look like crap on a 1080p display but that's to be expected

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: eits
what's the likelihood of there being some kind of flash in the near future for all of the people sony pissed off to allow for backwards compatibility?

Zero. If you wanted BC I'm afraid you needed to buy the MGS4 bundle 80GB version.

Chances long-term are very slim. If it was easy to do it in software they wouldn't supposedly still be using one of the two PS2 chips for the BC in the 80 GB (though all the sources saying so are second-hand).

It seems more likely at this point that either or both of these will happen:

1. Sony could write a library and per-game code like MS does for xbox-1 games, but they'd probably only do this to sell the games as DLC.

2. If the PS2 hardware gets cost-reduced enough it might reappear in the next 45nm die shrink & redesign of the PS3. Cost of the PS2 hardware was reported as around $23 for the near-full BC in the 20GB & 60GB, it'd probably drop to $5-6 by then

But I'd say the odds of both are low.

AFAIK, the MGS4 80GB version used only software emulation for backwards compatibility. Only the original 60GB version had a hardware PS2 chip inside.

I find it really bizarre that Sony already had software backwards compatibility, and then nixed it in the newer PS3's. I really think it was a stupid move on their part. How much more would it have added to the cost?

It was partial software and partial hardware in the 80 GB. The 60 GB had both the GPU and the CPU from the PS2; the 80 GB apparently had one or the other, but not both (I don't know which it had).

 

[biggestmuff]

Just wait until after Christmas. There'll be many more of these threads.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Friends don't let friends play last-gen on current-gen hardware. Just say no.

The chart here though is pure comedy. What a complete mess. PS3 fail.

And honestly, have you never fired up an excellent old game when the current ones just aren't cutting it? Do graphics really hinder your enjoyment of old, but great, games that much?

For me they absolutely do. Old games to me are like loading up Nirvana as if it's 1993 and pretending I want to hear it. I just can't.

Well to each their own. I will revisit a game if it was good. Graphics mean nothing when you have an engaging story line and awesome gameplay.