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Just bought a 3570k/ z77 extreme 4, it came bundled with dissapointment.

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Dratsab said:
Well there are multiple studies done on the on the topic of happiness and what it is related to. Purely material goods are not going to make you happy in the long run. Read a very short and informal literature review here.

Basically a dollar spent on an experience will get get more happiness than a dollar spent on material goods.

So back to my point, before overclocking was severely limited to just multipliers and memory, one had spend countless hours tweaking a wide variety of settings to get the max OC your chip can handle.

That was were I derived the majority of my pleasure, that " I just got an extra 100mhz my mixing my own blood with mx4 but it must be done at hitler's grave at exactly 11.05.03pm" followed by " Never mind my system is spiting out errors left & right and claiming all Jews must die!

Now its, "I just booted up my new build for the first time and I am just 200mhz away for the max OC of 4.5ghz"

The only thrills left in overclocking now are in the high end water or LN2 builds which is way more money than I intend to spend. So the "experience" part of owning a new build has become a severe whore which shows all its cards at the mere mention of voltage. Very boring.
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You could always take up lapping heatspreaders and cooler bottoms as something to do to eke out that last bit of overclock without having to go "high end water or LN2." Ask Idontcare for more info. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2181357
 
Dratsab said:
So the "experience" part of owning a new build has become a severe whore which shows all its cards at the mere mention of voltage. Very boring.
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Buy an Intel k CPU with unlocked multi and crazy overclocking headroom and that is what you are going to get.

If you want less boring then buy a non-k chip and slave away trying to get that puppy to overclock. You'll have soldering irons out and scraped knuckles in no time.

Or you could go for an AMD zambezi chip and give yourself less overclocking headroom (and a higher thermal budget to master) and see where you can go with that.

It is like skiing, you have to pick your ski run difficulty to ensure you are enjoying the skiing while at the same time not overwhelming yourself. If you are a beginner then go for the bunny slopes, the easiest overclock on the planet, and get an Intel k-chip. Either the 2500k or the 3570k.

If you up for more of a challenge then you pick the diamond runs, be prepared to take a few spills, but get your fun factor met.

If you go from mastering the diamond runs 10 yrs ago to the sliding down bunny slopes today then you should expect to be bored. Why are you on the bunny slopes?
 
This is starting to sound more and more like a troll thread. Starting to doubt if the OP even ownes an IB. I mean, who gets upset that a CPU is easy to OC?

So if you really own one and you're genuinely bummed at its (ease of) overclockabikity then why stop at wherever it is you stopped? It gets harder the higher you go so keep pushing until you're happy with the effort it requires.
 
2is said:
This is starting to sound more and more like a troll thread. Starting to doubt if the OP even ownes an IB. I mean, who gets upset that a CPU is easy to OC?

So if you really own one and you're genuinely bummed at its (ease of) overclockabikity then why stop at wherever it is you stopped? It gets harder the higher you go so keep pushing until you're happy with the effort it requires.
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Right coz anyone who pays money for anything must immediately love it, or risk being called a troll. Or that someone who buys a Ferrari must love his car's semiautomatic transmission and should never go back to stick.

On a positive note, I have been using Abby finereader for converting pdf documents to the odt format for upload to the cloud and the boost in reading speed almost makes up for my initial cynical outlook on the 3570k. So maybe its just a case of adjusting my habits and letting the computer take over in certain tasks.

I guess the point that I was making was the computing in general needs some laterally designed apps to take advantage of speed. The cloud takes care of almost everything. I have even stopped using Microsoft office and switched fully to google docs.

I wish I could virtualize a slew of operating systems on this new rig so that everyone in my family does not need to upgrade their core 2 duos.
Something like a local cloud server that does all the heavy lifting. Any programs to recommend for that?


Example ,I always had this idea that i could run demanding games on my system while playing the game through VNC on my mobile phone. Certain cloud gaming options are currently available, but is there any do-it-yourself open sourced versions of the software? Open source VNC tends to stream videos running on my main rig very choppily. SO that is another application I would be keen to upgrade for !
 
Don Karnage said:
Have you ever ran DDR3 2400 memory? I went from DDR3 2133 to 2400 to 2800 and it was a huge difference in response.
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I agree, benches don't show such stuff. Myself noticed diff with such ram changes, though that was ddr2 667 to ddr2 800 but the difference was huge except in fps, but huge in the gaming experience
 
aaksheytalwar said:
I agree, benches don't show such stuff. Myself noticed diff with such ram changes, though that was ddr2 667 to ddr2 800 but the difference was huge except in fps, but huge in the gaming experience
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I ran a dekstop with 1066Mhz DDR3 CL9 2x4GB RAM. Upgraded to 2133Mhz at CL10 2x4GB noticed 0 difference, to see if it was just me I got my friends rig over and compared them side by side (he had 1333mhz at CL9). Still nothing noticeable outside our GPU (5770 vs. 5850).

Since then I stopped giving a crap about RAM speeds.
 
That makes no sense, a LOWER not HIGHER resolution would improve gaming performance.

Depending on the game and the settings you run, once you hit the wall for your graphics card a faster cpu often will not do much.

SLI or a new graphics card would play faster.

I have a I7920@3.5 and see nothing on the horizon that will give me the WOW. Not Sandy core not Ivy and probably not haswell.

They are getting much better in power consumption.


Shmee said:
well, It may be that your resolution isn't high enough for you to notice a large performance difference. However, you should notice better performance at least in storage benches and sequential transfers with native sata 6 on your new board.

Besides that, may be time to upgrade your monitor, that will make it necessary to upgrade the video card 😀
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Dratsab said:
My mobo of the old system of a q6600@ 3.3ghz / msi p45 neo 3-fr/ 4gb ram passed away while burning in on occt linpack.

Instead of searching for a used mobo around the forum. I decide to pull the trigger and go all out.

This was after I researched about the possible benefits. I managed to tabulate the opinion of many forum members and the general consensus was that I should notice a significant improvement in most areas of computing.

So I got a 3570k @ 4.3ghz / z77 extreme 4 /16 gb 1600mhz ram.

My gpu of a 560ti 1gb and 2 corsair SSD 60gb raided was carried forward.

However other than a small improvement in BF3 @ 1680 x 1050, i did not notice much else.(Benchmark figures do not mean much to me)

What should I have done different .

Is there all there is to modern computing.I feel that i should expect more for all the money I spent on this system.

Has computing hit a wall in terms of desktop user benefits?

Any help with this cognitive dissonance I am going through will be appreciated.
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In my opinion the #1 investment in your computer should be your display. I am continually amazed by people that spend 1000's of $$$ (not you, just in general) on GPU's and systems and pair it with a trash 23" TN panel. You're doing a little worse with a 1680 resolution display.

Get a 27" IPS or samsung PLS panel with 2560 resolution and gain a new appreciation for well....everything. For me the best upgrades that I have done in recent years were:

1) My first SSD with OS installed on it
2) IPS panels with 2560 resolution.

These both have done more for my computing experience than anything else.
 
Don Karnage said:
What video card are you running? Also why is everyone so obsessed with slow memory? Buy some ddr3 2400
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Real world difference between DDR 1600 and 2400 is so small you wouldn't really notice unless you benched all day.

To the OP I think your video card is what limits you and maybe that's what you need.
 
blackened23 said:
In my opinion the #1 investment in your computer should be your display. I am continually amazed by people that spend 1000's of $$$ (not you, just in general) on GPU's and systems and pair it with a trash 23" TN panel. You're doing a little worse with a 1680 resolution display.

Get a 27" IPS or samsung PLS panel with 2560 resolution and gain a new appreciation for well....everything. For me the best upgrades that I have done in recent years were:

1) My first SSD with OS installed on it
2) IPS panels with 2560 resolution.

These both have done more for my computing experience than anything else.
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Well the expensive GPUs are for performance. Kind of makes sense to pair it with a TN panel since they typically have lower response time and less input lag. Then there's the 120Hz aspect.
 
Dratsab said:
Has computing hit a wall in terms of desktop user benefits?
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The only wall is that AMD is not competitive so intel is bothering to improve much. And patent laws forbid other companies from competing in the market.
And both are focusing more on power consumption then performance.

However other than a small improvement in BF3 @ 1680 x 1050
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If you want better FPS you need a better GPU. Faster CPU is for faster productivity. File extraction/compression, word, excel, loading programs, dozens of tabs concurrently in a browser, photo/video manip, etc.
 
blackened23 said:
In my opinion the #1 investment in your computer should be your display. I am continually amazed by people that spend 1000's of $$$ (not you, just in general) on GPU's and systems and pair it with a trash 23" TN panel. You're doing a little worse with a 1680 resolution display.

Get a 27" IPS or samsung PLS panel with 2560 resolution and gain a new appreciation for well....everything. For me the best upgrades that I have done in recent years were:

1) My first SSD with OS installed on it
2) IPS panels with 2560 resolution.

These both have done more for my computing experience than anything else.
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My insatiable appetite for taking things for granted or getting used to things.
Things lose its thrills really fast for me, like in days. So investment is alot higher than return.

SSDs are awesome, but as u can see I chase that initial high of speed like a crack addict and bought a 2nd , 2nd-gen sandforce drive 1 month after I lost my SSD virginity.

SO an upgrade in visuals, would do the same, pretty soon I will be living in streets with a 42 inch 4k display,quad SLI 680 system begging for loose change. " Sir penny for a scene render ! "

This is compounded with the fact that I have shallow pockets.

Since this image of me in the streets with a High end desktop is awesome I might as well go all the way and become a crack addicted pornstar who edits his own videos.

www.singaporeandogfartporn.com ( IDC heres hoping u would be my top customer)
 
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