Here Toyota Exec earns less than 1 mil
And Here "Even before this auto sales meltdown, the Japanese automaker?s top ten execs earned less money COMBINED than Ford?s Alan Mulally, Chrysler?s Bob Nardelli and GM?s Rick Wagoner (individually)"
It states all the Toyota Execs total earn $40.5 million. I think I misquoted it should've been the top 10 (oops my bad, I'll own up to it) (Skulks in corner with dunce cap)
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Pouring steel for 40 years sounds like a mindless task for someone who wishes to take the easy road. I had to pay for my own training/education by way of college and I have to continue to pay and work for my training because I don't sit back and do mindless factory work.
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In other words,
You went into debt to be a person with no skill in actually producing anything, it is not looking good for this country.
you seem to have quite the anti-intellectual and anti-progressive ideas. maybe the 1800's would have suited you better. come to think of it, wtf are you doing on the internet?
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Uhh, yeah, actually producing something to sell is the downfall of our economy.
If you haven't noticed, outsourcing our industry and training our workers to be cubicle zombies has been a fail for us.
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Nothing anti-intellectual or anti-progressive about actually having something to show for your WORK.
Guess you are trying to show that good 21st century hard-working American spirit you hear so much about.
No wonder we are known as lazy fatasses worldwide.
How can you even have a valid opinion on trade when you have no idea how trade theory works? Keep digging that ignoramus hole.
How many hours have you spent working in the manufacturing industry which allows you to make such a statement in some sort of credible and educated fashion?
...or are you just blowing smoke because you have some kind of superiority complex over them?
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I spent the better part of 12 years between a tour in the US Navy and another 7 years working full time as a electricain/maintenance mechanic to put myself into a "superiority complex" by getting an MIS degree. One job I worked where they did plastic extrustion for the medical and airline industries and the other was making styrofoam cups.
Is that good enough for you?
I stand by my opinion on factory work.
That justifies your experience, but not a superiority complex which is nothing but counter productive. You have the right to your opinion about what is and isn't a mindless job, but do you equate what you consider mindless work to less important work? Personally, I think that the manufacturing of aluminum and copper materials is incredibly crucial to this country considering how much we use it. That is by far more important than say developing the next state of the art HDTV even though that task is far more complex and requires the minds of great electrical engineers amongst other things.
Besides, manufacturing jobs are the only thing many of these people know. Many of these workers have no other skills and they do not have a military career to back them up which might help them with financial aid to go to college. What would you have these people do? Get laid off thanks to automation only to find no other work and resorting to crime or social services in order to make ends meet for their families? That sounds really expensive and pointless. I don't want to hold up progress, but how many people's lives do we have to crush in order to do it? Where is the line drawn and why?
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In the end it is your opinion, some men like using their hands and creating things, some like to sit behind a desk and kiss ass.
Both jobs are necessary, but in the long term I would much rather have a skilled US workforce who can actually produce things, fix their own stuff (it is sad how few young men I know have any clue how to repair their own cars/washing machines/etc. never poured concrete, layed a brick, painted a house) in case or economy ever went sour we are not going to climb our way back up to the top with interior decorators or middle management. These folks will probably starve to death while attending a meeting on how not to starve or what color accents the wheel that a useful person had to reinvent for them.
Yea, keep thinking like cavemen. I'm sorry but it takes about an hour to learn how to mix concrete, lay a brick or paint a house, but it takes many years to learn how to be an engineer, etc.
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Wow, I thought there was some ignorance here, but you take the cake.
A few hours to learn a trade? If you even had the slightest clue you would know that concrete for example includes quite a bit of engineering on the fly to calculate load balancing for structures, correct mix, pressures on foundation/load carrying, how to deal with water tables if working below the surface, ventilation for larger structures underground, safety. You do not even know, please quit embarrassing yourself.
The only thing you are going to know how to do in a few hours is screw up a garden path in your yard, god help us if you actually had to build something that lasts for a 80 years that people would live/work in day in day out.
lol you just proved my fucking point. You think brick layers understand the engineering part of the trade? The engineers tell the brick layers what to do and brick layers just fucking lay brick. That's why they call it unskilled labor.
Manufacturing in the US is a bad use of resource. Americans are developed enough that they can move on to doing more sophisticated things and leave the manufacturing to emerging countries.
Once again, you fail at trade theory.
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What is with the cursing? You are sounding quite childish at this point.
Tradesman do understand this part.
Bricklaying is not unskilled labor, maybe the guy who carrys the bricks, but that is manual labor. A bricklayer needs to know many jobs at once.
I do not know if you are thinking about some temp employee on site to carry stuff around, you have no clue what being a professional entails though obviously.
Just curious, since we are using masonary as an example, have you ever DONE this work? Ever known a actual tradesman?
Yo do realize that one part of these jobs is just part of it also, you need to know carpentry, engineering/architecture, have knowledge of basic geography of the area and what is underground and how soils interact.
Like I said, just stop. The white collar/blue argument collar does nothing but divide the workers anyhow, shouldn't have brought it up.
I'm glad you think the illegal mexican day laborer is skilled labor. Why stop outsourcing to just outside the US? Why don't you go learn to farm and knit clothes. That way you don't have to outsource your food and clothing to other Americans trades you can do on your own.
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Some of those illegals are far more intelligent then a lot of US born kids the same age, quite a few do not even work and live at home I know of.
At least these guys know trades and how to fix something if it needs to be done.
Elitist much? You really are coming off like a child calling someone a caveman for knowing a actual trade and working.
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