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Going to have to curse here, but you are FOS. Doing this will not work long term, it weakens us in many other ways besides not having our own manufacturing base not to mention trade imbalances.
Going to have to curse here, but you are FOS. Doing this will not work long term, it weakens us in many other ways besides not having our own manufacturing base not to mention trade imbalances.
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You are welcome to add me to your ignore list, I would rather not have half a page of your insults, profanity and tantrums when having a adult discussion.
Good day to you.
Fern
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While you don't say so explicitly, I assume you are referring to the Big 3 automakers.
I also think you mean to say "I am fine with a LOAN to be paid back TO US taxpayers.
But otherwise I think your whole premise is flawed. If there is a bailout of the automakers it will be because of the unions' political infuence, so I see no way automakers will move plants overseas. Regardless, I don't think they would move overseas anyway. If there was a valid business purpose (increased profits) they would have done it already and the foreign automakers (e.g., Toyota, BMW etc) wouldn't have established manufacturing plants here.
If you're referring to suppliers, making them replace foreign suppliers with domestic ones might have a short-term *feel good* aspect to it, but I see little prospects for any long-term benefit.
And in the short term, the Big 3 will be burdened with higher supply costs putting them at a disadvantage to the other automakers - something they don't need more of. Then, after the loan agreement expires they'll just dump the new domestic suppliers (another bailout?) and go back to the cheaper foreign suppliers.
Fern
You are your Republican radicals are the bad use of resources in America.
Take your "resources" and leave.
He is right though. There is nothing wrong with working on computers at an office job. Office workers produce quite a bit for the service economy. Without engineers, accountants, etc .. then it would not be possible to manufacture anything and the economy wouldn't work. The technology to build stuff would never come about. The poster he is arguing with is making neanderthal statements that show obvious ignorance and lack of education.
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I do not follow your logic that Japan building plants here to bypass union wages is not a reason that the big 3 would do so also in another country.
Unions are not the whole picture here, the fact that the companies have a failed business model (management) is the main cause imo.
Good post though, although I disagree on your union blaming. Thanks, I have a lot more to learn on this subject.
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I am not saying that white collar jobs are not important to the economy overall, but it is not long term sustainable to rely solely on such. Also service jobs are much easier to outsource in the race to the bottom.
It's been going that way for awhile. I won't pretend to know the long term outcome of our move to a service economy. But as long as there are developing countries that can manufacture for less, those jobs will get pushed that way.
It's not just manufacturing, though. India is getting a lot of software development and IT work. It wouldn't suprise me also, given the move to international accounting standards, if most accounting work was also outsourced to the cheapest qualified country.
Part of the irrationality of people's reactions stems from a lack of understanding of globalism and how this benefits America. It's harder to quantify us vs. them when we are all intertwined. But most economists will tell you its better for the world economy. Outsourcing any type of job is just part of that process. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't (outsourcing of HR departments is an example of a failed experiment).
Kirby
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Of course there is nothing wrong with working on computers at an office job. That's what I do for a living. And there is nothing wrong with laying brick for a living. You can go to school for 4 or 5 years and be an engineer, but there is no way I'd let someone who had only been laying brick for that amount of time to do my house.
Anyone who thinks that they can lay brick after 1 hour is a certified dumbass, and probably has never worked with their hands. Just because you work in the "labor" industry does not necessarily mean that you're less intelligent or even less educated.
Sorry, I helped my dad build his house back in high school along with illegal mexican day laborers. It wasn't rocket science. I required no training.
On the other hand it took my dad months to draw the plans to the house, develop a plan, contract it, 6 years of architectural school, and years of experience in industry.
It wasn't that difficult to drive to home depot, pick up 4 mexicans, pay them $10/hr to follow instructions from my dad who can't even speak engrish that well (not to mention the laborers).
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