Jury duty, part II

[sillymofo]

This is not flame bait, just an attempt at coherent and intelligent discussion and defending my locked thread of last night. (Jury duty, part I)

I generally like to bitch about shiets, even while doing it. I think it makes things a little more tolerable and depends on how you're bitching about it, it could be humorous and enjoyable about the shiets that you'd have to do.

As for the people that think their "worth" to society is measured by how many posts or how "useful" or "witty" they are on a message board, they really need to re-evaluate their selfworth in the "real" society. To really think about what have they contributed to society, therefore earn them the right to bitch at shiets. Take voting for example, if you voted, then you've earned your right to bitch about shiets when things don't turn out as you've hoped; otherwise, STFU, right? I think that by serving in the military, or law enforcement agency, any citizen has earned them the right to be waived from petty services such as jury duty, becase there are plenty out there that have not done a damn thing to and for this country. I pay my taxes, perhaps more than half of you guys on this board, and yes, I do bitch about it when I have to pay it, but I do pay. Then there are those of you who would tell me to suck it up, when some don't even make as much as I'd have to pay in taxes, do you see where I'm going with this? It doesn't really balance out, because the way I look at it, I've done more, pay more, yet I'm still have obligated to the same shiets as some one else that haven't or won't be able to do, or contribute to the REAL society. So I think a case of STFU is in order for those who tends to disagree with me (you can disagree with me here, because it's your right).

I'm not above the law, don't get me wrong, all I'm saying, in conclusion, is that there should be a check and balance society. Just like when you do bad shiets, you're punished; why can't we have a rewards system for those that have done good?

 

No offense cr4zymofo, but that does not look to me like a coherent and intelligent discussion, it appears that you are upset at the outcome and are ranting about it now.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Roger
No offense cr4zymofo, but that does not look to me like a coherent and intelligent discussion, it appears that you are upset at the outcome and are ranting about it now.

Well, that's as coherent as I'm allowed myself to be, here.

But doesn't it make sense?

 

[GasX]

And anyone talking about "doing shiets" can't be taken seriously enough to be worth having a discussion over anything with...

 

But doesn't it make sense?

I don't know, I didn't get past the first sentence, the STFU in the middle of your rant kept popping up in my mind

 

[Amused]

Good job. You broke both my grammar bone AND my intelligence bone in one post.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Amused
Good job. You broke both my grammar bone AND my intelligence bone in one post.

Damn, you guys are quick, where's the rest of the squad?

 

[Fingolfin269]

I don't even know my own name anymore.

 

[Jzero]

The irony here is that the US Constitution mentions serving on a jury, but not paying federal taxes, IIRC.

But no, it's already too easy to stack a jury full of nitwits. Allowing people to "buy" out of Jury duty would only make matters worse.

 

[ggavinmoss]

This isn't elementary school. You shouldn't need an incentive to do the right thing.

If you put more and more restrictions on who shouldn't serve jury duty you'll end up with a jury pool more ignorant than it is today -- by no means a jury of your or my peers. Even if it's not convenient, while the jury system exists as it does people should take it more seriously in my opinion. It's good karma just in case you are involved with some litigation.

-geoff

 

[Vic]

I've only been called to jury duty once in my life, back in 2000, and I loved it. I was a self-employed contractor at the time and, under my state laws, could have gotten out of it because of that, but instead just made sure that they put me on a short 3 day trial.
It was really fascinating to see that legal system from behind the scenes so to speak, to watch it all work.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Vic
I've only been called to jury duty once in my life, back in 2000, and I loved it. I was a self-employed contractor at the time and, under my state laws, could have gotten out of it because of that, but instead just made sure that they put me on a short 3 day trial.
It was really fascinating to see that legal system from behind the scenes so to speak, to watch it all work.

Similar think happened to me around the same time. On my birthday, no less. I thought the experience was great. Put a crackhead, coke dealer behind bars for 40 years (it ends up being about 7 years with good behaviour and such). oops, I'm probably going to get slammed for admitting that, oh well, flame away.

 

[MacBaine]

So when you are called to trial for a crime you didn't commit, you would rather have 12 ignorant, lazy, low-income, un-educated, drain-on-society losers.... or would you rather have 12 people who can put their shoes on the right feet?

 

[olds]

You've been reading too many of alkemyst's posts.

 

[Brutuskend]

I served in the Armed Forces.
I have Jury Dury on the 16th and I'm looking forward to it.
I'm a experiance junkie and want to do everything (most everything) at least once before I die!

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I served in the Armed Forces.
I have Jury Dury on the 16th and I'm looking forward to it.
I'm a experiance junkie and want to do everything (most everything) at least once before I die!

Even... that? :Q


MacBaine, perhaps I weren't being clear, but my argument is neither based on wealth nor intelligence (the tax thing is mearly an example, a bad one at that). It has to do with civil service, as being in the armed forces or law enforcement agency, IMHO is above the standard of civil service. You can have wealthy and intelligent Bill Gates serving as a juror, because he has not done his duty as a citizen. Brustuskend on the other hand, has served his time, even though he's not anywhere as wealthy as Bill Gates, nor as nearly as intelligent , and I personally think that Brustuskend should not be obligated to further civil services. Fair?

 

[Yossarian]

I have better shiets to do than read posts like that.

 

[toy4x4]

I agree and disagree.

What I agree with:
There are people that do not pull thier own weight.

What I disagree with:
Waiver for Jury Duty.

My Opinion:
Go lobby to have the law changed. While you are at it, tell them to come up with a real system for picking people for jury duty. I have been 3 times in the last 5 years.(every 18 months you can be called) No one and I mean no one that I know of has ever been called. They should make sure everyone servers once before calling on people for the second time. fuggers

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: toy4x4
I agree and disagree.

What I agree with:
There are people that do not pull thier own weight.

What I disagree with:
Waiver for Jury Duty.

My Opinion:
Go lobby to have the law changed. While you are at it, tell them to come up with a real system for picking people for jury duty. I have been 3 times in the last 5 years.(every 18 months you can be called) No one and I mean no one that I know of has ever been called. They should make sure everyone servers once before calling on people for the second time. fuggers

I agree with THAT. @ 50, this is the FIRST time I have ever been called up, though I know of others who have been called MANY times.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I served in the Armed Forces.
I have Jury Dury on the 16th and I'm looking forward to it.
I'm a experiance junkie and want to do everything (most everything) at least once before I die!

Even... that? :Q


MacBaine, perhaps I weren't being clear, but my argument is neither based on wealth nor intelligence (the tax thing is mearly an example, a bad one at that). It has to do with civil service, as being in the armed forces or law enforcement agency, IMHO is above the standard of civil service. You can have wealthy and intelligent Bill Gates serving as a juror, because he has not done his duty as a citizen. Brustuskend on the other hand, has served his time, even though he's not anywhere as wealthy as Bill Gates, nor as nearly as intelligent , and I personally think that Brustuskend should not be obligated to further civil services. Fair?

That still decreased the odds of you getting a jury of intelligent, competent people. If you exclude all those who have served their country/community... Military, Police, Fire, Rescue, etc, you cut out a large amount of the population that otherwise would have made intelligent and responsible jurors.

 

[minendo]

Wow cr4zymofo, you really area whiny bitch.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I think there's something wrong with a system where someone can be picked three times before I'm picked once. I want to do my part but haven't had the opportunity.

 

[Ness]

The point of jury duty is to find people from very different demographics to promote an opinion which is not biased in any direction.

If you say that people who pay a lot of taxes shouldn't have to do jury duty, then basically you are saying that you should exclude the high-middle income to rich social classes from jury duty.

if you say that people who served in the military shouldn't have jury duty, you exclude their opinion... and so on and so on...

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Jzero
The irony here is that the US Constitution mentions serving on a jury, but not paying federal taxes, IIRC.

But no, it's already too easy to stack a jury full of nitwits. Allowing people to "buy" out of Jury duty would only make matters worse.

Ya know.. when we served on the grand jury... they didn't ask a single damn question about us... they knew our names and our gender... and we were selected. I coulda been a real hater (most of the cases were black defendants) for all they knew...

 

[Stark]

lets hope you get a jury of lazy, stupid, worthless dirtbags decide your fate when you finally snap and go postal...