Junk food and politics and school funding....

[chess9]

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I hope a lot more medical groups get on this idea. If not, we'll have to pass a federal law banning junk food from teenagers and computer geeks. You guys are too fat! Except Red....

Anyway, a lot of schools pay for budget items with the sales of sodas and junk food. Wouldn't our Iraqi money be better spent on our own kids?

-Robert

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: chess9

Wouldn't our Iraqi money be better spent on our own kids?

Yea. Vote Dean in 2004 and quit whining. Fire-up your google and look at the amount of money being spend on education, per capita, in Washington D.C., then fire-up your google to look at where they rank in the nation...the question really becomes: Wouldn't out public education money be better spent in Iraq?

 

[DamnDirtyApe]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: chess9

Wouldn't our Iraqi money be better spent on our own kids?

Yea. Vote Dean in 2004 and quit whining. Fire-up your google and look at the amount of money being spend on education, per capita, in Washington D.C., then fire-up your google to look at where they rank in the nation...the question really becomes: Wouldn't out public education money be better spent in Iraq?

I think it would have been better spent on the Iraqi education system - a few billion bucks after the Gulf War might have made Iraqis feel a little less hateful towards the Yankee infidels... of course, hindsight is 20/20 - for a mere $50 billion we could surely have caused enough civil unrest in Iraq to toppel Saddam from within.

 

[chess9]

Passing the obvious racial implications of your post, the costs per pupil in D.C. vs. Fairfax County is only about $1,000 per pupil more. When one considers the higher incidence of special education and remedial education needs in D.C., the costs of maintaining security, the level of income of the student's parents, and the many other problems such a relatively small school system faces, I think we should continue spend our money on education in D.C. before we send it to Iraq. Admittedly, D.C. has a lot of problems and education is one of the biggest. But D.C. residents pay taxes and the last time I checked they still don't have the right to their own real representative and Senator. Also, FWIW, D.C. has the highest REVENUE per student of any jurisdiction as well.

Many of those kids eat junk food all day every day so I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't a major cause of some the learning problems they face. (All kids eat too many non-nutritional "foods", not just inner-city kids.)

-Robert

 

[GrGr]

Didn't we agree that kids need the best possible education, including college, so that they can compete in tomorrow's job market? (the Reich solution). Underfunding the school system isn't the best possible start is it?

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: chess9
Passing the obvious racial implications of your post, the costs per pupil in D.C. vs. Fairfax County is only about $1,000 per pupil more. When one considers the higher incidence of special education and remedial education needs in D.C., the costs of maintaining security, the level of income of the student's parents, and the many other problems such a relatively small school system faces, I think we should continue spend our money on education in D.C. before we send it to Iraq. Admittedly, D.C. has a lot of problems and education is one of the biggest. But D.C. residents pay taxes and the last time I checked they still don't have the right to their own real representative and Senator. Also, FWIW, D.C. has the highest REVENUE per student of any jurisdiction as well.

Many of those kids eat junk food all day every day so I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't a major cause of some the learning problems they face. (All kids eat too many non-nutritional "foods", not just inner-city kids.)

-Robert

...so why are they ranked at the bottom when per capita spending is near (was 1st the last time I checked, but that was 2002) the top again? because they spend more for security and have more special education children? Is this what you are telling me?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Didn't we agree that kids need the best possible education, including college, so that they can compete in tomorrow's job market? (the Reich solution). Underfunding the school system isn't the best possible start is it?

"best education" doesn't always equal more money.

<deleted rant about school systems>

CkG

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: chess9

Anyway, a lot of schools pay for budget items with the sales of sodas and junk food. Wouldn't our Iraqi money be better spent on our own kids?

-Robert

This has been going on for the past 5-10 years. Well before the Iraqi situation.

The schools use the junkfood $$$ to cover discretionary items due to lowering budgets caused by political refusal to fund the educational system properly.

Agreed that some of these $$$ problems are also caused at the Fed level due to unfunded mandates. :disgust:

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Agreed that some of these $$$ problems are also caused at the Fed level due to unfunded mandates. :disgust:

Is 'teaching' an "unfunded mandate?" Or, instead, are we to continue throwing money at it in hopes that it fixes itself...the proverbial 'War on Drugs' comes to mind.

 

[chess9]

Galt:

Why do YOU think they are ranked near the bottom? Because they are predominantly black? Is that your thesis? If so, why are you so timid about spelling it out? Come on out of the closet and show us your true colors. You slam blacks, you slam gays, you slam the French.

Do you have a problem you want to discuss openly?

Like a lot of barely under control hostility?

-Robert

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: chess9
Galt:

Why do YOU think they are ranked near the bottom? Because they are predominantly black? Is that your thesis? If so, why are you so timid about spelling it out? Come on out of the closet and show us your true colors. You slam blacks, you slam gays, you slam the French.

Do you have a problem you want to discuss openly?

Like a lot of barely under control hostility?

-Robert

You seem to be the one pushing the race angle - not Galt.

Tisk tisk tisk - more race baiting - nice.

CkG

 

[chess9]

CAD:

Uh, uh. I read sub-text in 5 languages, including PC.

No, he's had too many posts with this kind of rhetoric. He's just unwilling to use the sort of language the right wing used in the '50's, '60's, and '70's. His First Amendment rights have been "chilled" by too many PC ICE CUBES.

Oh, well.....

-Robert

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Agreed that some of these $$$ problems are also caused at the Fed level due to unfunded mandates. :disgust:

Is 'teaching' an "unfunded mandate?" Or, instead, are we to continue throwing money at it in hopes that it fixes itself...the proverbial 'War on Drugs' comes to mind.

Teaching is not an unfunded mandate.
The additional paperwork/special ed/certifications/etc requirements are what I am refering to.

Teaching needs to be revamped from the ground up, with support from the community to remove the political leverage that exists within the primary school system and also for the secondary system

Federal rules also have had impacts on the schools by forcing programs into the system, however, the Feds will not provide the $$$ to support those programs/expenses. The systems must obey in order have access to Federal money which is provided for other mandates. This same problem exist within the state level; forcing local schools to meet certain requirements, even though the tax base may not exist to support them.

Example in Florida. back in the 80's, the lottery was sold to the taxpayers as supplimental money to improve the education system. Now the educational pie is being reduced and the lottery $$$ goes into the general fund. Schools are being required to meet certain grading levels justified, however, the additional resources to get to that point ar not being provided. Should the school system not meet that level, it (the system) can/will be punished.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: chess9
Galt:

Why do YOU think they are ranked near the bottom? Because they are predominantly black? Is that your thesis? If so, why are you so timid about spelling it out? Come on out of the closet and show us your true colors. You slam blacks, you slam gays, you slam the French.

Do you have a problem you want to discuss openly?

Like a lot of barely under control hostility?

-Robert

Look, race-baiter, I am not sure from where you are drawing your inferences, but I really don't appreciate you insinuations. Firstly, I have studied education policy for a number of years and have debated ?school choice? at a number of institutions of higher learning?to do so, one must do his proverbial homework. You, sir, should do your homework and discredit my proposition/assertions if you can. Secondly, I live in D.C., so I am a bit closer to the problem than someone in, say, FLORIDA? Lastly, what are your qualifications in the education policy area? If you want to debate this issue further, clean up your act, stop making ridiculous assumptions, and send me a PM when you grow-up.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

You seem to be the one pushing the race angle - not Galt.

Tisk tisk tisk - more race baiting - nice.

CkG

...just read your post after I responded to the D.C. education policy expert. I am glad I wasn't the only one who found the fallacies in the aforementioned post. Isn?t this coming from the same guy who is an expert in foreign exchange rates and effects appreciation/depreciation of currencies have on the global economy? This just keeps getting better and better with every word out of his mouth. And they say there is nothing wrong with public education?

 

[chess9]

Galt:

Well, it's enough for me if you are saying that picture you posted of the two gay females was just in clean fun and that you love all God's children like your own. And, ditto for your criticism of a prominent black school system. I certainly don't know you well enough to say you are anything but a fun loving guy who loves blacks, gays and the French.

As for school policy you shouldn't jump to conclusions about the state of my knowledge. Regardless, it doesn't matter here because you aren't going to explicate the institutional weaknesses unique to the D.C. school system because they are probably irrelevant to the topic (excepting funding) and I'm sure we wouldn't agree at any rate.

The tone of your last response is about what I expected from you however.

-Robert

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: chess9
Galt:

And, ditto for your criticism of a prominent black school system.

Since you like to bring race into everything to hide your shortcomings, let me ask you this: What does being a "prominent black school system" have to do with the argument at hand? Do you feel African Americans have an inability to learn at the same levels of their white peers? If not, then why should race be a factor?

As for school policy you shouldn't jump to conclusions about the state of my knowledge.

...which is why I asked; what makes you a subject-matter expert? Again, send me a PM and we'll compare penises.

Regardless, it doesn't matter here because you aren't going to explicate the institutional weaknesses unique to the D.C. school system

Is Ohio "unique?"

and I'm sure we wouldn't agree at any rate.

Go figure.

The tone of your last response is about what I expected from you however.

You get what you put into it around here; your post regarding my thoughts toward African Americans and gays illustrate how myopic YOUR views are. You have marginalized your arguments and I now see you for what you are?go place your race games with someone else?.I?m not playing.

 

[Corn]

Well, it's enough for me if you are saying that picture you posted of the two gay females was just in clean fun and that you love all God's children like your own. And, ditto for your criticism of a prominent black school system. I certainly don't know you well enough to say you are anything but a fun loving guy who loves blacks, gays and the French.

Typical reply from a typical sheep shagging liberal goose stepper wihtout an original thought in his head.

Galt, if I remember correctly, Chess9's wife is a union employed school teacher--this supposedly makes him an "expert".

The tone of your last response is about what I expected from you however.

The tone of your 2nd post in this thread is exactly what I expect from you.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Corn

Well, it's enough for me if you are saying that picture you posted of the two gay females was just in clean fun and that you love all God's children like your own. And, ditto for your criticism of a prominent black school system. I certainly don't know you well enough to say you are anything but a fun loving guy who loves blacks, gays and the French.

Typical reply from a typical sheep shagging liberal goose stepper wihtout an original thought in his head.

Galt, if I remember correctly, Chess9's wife is a union employed school teacher--this supposedly makes him an "expert".

<gasp> didn't Chess9 just say in a different thread that his wife was a Republican? I didn't know they allowed Republicans into Education Unions...in a Right to Work state no less

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

dp

 

[Corn]

<gasp> didn't Chess9 just say in a different thread that his wife was a Republican? I didn't know they allowed Republicans into Education Unions...in a Right to Work state no less

Why yes he did. Chess9, is your wife also a race hating right-wing Republican? Guilt by association!

It's become obvious that Chess9 soothes his racist guilt by pointing his finger elsewhere.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Corn

<gasp> didn't Chess9 just say in a different thread that his wife was a Republican? I didn't know they allowed Republicans into Education Unions...in a Right to Work state no less

Why yes he did. Chess9, is your wife also a race hating right-wing Republican? Guilt by association!

It's become obvious that Chess9 soothes his racist guilt by pointing his finger elsewhere.

Your and Cad's Ad Hom attacks are taking the legs out of any argument you have put forth in this thread. It's more befitting a lessor person than either of you ahem..Crimson..ahem

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Corn

<gasp> didn't Chess9 just say in a different thread that his wife was a Republican? I didn't know they allowed Republicans into Education Unions...in a Right to Work state no less

Why yes he did. Chess9, is your wife also a race hating right-wing Republican? Guilt by association!

It's become obvious that Chess9 soothes his racist guilt by pointing his finger elsewhere.

Your and Cad's Ad Hom attacks are taking the legs out of any argument you have put forth in this thread. It's more befitting a lessor person than either of you ahem..Crimson..ahem

If I "ad hom" someone - you'll know it - moron.

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Corn

<gasp> didn't Chess9 just say in a different thread that his wife was a Republican? I didn't know they allowed Republicans into Education Unions...in a Right to Work state no less

Why yes he did. Chess9, is your wife also a race hating right-wing Republican? Guilt by association!

It's become obvious that Chess9 soothes his racist guilt by pointing his finger elsewhere.

Your and Cad's Ad Hom attacks are taking the legs out of any argument you have put forth in this thread. It's more befitting a lessor person than either of you ahem..Crimson..ahem

If I "ad hom" someone - you'll know it - moron.

CkG

Edit - see, it happed twice:Q

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Corn

<gasp> didn't Chess9 just say in a different thread that his wife was a Republican? I didn't know they allowed Republicans into Education Unions...in a Right to Work state no less

Why yes he did. Chess9, is your wife also a race hating right-wing Republican? Guilt by association!

It's become obvious that Chess9 soothes his racist guilt by pointing his finger elsewhere.

Your and Cad's Ad Hom attacks are taking the legs out of any argument you have put forth in this thread. It's more befitting a lessor person than either of you ahem..Crimson..ahem

If I "ad hom" someone - you'll know it - moron.

CkG

You can say that again..oops, you already did!