Junior Senator Franken Kicks Conservative Ass -again

[Athena]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
... the Europeans have a much different perspective on what constitutes bankruptcy than the U.S. In fact it is damn difficult to get what we might refer to as a "bankruptcy discharge" in Europe.

Since it isn't possible for people to accrue medical debt in countries with universal healthcare, it doesn't matter how insolvency due to other kinds of debt is handled.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:laugh: you leftists are hilarious.
1. Who says she is a "Conservative"? She may be, but she was there representing an org/business/whatever - not a party or ideology.
2. "owned"? Puhleeze. Franken and you fringe leftists can spin the figures how you wish, but it still doesn't mean the socialist way is better. It may prevent individual bankruptcies but at what cost? Seems Franken didn't like it when she pulled her facts out - he just tried to dismiss them as spin - which is exactly what his BS was - spin.
3. Why can't you leftists be upfront about your desire for a singlepayer system and let the people of America debate that instead of trying to do it the backdoor way with this "public option" BS?

You just made this a "leftie vs rightie" issue. I do not think health care is.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:laugh: you leftists are hilarious.
1. Who says she is a "Conservative"? She may be, but she was there representing an org/business/whatever - not a party or ideology.
2. "owned"? Puhleeze. Franken and you fringe leftists can spin the figures how you wish, but it still doesn't mean the socialist way is better. It may prevent individual bankruptcies but at what cost? Seems Franken didn't like it when she pulled her facts out - he just tried to dismiss them as spin - which is exactly what his BS was - spin.
3. Why can't you leftists be upfront about your desire for a singlepayer system and let the people of America debate that instead of trying to do it the backdoor way with this "public option" BS?

You just made this a "leftie vs rightie" issue. I do not think health care is.

Did you miss the topic title or something?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:laugh: you leftists are hilarious.
1. Who says she is a "Conservative"? She may be, but she was there representing an org/business/whatever - not a party or ideology.
2. "owned"? Puhleeze. Franken and you fringe leftists can spin the figures how you wish, but it still doesn't mean the socialist way is better. It may prevent individual bankruptcies but at what cost? Seems Franken didn't like it when she pulled her facts out - he just tried to dismiss them as spin - which is exactly what his BS was - spin.
3. Why can't you leftists be upfront about your desire for a singlepayer system and let the people of America debate that instead of trying to do it the backdoor way with this "public option" BS?

You just made this a "leftie vs rightie" issue. I do not think health care is.

It shouldn't be, but the Republican party seems to have decided that it's a victory or a loss for Obama and that's the important thing.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would start with:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

that's not a grant of power.

Whatever that is. It's a statement of the purpose of government and an indication of intention.

Promote the general welware, not give you free healthcare. Maybe the federal government should provide all Americans with fresh undies everyday, and clean socks, or have a supervisor standing by to make sure you brush your teeth every nigth before beddybye, how about appointing a nutritionist for every household, wouldn't want too many sweets spoiling your general welfare. The Constitution doesn't give you a good life, or guarantee you a good life, it provides you the opportunity to seek a good life, and earn a good life, to *gasp*, work fr a better life.

You have to have an imbecilic lack of common sense not o be able to tell the difference between the universal need for healthcare and the need for underwear.

What's this, have free police that come when you call about a robber? Why not just have free government rides to the ice cream store whenever you want a scoop?

Where's my universal food! And universal housing! And universal electricity! Why should I had to pay for any of these, they are even more necessary than health care!

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: DanDaManJC

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I would like to ban for just one day the words Democrat, Republican, Liberal, and Conservative, and all variations thereof.

For one day we'd have to argue on merit.

I wonder how many could manage?

:laugh: No one responded. I guess this means p&n would be a ghost town for a day.

To make this work, you would have to come with other labels which can be used for concise insults.

God forbid people would have to use logical arguments rather than quoting their favorite political talking piece.

It would be funny if for a day any use of those words on P&N automatically gets replaced by the forums with something like I AM A PARTISAN WHORE. Some people's posts would be full of such statements!

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would start with:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

that's not a grant of power.

Whatever that is. It's a statement of the purpose of government and an indication of intention.

Promote the general welware, not give you free healthcare. Maybe the federal government should provide all Americans with fresh undies everyday, and clean socks, or have a supervisor standing by to make sure you brush your teeth every nigth before beddybye, how about appointing a nutritionist for every household, wouldn't want too many sweets spoiling your general welfare. The Constitution doesn't give you a good life, or guarantee you a good life, it provides you the opportunity to seek a good life, and earn a good life, to *gasp*, work fr a better life.

You have to have an imbecilic lack of common sense not o be able to tell the difference between the universal need for healthcare and the need for underwear.

What's this, have free police that come when you call about a robber? Why not just have free government rides to the ice cream store whenever you want a scoop?

Where's my universal food! And universal housing! And universal electricity! Why should I had to pay for any of these, they are even more necessary than health care!

We have shelters for the homeless and soup kitchens for the hungry. Unfortunately health care isn't an issue that can be provided by volunteers willing to donate their time and effort.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Where's my universal food! And universal housing! And universal electricity! Why should I had to pay for any of these, they are even more necessary than health care!

Yet they are provided by the government after a natural disaster has occurred. Why aren't people out screaming bloody "Socialism"?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:laugh: you leftists are hilarious.
1. Who says she is a "Conservative"? She may be, but she was there representing an org/business/whatever - not a party or ideology.
2. "owned"? Puhleeze. Franken and you fringe leftists can spin the figures how you wish, but it still doesn't mean the socialist way is better. It may prevent individual bankruptcies but at what cost? Seems Franken didn't like it when she pulled her facts out - he just tried to dismiss them as spin - which is exactly what his BS was - spin.
3. Why can't you leftists be upfront about your desire for a singlepayer system and let the people of America debate that instead of trying to do it the backdoor way with this "public option" BS?

You just made this a "leftie vs rightie" issue. I do not think health care is.

It shouldn't be, but the Republican party seems to have decided that it's a victory or a loss for Obama and that's the important thing.

That's funny - that seems to be what the D's are doing with this issue. Have you not been paying attention to their attempted/reported procedural tricks?

 

[monovillage]

Franken is a joke, he always has been and he always will be.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:laugh: you leftists are hilarious.
1. Who says she is a "Conservative"? She may be, but she was there representing an org/business/whatever - not a party or ideology.
2. "owned"? Puhleeze. Franken and you fringe leftists can spin the figures how you wish, but it still doesn't mean the socialist way is better. It may prevent individual bankruptcies but at what cost? Seems Franken didn't like it when she pulled her facts out - he just tried to dismiss them as spin - which is exactly what his BS was - spin.
3. Why can't you leftists be upfront about your desire for a singlepayer system and let the people of America debate that instead of trying to do it the backdoor way with this "public option" BS?

You just made this a "leftie vs rightie" issue. I do not think health care is.

It's not, until the gov't starts getting involved in it.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I would like to ban for just one day the words Democrat, Republican, Liberal, and Conservative, and all variations thereof.

For one day we'd have to argue on merit.

I wonder how many could manage?

Well, all of the partisan hacks would be at a loss for words. No more "leftist" comment every sentence from CADsortaHACK or ripping on those "idiot" Republicans (his words, not mine) from Phokus (aka dmcowen the second).

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: QuantumPionWhere's my universal food! And universal housing! And universal electricity! Why should I had to pay for any of these, they are even more necessary than health care!

Those things are easier to obtain, less expensive, and much more predictable than health care. If they ever become a huge problem like health care is today, rest assured the government would need to step in.

Why don't you make a moral and practical argument to explain to us why socialized medicine and national health care is evil and will not work instead of trying to use a failed redutcio ad absurdum argument, or are you too much of a chicken to actually debate this issue?

Would you care to deny that socialized medicine is working in other nations and that it is far less expensive while providing 100% coverage? Come on QuantumPion, get some cajones and come on out and argue that for us. You can even argue that socialized medicine is evil because man has individual rights and the initiation of physical force is just evil because a famous author once said it was so.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I would like to ban for just one day the words Democrat, Republican, Liberal, and Conservative, and all variations thereof.

For one day we'd have to argue on merit.

I wonder how many could manage?

Well, all of the partisan hacks would be at a loss for words. No more "leftist" comment every sentence from CADsortaHACK or ripping on those "idiot" Republicans (his words, not mine) from Phokus (aka dmcowen the second).

Wrong. I would welcome a real and rational discussion about Health Care. However, this is P&N and the threads(example being this one) are put into partisan contexts from the start. So instead of whining about partisans in an obviously partisan thread maybe you should attempt a thread of your own for once.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

You just made this a "leftie vs rightie" issue. I do not think health care is.

It shouldn't be, but the Republican party seems to have decided that it's a victory or a loss for Obama and that's the important thing.

...and all the while the Democrats that control Congress are just wringing their hands and trembling at the thought of the Republican minority that can't keep bills from being passed.

You're so partisan, it's hilarious.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It may prevent individual bankruptcies but at what cost?

Here's the "cost": "socialist" systems spend half of what we do on healthcare costs and have universal coverage and no bankruptcies.

Oh boy, those Europeans and Asians are suffering mightily. Why can't they experience the joys of medical bankruptcies like we do? Oh that's right, they don't have fucking idiots called "Republicans" screwing up their countries.

Care to point out where in the UNITED STATES Constitution it grants congress the authority to deploy a government option or universal health care?

Socialists don't care about the Constitution's limits on the Federal gov't.

Repeal medicare then tough guy.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It may prevent individual bankruptcies but at what cost?

Here's the "cost": "socialist" systems spend half of what we do on healthcare costs and have universal coverage and no bankruptcies.

Oh boy, those Europeans and Asians are suffering mightily. Why can't they experience the joys of medical bankruptcies like we do? Oh that's right, they don't have fucking idiots called "Republicans" screwing up their countries.

Care to point out where in the UNITED STATES Constitution it grants congress the authority to deploy a government option or universal health care?

Socialists don't care about the Constitution's limits on the Federal gov't.

Repeal medicare then tough guy.

It should be as the Constitution demands it. Each state depending on their own Constitution can provide for such services.
I understand it seems like a hardcore/drastic move but if the Constitution means anything then much of the power the Feds currently wield should be removed... OR an amendment brought forth to provide the Feds with such power.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I would like to ban for just one day the words Democrat, Republican, Liberal, and Conservative, and all variations thereof.

For one day we'd have to argue on merit.

I wonder how many could manage?

Well, all of the partisan hacks would be at a loss for words. No more "leftist" comment every sentence from CADsortaHACK or ripping on those "idiot" Republicans (his words, not mine) from Phokus (aka dmcowen the second).

Wrong. I would welcome a real and rational discussion about Health Care. However, this is P&N and the threads(example being this one) are put into partisan contexts from the start. So instead of whining about partisans in an obviously partisan thread maybe you should attempt a thread of your own for once.

I'm just calling it as I've seen it in the past. You can hardly finish a post without complaining about "leftists." There are plenty of similar offenders defending the democrat and liberal side of things.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I would like to ban for just one day the words Democrat, Republican, Liberal, and Conservative, and all variations thereof.

For one day we'd have to argue on merit.

I wonder how many could manage?

Well, all of the partisan hacks would be at a loss for words. No more "leftist" comment every sentence from CADsortaHACK or ripping on those "idiot" Republicans (his words, not mine) from Phokus (aka dmcowen the second).

Wrong. I would welcome a real and rational discussion about Health Care. However, this is P&N and the threads(example being this one) are put into partisan contexts from the start. So instead of whining about partisans in an obviously partisan thread maybe you should attempt a thread of your own for once.

I'm just calling it as I've seen it in the past. You can hardly finish a post without complaining about "leftists." There are plenty of similar offenders defending the democrat and liberal side of things.

Sure - in a political discussion I call a spade a spade. However if it were possible to have an open, honest, and rational discussion without the politics - I'd welcome it.

 

[sapiens74]

even during my more conservative phases I always loved Franken

Don't underestimate his intelligence because his dry wit, cause he will smack you down like he did this lady......


good stuff

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
One day, it will be President Al Franken...

/and happy shall I be....

Can't. He was born in Israel. Any birth certificate saying otherwise is phony.

You sure about that?

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would start with:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

that's not a grant of power.

Whatever that is. It's a statement of the purpose of government and an indication of intention.

Promote the general welware, not give you free healthcare. Maybe the federal government should provide all Americans with fresh undies everyday, and clean socks, or have a supervisor standing by to make sure you brush your teeth every nigth before beddybye, how about appointing a nutritionist for every household, wouldn't want too many sweets spoiling your general welfare. The Constitution doesn't give you a good life, or guarantee you a good life, it provides you the opportunity to seek a good life, and earn a good life, to *gasp*, work fr a better life.

You have to have an imbecilic lack of common sense not o be able to tell the difference between the universal need for healthcare and the need for underwear.

What's this, have free police that come when you call about a robber? Why not just have free government rides to the ice cream store whenever you want a scoop?

Where's my universal food! And universal housing! And universal electricity! Why should I had to pay for any of these, they are even more necessary than health care!

Food stamps, section 8, and low income electric programs. Or were you trying to make a point?

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would start with:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

that's not a grant of power.

Whatever that is. It's a statement of the purpose of government and an indication of intention.

Promote the general welware, not give you free healthcare. Maybe the federal government should provide all Americans with fresh undies everyday, and clean socks, or have a supervisor standing by to make sure you brush your teeth every nigth before beddybye, how about appointing a nutritionist for every household, wouldn't want too many sweets spoiling your general welfare. The Constitution doesn't give you a good life, or guarantee you a good life, it provides you the opportunity to seek a good life, and earn a good life, to *gasp*, work fr a better life.

You have to have an imbecilic lack of common sense not o be able to tell the difference between the universal need for healthcare and the need for underwear.

What's this, have free police that come when you call about a robber? Why not just have free government rides to the ice cream store whenever you want a scoop?

Where's my universal food! And universal housing! And universal electricity! Why should I had to pay for any of these, they are even more necessary than health care!

We have shelters for the homeless and soup kitchens for the hungry. Unfortunately health care isn't an issue that can be provided by volunteers willing to donate their time and effort.

Correct, it is a service provided by highly trained professionals. I don't get why people think they are entitled to someones else services for free, especially one that consist of years of training and lots of cost, both monetary, and personal. Healthcare is not a right, free, or cheap, hell, even expensive.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
watching now.i want to say the lady behind franken looks both:

1) hot
2) very bored

ok i finished, he did own her.

Indeed. She's smokin' hot, and I love the glasses.

 

[extra]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It may prevent individual bankruptcies but at what cost?

Here's the "cost": "socialist" systems spend half of what we do on healthcare costs and have universal coverage and no bankruptcies.

Oh boy, those Europeans and Asians are suffering mightily. Why can't they experience the joys of medical bankruptcies like we do? Oh that's right, they don't have fucking idiots called "Republicans" screwing up their countries.

Care to point out where in the UNITED STATES Constitution it grants congress the authority to deploy a government option or universal health care?

Socialists don't care about the Constitution's limits on the Federal gov't.

I'm not a socialist, not even close. But I do support "socialized" medicine.

I love it when people bring out the constitution. I often wonder how many who pull that out have actually read it and don't just quote individual amendments they've memorized because they are used in talking points?

Here, allow me to bust out part of the preamble for you all..

"promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Kthxbye. Your right, the federal government shouldn't be funding things like the arts, a war on drugs, farm subsidies (debatable I guess), military bases in so many foreign countries (some are needed though), corporate subsidies, so many of the b.s. "environmental" circle-jerk studies, bailing out the banks, etc. Some of that stuff (and more) is way outside the scope of the constitution. But health care? HEALTH CARE!??!

Health care clearly falls under providing for the general welfare of our citizens. How much more general welfare can you get???!?!

Socialized medicine is something that is constitutional. It is so blatantly obviously constitutional to be staring you in the face if you read the constitution. It's not buried anywhere. Not in an amendment somewhere. It's in the very first paragraph.