June nonfarm payrolls rise 121,000, Unemployment rate steady at 4.6%

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Payrolls swell by 243,000 in February; pay increases

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) ? Employers added a stronger-than-forecast 243,000 jobs in February but the unemployment rate edged up, the Labor Department said Friday in a report that left analysts divided about whether inflation was heating up.
The unemployment rate inched up to 4.8% from a 4½-year low of 4.7% in January. The bump-up in the jobless rate came as people ? feeling better about job prospects ? applied for work in droves.

Economists had forecast 210,000 jobs would be created in February and the unemployment rate would hold steady.

Average hourly earnings grew 0.3% during February, in line with expectations, but in the 12 months through February pay rose 3.5%, which department officials said was the highest annual increase since September 2001.

While wage growth is good for workers, a big pickup in wages? if sustained? can stir fears about inflation among economists and at the Federal Reserve.

The February job gain followed a revised 170,000 new jobs in January that was originally reported as 193,000. Employers have increased their payrolls every month for the past 2½ years, a sign that economic growth is vigorous enough to keep policymakers on edge about the possibility of inflationary wage and price rises.

Economist Richard DeKaser of National City in Cleveland said the report shows the labor market "continues to grow but not at an explosive pace" and said that might temper Federal Reserve concerns about wage pressures.

"We do see a bump-up in hourly earnings," DeKaser said. "We have established a clear two-year upward trend. The workweek actually dipped a little bit, which offset the rise in earnings."

The average workweek in February was 33.7 hours, down from 33.8 hours in January.

Some analysts described the wage data as troubling.

"The only issue is the wage number which does suggest there will be some upside bias on inflation, and it will keep the Fed raising rates," said economist John Silvia at Wachovia in Charlotte "The probability for a hike in May will increase."

The Federal Reserve has pushed interest rates up 14 times in quarter percentage point increments since mid-2004, bringing the U.S. central bank's bellwether federal funds rate to 4.5%. Many analysts foresee the rate rising to 5% by July, noting that policymakers have commented upon the economy's momentum and the need to keep inflation in check.

The report showed that another 41,000 construction jobs were added in February, on top of 55,000 in January. Some economists had expected hiring for construction to ease more sharply last month with a return to colder weather after an exceptionally mild January. Manufacturing employment, by contrast, declined 1,000 in February after growing 7,000 in January.


Not too bad, unemployment ticked up a bit to 4.8%, although the inflation fears are still real, but otherwise looks good.
 

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Not bad. Would have liked it if wages were to outpace inflation for the year, but still close. Also would have liked the manufacturing sector to expand employment as it did the last 4 months but break even is still nice there.

As long as housing keeps going, the expansion will continue.
 

conjur

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Wages are up 0.3% but last month CPI was up 0.7%. Let's see what the Feb. numbers show for that.

And, one must ask why unemployment went up if 243,000 new jobs were created. Isn't that above the level to maintain equilibrium? Something's funny in those new numbers or perhaps the 313,000 new unemployment claims had something to do with it (along with the revision down of Jan's numbers).

The construction jobs going up is good but we still haven't seen how much of that is related to the rebuilding of the gulf coast. That cannot be considered a permanent provider of good jobs (unless more hurricanes strike this year and the next and...)

The 198,000 service jobs is a good sign but 38,000 of those were not private sector. There goes even more government expansion. But, that still leaves 160,000 private sector jobs which is a decent amount.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Wages are up 0.3% but last month CPI was up 0.7%. Let's see what the Feb. numbers show for that.

And, one must ask why unemployment went up if 243,000 new jobs were created. Isn't that above the level to maintain equilibrium? Something's funny in those new numbers or perhaps the 313,000 new unemployment claims had something to do with it (along with the revision down of Jan's numbers).

The construction jobs going up is good but we still haven't seen how much of that is related to the rebuilding of the gulf coast. That cannot be considered a permanent provider of good jobs (unless more hurricanes strike this year and the next and...)

The 198,000 service jobs is a good sign but 38,000 of those were not private sector. There goes even more government expansion. But, that still leaves 160,000 private sector jobs which is a decent amount.

It's hard to be sure... but that sounded like a grudging acknowledgment of an expanding economy. And with minimal doom and gloom to boot!

Who are you and what have you done to Conjur? ;)
 

conjur

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I've always acknowledged honest gains in the economy.

But what people fail to note is that one month is not a trend. There are too many flukes in too many economic indicators to support the markets' rise of late.


Slow and steady wins the race, right?
 

alchemize

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Unemployment up because more people have returned to the "trying to find a job" category. At least that's what those libs on NPR told me :D
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Unemployment up because more people have returned to the "trying to find a job" category. At least that's what those libs on NPR told me :D

Where's the Evidence of Labor Market Tightness?:

March 7 (Bloomberg) -- It's that time of the month again when the market's fancy turns to employment.

I'm not sure why. This expansion has been characterized by no extension of the work week -- generally the first line of defense when demand picks up -- and only so-so gains in employment. Monthly non-farm job growth has averaged 170,000 over the past two years.

The first Friday of the month (occasionally the second) has failed to produce any fireworks. After a while, you stop hoping.

Still, employment remains the marquee economic report, with wide-ranging implications for other statistics -- personal income and industrial production, to name two. So you have to pay attention.

When I tuned in this month in advance of Friday's report on the labor market in February, I was surprised to learn that the labor market was tight. First there were no jobs, then no good jobs, then all the good jobs were going to China. How did we go from there to here? Where's the evidence the labor market is tight?

``You don't see the symptoms, and that's one of the puzzles of the moment,'' says Neal Soss, chief economist at Credit Suisse.

Let's take a look at the evidence of what the Federal Reserve euphemistically refers to as ``increases in resource utilization,'' which has become the raison d'etre for raising short-term rates.

Still Looking for NAIRU

Exhibit A: The unemployment rate

When Fed policy makers talk about resource utilization in today's produce-it-where-it's-cheapest world, they aren't talking about the industry operating rate, which stood at 80.9 percent in January, a touch below the 33-year average.

What they're referring to is the unemployment rate, which dipped to a 4 1/2-year low of 4.7 percent in January, down from a cycle peak of 6.3 percent in June 2003. According to Phillips curve theory, when the unemployment rate falls below some arbitrary level, or NAIRU (non-accelerating inflation rate of unemployment), inflation accelerates.

The fact that the U.S. economy experienced high unemployment and inflation simultaneously in the 1970s and low unemployment and inflation in the 1980s has done nothing to deter NAIRU advocates.

Preference for Leisure

``To the extent that a Phillips curve exists, it's a moveable feast,'' Soss says.

When presented with a patient with a decent looking MRI and bad pain, doctors are fond of saying they don't treat X-rays; they treat patients. Maybe the dismal science could learn a lesson or two from medical science.

Exhibit B: The average workweek

The average workweek has been flatlining for 3 1/2 years at 33.6 to 33.8 hours. That's well below the average of 34.3 hours in the 1990s, 34.8 hours in the 1980s and 36.3 hours in the 1970s -- all decades that had their share of workweek-depressing recessions.

American's increased preference for leisure notwithstanding -- the workweek has been declining since the 1960s -- if the labor market is tight, why aren't companies asking their current employees to sit at their desks a half-hour longer every week?

It's a lot easier -- and cheaper -- to crack the whip on the current stable of workers than find and retain new ones. It's not happening, so maybe there isn't enough work to warrant it.

Labor's Share

Exhibit C: Wages

Recently there's been growing agitation over the increase in the narrow measure of wages in the employment report. Average hourly earnings rose 3.3 percent in January from a year earlier, barely ahead of the 3.1 percent gain in the personal consumption expenditures price index.

Looking at broader measures of compensation (wages, salaries and benefits), labor doesn't seem to be getting much traction.

``Bargaining power has shifted to the capitalists,'' Soss says. ``Corporations have taken away pension plans and given employees 401(k)s. They've taken their health benefits and given them medical savings accounts. They've transferred the risk from capitalist to worker and don't have to compensate him.''

Labor's share of the income pie was 57.4 percent last year, up from 56.7 percent at the 1997 trough but well below the 1980 peak (61.1 percent), according to Soss.

Asymptomatic Tightness

``It's one thing to have a preconceived notion of full employment,'' says Jim Glassman, senior U.S. economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. ``But you have to look to prices for validation.''

If the labor market were tight, wouldn't workers be getting a better shake?

Exhibit D: The participation rate

The percentage of the population that is in the labor force (employed or unemployed) has been drifting lower since its peak in the first quarter of 2000 (66.9 percent). There's a good chance the turn-of-the-century high represents some kind of a bubble, which was bound to burst with technology and Internet stocks.

It may seem like a distant memory, but companies were offering cars and other expensive perks to attract skilled workers in the late 1990s. Fast-food restaurants, such as McDonalds, expanded their potential hiring pool to non-English- speaking, entry-level workers by using icons on cashiers' screens. Criminals were lured into the workforce because work paid better -- and was a lot safer -- than crime.

Not Tight Enough?

Everyone has a price at which work becomes more attractive than leisure. The fact that labor market conditions haven't lured folks back into the workforce tells you the price is still too low.

The increase in resource utilization has figured prominently in the statement released at the end of the Fed's December and January meetings. Unless the adverse effects of the tight labor market surface soon, policy makers may have to find another justification for raising rates.

She makes some interesting points on the current state of the labor market.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
I've always acknowledged honest gains in the economy.

But what people fail to note is that one month is not a trend. There are too many flukes in too many economic indicators to support the markets' rise of late.


Slow and steady wins the race, right?

No, you have crapped on every bit of good economic news that has come for the last several years. You and Dave scream the numbers are false, unless of course they are bad. The economy has been expanding for sometime now, maybe you will see it one day.
 

conjur

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The last several years? Uhh...P&N is barely 2 years old.


And, the economy is only expanding due to deficit spending. This has been proven and posted many times before.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: conjur
The last several years? Uhh...P&N is barely 2 years old.


And, the economy is only expanding due to deficit spending. This has been proven and posted many times before.

You've PROVEN this? Somebody give this man a nobel prize in economics :roll:

And wasn't P&N put in place in 2002?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
The last several years? Uhh...P&N is barely 2 years old.


And, the economy is only expanding due to deficit spending. This has been proven and posted many times before.



Posted yes, proven no.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
The last several years? Uhh...P&N is barely 2 years old.


And, the economy is only expanding due to deficit spending. This has been proven and posted many times before.
Posted yes, proven no.

<ahem>
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Originally posted by: Genx87
This looks like great news imo.

Markets agree so far, for today:

DJ

NASDAQ

S&P 500


If you actually followed the market you'd know that 1. The entire week was a disaster. 2. Not much besides the dow went up today. (meaning that individual stocks overall didn't do so great)
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Originally posted by: Genx87
This looks like great news imo.

Markets agree so far, for today:

DJ

NASDAQ

S&P 500


If you actually followed the market you'd know that 1. The entire week was a disaster. 2. Not much besides the dow went up today.
And the NASDAQ since the Propagandist took office?

January 22, 2001: 2,757.91
Today: 2,262.04


-18%

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
The last several years? Uhh...P&N is barely 2 years old.


And, the economy is only expanding due to deficit spending. This has been proven and posted many times before.
Posted yes, proven no.

<ahem>

Well defecit spending is not the typical term used to describe that. While I do agree there can be financial problems related to extracting the equity from your house, it is not all bad either.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
It's not that there can be it's that there are problems.

The housing bubble is starting to burst and it's all that's keeping up some semblance of economic recovery (which really doesn't exist)

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P146055.asp?Rating=10&PageID=146055#Rating

http://www.weedenco.com/welling/lilogo.asp

I can post a couple of articles on why things are going well.

But yes i agree the house market is starting to cool and it may burst in a few areas, but it will not be a nationwide event.
 

jlmadyson

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Originally posted by: Genx87
This looks like great news imo.

Markets agree so far, for today:

DJ

NASDAQ

S&P 500


If you actually followed the market you'd know that 1. The entire week was a disaster. 2. Not much besides the dow went up today. (meaning that individual stocks overall didn't do so great)

Oh you got a crystal ball and know whether or not I follow the market, nice. 2, the week was by no means a disaster or a great success either. 3 My post was in respect to the market's reaction to this specific Jobs report, which I might add all three were up, overall.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
It's not that there can be it's that there are problems.

The housing bubble is starting to burst and it's all that's keeping up some semblance of economic recovery (which really doesn't exist)

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P146055.asp?Rating=10&PageID=146055#Rating

http://www.weedenco.com/welling/lilogo.asp
I can post a couple of articles on why things are going well.
Would love to see them.

But, read those articles before you do. Perhaps reality will start sinking in.

But yes i agree the house market is starting to cool and it may burst in a few areas, but it will not be a nationwide event.
mmmkay.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
It's not that there can be it's that there are problems.

The housing bubble is starting to burst and it's all that's keeping up some semblance of economic recovery (which really doesn't exist)

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P146055.asp?Rating=10&PageID=146055#Rating

http://www.weedenco.com/welling/lilogo.asp
I can post a couple of articles on why things are going well.
Would love to see them.

But, read those articles before you do. Perhaps reality will start sinking in.

The 2nd link does not work, as it requires authentication/registration. i have read quite a few and I dont beleive we are headed for economic diaster. Part of the economy could be better, but that is always the case as things are never perfect.
 

alchemize

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The housing "bubble" will never burst, rather it will deflate. People think that somehow housing = market, stocks = market, therefore housing = stock market.

There are underlying assets in housing that don't go away.
1) The land is fixed. Once you use all the land in Chicago, it's gone. Then you start building out. But once that is gone, then you build farther out...etc. Over the long term, these are stable growth rates.
2) The house itself is an asset made up from raw materials. Those prices are set by a competitive market. This is not subject to as wild of fluctuations.

Additionally, house prices are "sticky". If house prices go down too much, people stop selling as they are unwilling to take a loss.

I see no upcoming "burst" of a bubble and would be glad to wager large sums of money on it with anyone willing :)