June Hiring Up, Unemployment Rate Drops

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June Hiring Up, Unemployment Rate Drops
7/8/05


WASHINGTON - Hiring around the country picked up slightly in June with employers adding 146,000 jobs ? helping to push the unemployment rate down to 5 percent, the lowest in nearly four years.

The latest snapshot of the nation's jobs climate, released by the Labor Department on Friday, supported the view of Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and his colleagues that the labor market continues to improve gradually.

The modest payroll gain of 146,000 jobs in June was up from 104,000 net jobs added in May. Payroll growth for both April and May turned out to be better than the government previously reported. Still, the strength of job growth seen in June was likely to disappoint economists. Before the release of the report, they were forecasting a more robust increase of around 195,000 jobs for the month.

"It all suggests that the labor market is improving a bit. But it's kind of anemic compared with what we were expecting. It really does validate the Fed's view. There is a gradual improvement in the labor market. But it is very gradual," said William Cheney, chief economist at John Hancock Financial Services.

Manufacturers shed jobs in June for the fourth month in a row. Job growth slowed in retailing but picked up briskly in professional and business services, and in the leisure and hospitality field.

The 5 percent civilian unemployment rate, meanwhile, was down a notch from the 5.1 percent registered in May. It matched the jobless rate in September 2001 and was bested only by a 4.9 percent unemployment rate in August 2001.

The Federal Reserve, wanting to keep inflation in check, lifted a key interest rate by one-quarter percentage point to 3.25 percent last week. Fed policymakers suggested the economy and the job market are in good shape despite the toll of high energy prices.

"Although energy prices have risen further, the expansion remains firm and labor market conditions continue to improve gradually," Fed policymakers said last week.

Oil prices surged to $61.28 a barrel on Wednesday, a closing price that marked a new record high.

Still with the labor market improving gradually rather than by leaps and bounds, economists said Friday's report justifies the Fed staying on its course of modest, quarter-point interest rate increases this year.

The labor market, which has seen uneven job growth from month to month, is one part of the economy that has struggled to get back to full throttle after the 2001 recession. Economists would like to see steady payroll gains of at least 150,000 each month.

President Bush, plagued by questions about the health of the job market in his first term, wants to see the country enjoy good economic conditions, especially as he tries to sell his plans for overhauling Social Security.

In June, manufacturers cut 24,000 jobs. Makers of motor vehicles and parts, which have cut production and offered promotions to sell off excess inventories and entice buyers, lost 18,000 jobs over the month.

Professional and business services, however, added a robust 56,000 jobs in June, up from 10,000 new positions created in May. Employment in financial activities grew by 16,000, an improvement from the 4,000 new jobs seen in the previous month. Leisure and hospitality companies stepped up payrolls by 19,000 in June after being flat in May.

Education and health services expanded payrolls by 38,000, down from 46,000 in May. Retailers added just over 2,000 jobs in June, compared with roughly 15,000 the month before.

The average time that the unemployed spent in their search for work in June was 17.1 weeks, an improvement from the average 18.8 weeks registered in May.

Workers' average hourly earnings, meanwhile, rose to $16.06 in June, up from $16.03 in May.

The unemployment rate is calculated on the basis of a survey of 60,000 households, sort of a poll of the jobs market. Economists tend to give more credence to the much broader survey of payrolls, which examines 400,000 work sites. That's the survey that showed 146,000 jobs were generated in June.

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Stocks move higher on economic optimism
7/5/05

NEW YORK - Stocks moved higher Monday as investors, cheered by an upbeat factory orders report, set aside their worries over rising oil prices.

Investors latched on to the strongest increase in factory orders in 14 months. Although most of the strength reflected demand for airplanes and parts, the data also indicated that June orders may have been stronger than May.

Economy's Growth Is Better Than Expected

WASHINGTON - The economy logged a solid 3.8 percent growth rate in the first quarter of 2005, a performance that was better than previously thought and a fresh sign the expansion is on firm footing.

The new reading on gross domestic product, released by the Commerce Department on Wednesday, marked an improvement from the 3.5 percent annual rate estimated for the quarter just a month ago and matched the showing registered in the final quarter of 2004



Very good news for all people who support the American lifestyle.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: zendari
Stocks move higher on economic optimism

NEW YORK - Stocks moved higher Monday as investors, cheered by an upbeat factory orders report, set aside their worries over rising oil prices.

Investors latched on to the strongest increase in factory orders in 14 months. Although most of the strength reflected demand for airplanes and parts, the data also indicated that June orders may have been stronger than May.

Economy's Growth Is Better Than Expected

WASHINGTON - The economy logged a solid 3.8 percent growth rate in the first quarter of 2005, a performance that was better than previously thought and a fresh sign the expansion is on firm footing.

The new reading on gross domestic product, released by the Commerce Department on Wednesday, marked an improvement from the 3.5 percent annual rate estimated for the quarter just a month ago and matched the showing registered in the final quarter of 2004



Very good news for all people who support the American lifestyle.

First link: Should I come back tomorrow when the market goes down again?

Second link: That's nice. Still doesn't translate into meaningful job creation.

Although economic activity is solid, job creation is choppy. Employers boosted payrolls by just 78,000 after a hiring spurt of 274,000 in April. May's job gain was the weakest in almost two years."
 

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Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.
 

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Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.

QFT
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: eggrole1
Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.

QFT


... I erased this cause I now know what QFT stands for. :)
 

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Still doesn't translate into meaningful job creation.

Interesting, the job market is at better than perfect employment - which means, there is little you can do to create more jobs. It also means that everyone that is looking has one.

Please try to understand basic economics and the job market before posting again.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: eggrole1
Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.

QFT


is that short had for telling me to stop trolling? care to explain?

I stand by my comment. ITs nice to see the economy continoe to perform well. My investments have done well in the last few years. But I cant help but wonder if oil wasnt so high (which has nothing to do with either party) how on fire our economy could be.

QFT = quoted for truth.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: eggrole1
Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.

QFT


is that short had for telling me to stop trolling? care to explain?

I stand by my comment. ITs nice to see the economy continoe to perform well. My investments have done well in the last few years. But I cant help but wonder if oil wasnt so high (which has nothing to do with either party) how on fire our economy could be.

QFT = quoted for truth.

lol... oh, ok. Guess I don't have to get defensive then. :) thx, for the clarify.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Still doesn't translate into meaningful job creation.

Interesting, the job market is at better than perfect employment - which means, there is little you can do to create more jobs. It also means that everyone that is looking has one.

Please try to understand basic economics and the job market before posting again.

This coming from the man that stomped up and down that we're running a surplus.
 

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Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.

It'd be great, but something tells me my @#$%! Cisco stock would still be licking the floor.
 

irwincur

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This coming from the man that stomped up and down that we're running a surplus.

Uh, I poseted an article that SHOWED a surplus for one quarter. Never did I claim that the entire Federal budget was running a surplus. Proof however that it is never as bad as the claim.


But, back your assertation that a better than 5.6% unemployment rate is bad. I will be waiting - like usual - for a very long time.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: irwincur
This coming from the man that stomped up and down that we're running a surplus.

Uh, I poseted an article that SHOWED a surplus for one quarter. Never did I claim that the entire Federal budget was running a surplus. Proof however that it is never as bad as the claim.


But, back your assertation that a better than 5.6% unemployment rate is bad. I will be waiting - like usual - for a very long time.

No, 5.6% ain't bad at all. You might have won this round, but there's always tomorrow on P&N!!! :)
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: irwincur
This coming from the man that stomped up and down that we're running a surplus.

Uh, I poseted an article that SHOWED a surplus for one quarter. Never did I claim that the entire Federal budget was running a surplus. Proof however that it is never as bad as the claim.


But, back your assertation that a better than 5.6% unemployment rate is bad. I will be waiting - like usual - for a very long time.

You do realize that business overpay their taxes for the first quarter of the next fiscal year, don't you? They do this to avoid penalties in case they underpay.

5.6% unemployment isn't bad, but realize this: It doesn't measure people that have given up looking for work or persons that have settled on a much lower-paying job.
 

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: irwincur
This coming from the man that stomped up and down that we're running a surplus.

Uh, I poseted an article that SHOWED a surplus for one quarter. Never did I claim that the entire Federal budget was running a surplus. Proof however that it is never as bad as the claim.


But, back your assertation that a better than 5.6% unemployment rate is bad. I will be waiting - like usual - for a very long time.

You do realize that business overpay their taxes for the first quarter of the next fiscal year, don't you? They do this to avoid penalties in case they underpay.

5.6% unemployment isn't bad, but realize this: It doesn't measure people that have given up looking for work or persons that have settled on a much lower-paying job.


No it doesnt but those numbers are tracked, and median income is up and numbers of people who have given up looking for work are not really any higher than they normally are. Besides, number of people who have given up looking for work will always be related to the unemployment rate, since as the unemployment situation gets worse people will give up more, and visa versa, employment rates will generally be directly comparable, because these other factors are related to the basic unemployment rate and will improve as it does.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: irwincur
This coming from the man that stomped up and down that we're running a surplus.

Uh, I poseted an article that SHOWED a surplus for one quarter. Never did I claim that the entire Federal budget was running a surplus. Proof however that it is never as bad as the claim.


But, back your assertation that a better than 5.6% unemployment rate is bad. I will be waiting - like usual - for a very long time.
No, 5.6% ain't bad at all. You might have won this round, but there's always tomorrow on P&N!!! :)
The unemployment rate is becoming obsolete. The Labor Force Participation Rate is more telling and it's not looking all that rosy.

The factory orders increase looks rosier as the April numbers were revised downward. This has been a trend for the last several months. Revise the previous month's numbers down or up in order to either lessen the shock of a decrease or falsely bolster the new month's increase. That's been happening on several economic indicators for several months now. It's become quite predictable.

The only thing strong in this economy right now is executive pay and corporate profits. Individual income for the great majority of workers is not keeping pace. Hell, it's not even keeping pace with inflation. And with gas/heating costs taking up a higher % of the lower-income worker, it's hitting more people harder.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: piasabird
This just means the rich got richer off of their employees in India.
And IBM will be climbing even higher up that tree with their latest announcment...moving thousands and thousands of jobs to India and slashing them here.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Stocks move higher on economic optimism

NEW YORK - Stocks moved higher Monday as investors, cheered by an upbeat factory orders report, set aside their worries over rising oil prices.

Investors latched on to the strongest increase in factory orders in 14 months. Although most of the strength reflected demand for airplanes and parts, the data also indicated that June orders may have been stronger than May.

Economy's Growth Is Better Than Expected

WASHINGTON - The economy logged a solid 3.8 percent growth rate in the first quarter of 2005, a performance that was better than previously thought and a fresh sign the expansion is on firm footing.

The new reading on gross domestic product, released by the Commerce Department on Wednesday, marked an improvement from the 3.5 percent annual rate estimated for the quarter just a month ago and matched the showing registered in the final quarter of 2004



Very good news for all people who support the American lifestyle.


The stockmarket in general is overpriced, keep listening to the bulls if you like. I think there will be a major correction over the next few years. On the whole, the numbers really do suck.

On top of massive trade deficits, foreign debt and mounting pressure from the Euro, personal debt is at an all time high and rising. At some point, that debt will be called.

Australia went to war in Iraq because aside from being in a budget surplus we share every other problem of the U.S economy. If Iraq continued to sell oil in Euros,along with Iran and Venezuela it would have had serious consequences for both our economies. At best a recession, at worst a depression similar too or worse than 1933. Basically we backed the U.S over Europe because we have so much to lose.

I can't believe there is so little reportage of facts about the macroeconomic situation.

The U.S simultaneously fighting to create democracy in Iraq, while supporting the overthrow of an extremely popular Venezuelan leader, who was democratically elected.

The only thing the "Axis of Evil" has in common is that they want to pay for Oil, or sell oil in Euros. That would've been a disaster for both the value of the dollar as the fiat currency, the new gold standard if you like. Combined with the massive outsourcing of manufacturing jobs and the resultant increase in Imports, and you have total collapse of your "American lifestyle". Don't think it's possible? Wake up!

Personally if Msrs. Bush,Blair and Howard had've collectively said that this is what the war was really about, I would still disagree with it, but they would have my respect for atleast telling the truth.

They want us to think that our economies are safe, not only to get re-elected, but to encourage investment, therefore they talk with forked tongues about freedom, democracy and the American way.
 

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Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.


While i am clueless, but wouldnt higher oil prices automatically generate more free GDP for the US since higher oil prices naturally increases the world demand for more dollars (which only the US can export :)) and hence limits the negative effect of the trade deficit?
 

Helenihi

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Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.


While i am clueless, but wouldnt higher oil prices automatically generate more free GDP for the US since higher oil prices naturally increases the world demand for more dollars (which only the US can export :)) and hence limits the negative effect of the trade deficit?


No.

It doesnt matter what they're denominated in because it's all done electronically. Its not like companies have to go and physically get dollars when they want to buy oil.
 

B00ne

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What has that to do with it. if anything it raises the profit. And it does matter in what currency products are traded it in fact it makes that currency a product
 

martinez

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Originally posted by: Helenihi
Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.


While i am clueless, but wouldnt higher oil prices automatically generate more free GDP for the US since higher oil prices naturally increases the world demand for more dollars (which only the US can export :)) and hence limits the negative effect of the trade deficit?


No.

It doesnt matter what they're denominated in because it's all done electronically. Its not like companies have to go and physically get dollars when they want to buy oil.

Of course it matters what currency it is traded in, it matters to the point of that one thing propping up the entire U.S economy. The strength of the U.S position during and after WW2 was directly attributable to the ability to outproduce their enemies. With so much of the manufacturing sector being shifted offshore, this is no longer the case.

Oil being traded in U.S$ is the main reason America can continue to sustain a foreign debt and trade deficit that would otherwise cripple it. Anyone who thinks things can only get better from here is being choked by their own sphincter.

With our current government in Australia acting like the 51st state of America, it concerns me a great deal that this is the case.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: tss4
Still amazes me, though, that the US economy continues to chug a long, making pregress, even with high oil prices and such a large trade defecit. Makes you wonder how well we'd be doing if we had government spending under control and oil prices were more modest.
While i am clueless, but wouldnt higher oil prices automatically generate more free GDP for the US since higher oil prices naturally increases the world demand for more dollars (which only the US can export :)) and hence limits the negative effect of the trade deficit?
What about the oil transactions occurring in Euros? In fact, that's one of the reasons some people think the Propagandist invaded Iraq: to keep Saddam from switching to buying oil in Euros.