Jumped into iPhone w/ a pair of free 4s units....

bob4432

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Can you list some iPhone centric forums? My Androids need a full reset & they are all out of contract so ordered the correct size sims to unlock both sets of the iPhones & Androids.

These are older phones but would like to give the iPhones a fair trial as I have been using Androids since they came out. Whichever flavor my wife and I feel is best for us we will pick up a newer pair, probably not current flagship, but prior gen. Plus now I can try some ROMS on the Androids and see how they compare without all that AT&T junk bloating them up.

So what iPhone sites do you go to for the latest and greatest non-fanboy info?

Thanks,
Bob
 

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What OS are those iPhone 4S' running? If iOS 9, they will run like crap. That would be pretty much the best way to learn hate iOS. ;)

If they are running iOS 7.1 they will feel reasonably snappy. If they are running iOS 8.4. then they will still be OK. But OS 9 is really slow on them.

You can check out the Apple forum here at AnandTech for further info.
 

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Using 4s's isn't really giving iOS a try, it'll just be ugly and slow. Sell them on EBay or swappa and get at least an iPhone 6.
 
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For a try, an iPhone 5 would be fine.

It would be cheap and it can even run iOS 10, reportedly acceptably.
 

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What I have is at the top. What you have is at the bottom. :D

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For people wanting to buy new, I recommend the 6s or the SE (as they have 2 GB RAM) or better. However, for a cheap iOS trial phone, the 1 GB 5/5c should be usable, with lags here and there though.

BTW, the 7 Plus has 3 GB RAM, and the 4S has 0.5 GB.
 

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The SE is the way to go if you're "trying out" an iPhone. Least amount of investment with the best performance at that price point.
 

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And the reason people think Apple users are dicks. Just like when they thought PowerPC was superior to Intel CPUs.

I do not need to spend hundreds of dollars to see if the UI and flow of a phone is going to work for me.

I probably need to go to an Apple Store as size seems to be the biggest issue I have encountered.
 
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And the reason people think Apple users are dicks. Just like when they thought PowerPC was superior to Intel CPUs.

I do not need to spend hundreds of dollars to see if the UI and flow of a phone is going to work for me.

I probably need to go to an Apple Store as size seems to be the biggest issue I have encountered.

What exactly is your goal here?

There are significant hardware limitations that will make the experience frankly terrible. Happy to help and advise, but really don't appreciate being called a dick.

Reading your OP, you didn't tell us the carrier, or version of iOS they're running, but they're to "try out" iOS. We're trying to explain why that's really not fair to iOS.

Had you asked prior to acquiring them, I think everyone would have advised against it. Now you're talking about buying different phones, and trying out iPhones at the Apple Store because of size/useability issues. We could have saved you the trouble. And you wouldn't have wasted your time.

Honestly, it sounds as if you'd be happier with an Andriod phone, as you seem to dislike Apple users.

If you're serious, the SE is a great phone, what you want is a fingerprint sensor, I think the 6 give a better experience because of the screen size.

To recap, iOS on a 4 is like Windows 10 on a netbook, not an optimal experience.

Who's your carrier? There are some great deals right now, especially if you were to do something like find used 16GB 6's and trade them in on the new 7's, all of the major carriers are running aggressive promotions, and you'd end up with phones with screaming fast CPU's and GPS's for not much money.
 
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And the reason people think Apple users are dicks. Just like when they thought PowerPC was superior to Intel CPUs.

I do not need to spend hundreds of dollars to see if the UI and flow of a phone is going to work for me.

I probably need to go to an Apple Store as size seems to be the biggest issue I have encountered.
Wow. The only person being a dick in this thread is you. You asked for advice and you got it. You just didn't happen to like it. But in case you're just having a bad day:

The 4S is too old. As mentioned, if it's running iOS 9 it will run like crap, and iOS 9 isn't even the latest OS. (It can't run the latest OS.) In fact, I consider it almost unusable on iOS 9. If it's running iOS 7 it will run fine, but it will be three generations of iOS out of date. iOS 8 should be acceptable on it, but that is two generations out of date now and some recent apps don't even install on anything less than iOS 9. Note that if you have iOS 9 on it, you can no longer downgrade to iOS 8 (or 7).

Two phones that were recommended to you were the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 5. The Apple Store won't help you there because both are discontinued, as the 6 came out in 2014 and the 5 came out in 2012. I think the 6 is still too expensive on the used market for just a trial, but the 5 may be sufficient here, esp. since it's uber cheap now on the used market and you might be able to get most of that money back by selling the two 4S iPhones. The 5 is more than twice as fast as the 4S, and also has twice the RAM, necessary to run the latest version of iOS, which is iOS 10.
 
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And the reason people think Apple users are dicks. Just like when they thought PowerPC was superior to Intel CPUs.

I do not need to spend hundreds of dollars to see if the UI and flow of a phone is going to work for me.

I probably need to go to an Apple Store as size seems to be the biggest issue I have encountered.

Nobody give two shits if you choose android or ios. However using a 4s today is kinda like saying you want to give android a fair shake, but you want to try gingerbread on a galaxy s2 or something. It just doesn't have any relevance as to where the OS and hardware is today.
 

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@Kazukian i didn't mean to call you a dick, that was for Eug.

As far as the android vs iPhone comparison, they are both old, within a year of each other. The iPhones were free but unfortunately one has iOS 9.2.1 and one has iOS 9.3.5. I basically use the phones like a PDA + phone, navigation, txt & P&S camera, no facebook, no games, none of the stuff that people fill their phones up with. One thing with the camera, is there an app that is quality and would allow me to drop the resolution down to say a low of at least 1600x900(or something around there? Full 8MP is overkill for posting ads to sell items) if not lower? The quality of the camera is excellent and extremely easy to get to.

And yes, I apologize for yesterday, very bad day on my end and I would like to personally apologize to Eug for the comment.

I did not get any sleep last night but I hope this clears things up a bit.
 

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@Kazukian i didn't mean to call you a dick, that was for Eug.

As far as the android vs iPhone comparison, they are both old, within a year of each other. The iPhones were free but unfortunately one has iOS 9.2.1 and one has iOS 9.3.5. I basically use the phones like a PDA + phone, navigation, txt & P&S camera, no facebook, no games, none of the stuff that people fill their phones up with. One thing with the camera, is there an app that is quality and would allow me to drop the resolution down to say a low of at least 1600x900(or something around there? Full 8MP is overkill for posting ads to sell items) if not lower? The quality of the camera is excellent and extremely easy to get to.

And yes, I apologize for yesterday, very bad day on my end and I would like to personally apologize to Eug for the comment.

I did not get any sleep last night but I hope this clears things up a bit.

I don't know about specific resolutions, but you can always use the Photos app's built-in cropping tools. You may also want to consider apps like Camera+ if you want to fine-tune the output.

If you think the 4S is nice... the 6S or 7 would absolutely blow your mind. I don't know if I'd say for sure that the 7 has the best camera on the market, but it makes the 4S seem modest. Great low-light performance and focusing.
 

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OK no problem. If it was the graph post that pissed you off, it was just to illustrate why the 4S is so problematic in 2016. It's actually less than 1/10th the compute power of the latest iPhone with a quarter of the RAM of current models (and 1/6th the RAM of the current Plus), so course it's going to be very slow. I didn't mean to criticize your gift though, so sorry about that.

Anyhoo, I have an iPad 2 that my very young kids use, but even they have problems with it. Basically all it can be used reliably for is Netflix and YouTube, but it lags galore for OS navigation and app switchin, and the kids wonder why the button presses sometimes don't work until a few seconds later. Surfing on it is rather painful, yet it actually has a faster CPU than the 4S. The 4S has the advantage of a smaller screen so compute requirements are less but it suffers the same problems.

If you just use it for PDA + phone, text, and NAV, and the camera, then it could work even in iOS 9, but the experience isn't really representative of iOS. The lags can be very frustrating at times. In addition to that, surfing is really, really difficult on that phone, because of the small screen size and because of the speed. In addition, there is a tendency these days for apps to crash. But if you don't surf and don't install other apps, then maybe it doesn't matter to you.

However, iOS 9 is way, way better on the iPhone 5. It's a totally different experience, even for basic use like talk and text. And it has an improved camera and more screen space for NAV too. And it can run iOS 10, but I haven't tried the 5 in iOS 10 yet. However, Ars says the iPhone 5 does well with iOS 10.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/09/good-news-ios-10-runs-pretty-well-on-the-iphone-5-and-5c/

Most basic day-to-day things still feel pretty good on the iPhone 5. Bringing up the Intelligence screen, the Notification Center, the Control Center, or the multitasking switcher all happens smoothly without the inconsistency or dropped frames that plague an iPhone 4S running iOS 9. You’ll mostly run into problems in three areas: games, multitasking, and battery life.

The GPU in the iPhone 5S can be as much as three or four times faster than the GPU in the iPhone 5, and newer iPhone GPUs are even faster. That by itself is enough to explain why even simple-looking games like Pokémon Go and Shooty Skies can exhibit choppy framerates on the iPhone 5. They’re still playable, but performance is less consistent since the hardware is being pushed to its limits.

The same principle explains why multitasking—switching from one app to another, replying to a message directly from a notification, doing things with the phone while it’s also performing a background task like app updating or a large download—can make the phone chug a little. As long as you’re just doing one thing, the speed feels pretty good. The iPhone 5 launched with iOS 6, after all, software that was far more locked down and less capable than iOS is today.

And then there's battery life. Part of the problem stems from the older hardware—if the SoC is working harder than it did under older versions of iOS, that means that the chip spends less time idling, and idle time is where modern phones and laptops save power. The biggest battery life jumps in recent years have come because Apple, Intel, and others have figured out how to let their chips spend more time not doing anything and by making the processors switch between active and idle states more quickly. The iPhone 5 and 5C are working harder more often, so battery life is more of a problem than it is on a newer phone like the iPhone SE (that phone’s chips were all made using newer, more power-efficient manufacturing processes, which also helps).

The other factor is normal wear-and-tear. Any iPhone 5 or 5C out there right now is somewhere between two and four years old, and if your phone’s battery hasn’t been replaced at some point, you’ve probably lost a significant amount of capacity. Since those phones are also mostly out of warranty, it’s relatively easy to find a third-party who will change your battery out for a fresh one, and iFixit sells kits that make it relatively easy to do yourself. But if you or someone you know is using an older iPhone 5 or 5C at this point, a new battery is probably worth looking into.

The most important thing to note for the purposes of this article is that all of these things were also problems in iOS 9, and that iOS 10 doesn’t appear to make any of them worse. They’re just realities of using a phone made in 2012 to run software made in 2016. Phone hardware is maturing rapidly, but the year-over-year improvements are still noticeable, and cumulatively the last four years of updates are even more noticeable.

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To put it another way, your thresholds may be quite different than mine, but IMO the iPhone 5 is tolerable with iOS 9, and the iPhone 4S is not. And the 5S is actually fairly decent, including in iOS 10.
 
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Protip, use swappa when you buy your gently used phones, I have 3 phones listed now, have been a user for 4 years now

Thanks for the apology, but Eug was just trying to help too. There's really only a couple people here I've noticed are unhelpful, I think you'll find even us iphone users are Android users as well. I just gave my nexus 6 to son in law, have been eyeing a oneplus 3 lately. I always have at least 1 Android device
 

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Speaking of Android, I have a 2012 Nexus 7. That thing is truly unusable with the latest OS on it. I'm thinking of downgrading the OS to something much earlier, but I don't have much use for it these days. But at least the OS is downgradable. That is not possible with iOS (except in the first few days after release).

I sold my Motorola RAZR HD and Nexus 5 a long time ago. Actually I didn't even bother using the Nexus 5 as I had bought an iPhone 5S by that time.
 

bob4432

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Thanks guys/gals(going of avatars(?)).

A friend has either a 6s or 6s+ and he says his 4s pics looks grainy compared to the 6 series he has.

I will look into Camera+ (any other considerations?) to see if I can lower the camera resolution.

A couple other questions if you guys(I says this being naive of your genders but am meaning both) don't mind me asking, the really thin cases with a screen protector - how well do they protect from say a 6' drop onto concrete? This 4s being a test is a bit chubby without a case but being that I have neurological issues I sometimes drop things unexpectedly so I picked up a pair of otterbox commuter cases and now the phones w/ cases are nearly .600". Is there a brand that is better than others?

Also, and I guess this goes for any device, are the 'Tempered Glass' screen protectors really tempered glass - I had read on some forum or blog (I can not find it nor remember what site it was on but it did stick out to me) that it was not in fact real 'Tempered Glass' but the 'Tempered Glass 9H' is just marketing hype, but they author never went into what it really was.
 

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I'd stay away from Otterbox, not impressed, and I have had no luck with glass screen protectors, they last me a few days only, then break, I'd suggest a skin instead. Just about any case will reduce or prevent damage from a 6' drop.
 

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I'd stay away from Otterbox, not impressed, and I have had no luck with glass screen protectors, they last me a few days only, then break, I'd suggest a skin instead. Just about any case will reduce or prevent damage from a 6' drop.
Thanks
 

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I'm a guy. My daughter likes Hello Kitty though. :)

I much prefer a glass screen protector. Yes they can break and probably aren't tempered for the cheap ones but go on a lot easier without bubbles, usually have better oleophobic resistance of fingerprints, are easier to clean, better for capacitance, and don't yellow. With plastic films I would have to change them every so often due to wear and tear. With glass I change it if it breaks but otherwise don't have to change it. You can get the cheap glass ones for under $5 on eBay and I have one even on my iPhone 4 (which I just use as an iPod). Ideal is less than 0.3 mm though but for a 4S it probably doesn't matter. Matters more for 6s and 7 (3D Touch).

For cases if you're accident prone, the thicker and sturdier the better, but they don't have to be expensive. There are a bazillion out there.
 

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I'd stay away from Otterbox, not impressed, and I have had no luck with glass screen protectors, they last me a few days only, then break, I'd suggest a skin instead. Just about any case will reduce or prevent damage from a 6' drop.

I've found glass screen protector's life has a lot to do with what case you have on it. I had a case with a small lip and was constantly busting the glass protectors. My latest case has a more substantial lip and I've been using the same protector for over 6mo at least. Glass feels way better if you can keep it protected.
 

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Installed iOS 10.0.1 on my mother-in-law's (and previously my) iPhone 5. It works surprisingly well. Much more responsive than I was expecting. iOS 10 on the iPhone 5 works way better than iOS 9 on the iPhone 4S.

Yeah, I see stuttering and a few lags on the iPhone 5 that I don't see at all on the 7 Plus, but really, the iPhone 5 works just dandy.

Note though I have performance tweaks such as Reduce Motion and Reduce Transparency on, as well as some others, but I had those on for her in iOS 9 too, so it's not as if iOS 10 required new user performance tweaks.