Jummy John's subs from IL to anywhere else

[IndyColtsFan]

Yeh! Bloated programs like... Food Stamps!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...eepening-crisis-traps-Americas-have-nots.html

We have created an entitlement class, which was never the intent of the framers of the Constitution. You can twist their words all you want, but they never intended for the government to be the primary provider for an entire class of people.

Meanwhile, the financial elite is flaunting their wealth again, offshoring what jobs are left as fast as possible, and Righties just luvs the idea of cutting basic services, like police, fire, roads, safety inspections, you name it.

What have the Democrats done to prevent outsourcing? Would that have been NAFTA -- you know, the piece of legislation Clinton signed?

Free trade, as implemented, is wrong. It has cost this country DEARLY. There need to be penalties for those who outsource.

The lame and stupid raving really is astounding. No wonder Germans think we're insane-

You're right, I wish you'd stop.

Figure it out, numbnuts, or let the financial elite eat us all for a snack.

You're the one who literally has no clue. "Tax the rich! Tax the rich!" Guess what? That will not work. We need to increase taxes on EVERYONE, tax capital gains at or above income tax rates, and drastically cut spending on military, stop the unemployment extensions, cut Social Security and Medicare, and cut unnecessary programs or expenditures.

 

[matt0611]

We have created an entitlement class, which was never the intent of the framers of the Constitution. You can twist their words all you want, but they never intended for the government to be the primary provider for an entire class of people.

We waste taxpayer money to pay farmers to NOT farm, pushing food prices higher, and then give people money so they can afford the higher-priced food that we wasted money to create. Brilliant!

Only the government...

 

[K1052]

Free trade, as implemented, is wrong. It has cost this country DEARLY. There need to be penalties for those who outsource.

Protectionism is a failed concept, doubly so in an ever increasingly global economy. We need to find more ways to be competitive without putting the walls up that will just hurt us more.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Protectionism is a failed concept, doubly so in an ever increasingly global economy. We need to find more ways to be competitive without putting the walls up that will just hurt us more.

There is a middle ground that has to be found. That's the key. I don't have the answers unfortunately. You can't compete with people making 50 cents an hour in a place where there are little if any regulations governing worker safety, environmental impact, etc.

 

[Zargon]

Not to sidetrack this thread but I have to agree with a couple things. First, the rolls DO make the hoagie. And the best I have ever had were in Philly. I can't understand why everyone doesn't make theirs the same way. It can't be that difficult. Also, I will point out you can get quality hoagies on either side of PA.

I have never had a JJ hoagie but since there are more than enough places around Pittsburgh to get a top-notch hoagie I don't generally go to chains.

JJ's bread is fantastic and the meat/cheese quality is top notch. They have alimited menu, no hot subs, only 2 types of bread, a white french and a hearty wheat thats loaf style. no fires, just chips as sides.

 

[dainthomas]

Who would move TO Florida? That place is a hole.

 

[SammyJr]

Yeah, that's it. It could never be that the government spends too much money or initiates bloated programs it has no business initiating. I'm glad you made us see the light.

Its not that taxes are too low or that spending is to high. Its that we've allowed industry to be exported to China. Chinese factories and workers pay no American taxes. If most of our goods were made here, we'd have huge increases in tax collections and lower social spending. Its a win for almost everyone.

 

[SammyJr]

Protectionism is a failed concept, doubly so in an ever increasingly global economy. We need to find more ways to be competitive without putting the walls up that will just hurt us more.

I don't see how protectionism could hurt the American worker more than free trade already has. I think your perspective on the issue is shaped by who you care about. Free trade is lovely if you're pulling for the rich guy.

 

[SammyJr]

We have created an entitlement class, which was never the intent of the framers of the Constitution. You can twist their words all you want, but they never intended for the government to be the primary provider for an entire class of people.

Are you talking about the billionaire bailout set or poor Americans who would work at a factory if they weren't all in China?

What have the Democrats done to prevent outsourcing? Would that have been NAFTA -- you know, the piece of legislation Clinton signed?

Nothing.

Free trade, as implemented, is wrong. It has cost this country DEARLY. There need to be penalties for those who outsource.

This.

You're the one who literally has no clue. "Tax the rich! Tax the rich!" Guess what? That will not work. We need to increase taxes on EVERYONE, tax capital gains at or above income tax rates, and drastically cut spending on military, stop the unemployment extensions, cut Social Security and Medicare, and cut unnecessary programs or expenditures.

If most Americans were working fulltime living wage jobs, there would be no need to cut SS or Medicare. And if other countries are a guide, extending Medicare-for-all would be the a huge cost savings for everyone overall.

 

[trenchfoot]

Gee, I wonder if it's the policies of the immensely rich and powerful-backed repubs grabbing ever more of the wealth of the nation for themselves or the poor who have no control over the economy or anything else for that matter that is responsible for the creation of their class?

 

[nick1985]

Gee, I wonder if it's the policies of the immensely rich and powerful-backed repubs grabbing ever more of the wealth of the nation for themselves or the poor who have no control over the economy or anything else for that matter that is responsible for the creation of their class?

Nah, I'll go with liberal Illinois spending too much and going broke.

 

[Trianon]

in congestion

http://www.chicagotribune.com/class...ffic-congestion-0120-20110119,0,4877984.story

Beyond the time it normally would take for an automobile trip in relatively free-flowing traffic, commuters in the Chicago area, including northwest Indiana, spent an additional 70 hours behind the wheel in 2009, the study said.

 

[trenchfoot]

Nah, I'll go with liberal Illinois spending too much and going broke.

I was kind'a hoping you'd say both in the sense that the rich created this class, and as the rich get ever richer the ranks of the poor keep getting larger and larger with no other place to go and getting accustomed to being there, creating a self-feeding loop out that mess, BUT.....I can see where you're coming from on this. It just so happens I don't agree with your logic somehow.

 

[Jiggz]

If you can find any tax increase on the state level that was suppose to "expire" that didn't remain in place that would be great.

It never happens, no mattter the state. Once they get that money, they NEVER let go of it.

Oh yes! WA state tried this last election in trying to institute a personal income tax only to those top 2% bracket but failed big time. I'm happy to say Washingtonians although under heavy pressure from libtards were able to sense the trickery that was forthcoming!

 

[marincounty]

We have created an entitlement class, which was never the intent of the framers of the Constitution. You can twist their words all you want, but they never intended for the government to be the primary provider for an entire class of people.

What have the Democrats done to prevent outsourcing? Would that have been NAFTA -- you know, the piece of legislation Clinton signed?

Free trade, as implemented, is wrong. It has cost this country DEARLY. There need to be penalties for those who outsource.


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Nice of you to bring up Nafta. The one that more Republicans voted for than Democrats.
House vote on Nafta, 102 Democrats for, 132 Republicans for, Democrats 156 against, Republicans 43 against.
So more than 3 times as many Democrats were against Nafta than were Republicans.
What have Republicans done about outsourcing, besides cheerlead?

 

[Jhhnn]

You're the one who literally has no clue. "Tax the rich! Tax the rich!" Guess what? That will not work. We need to increase taxes on EVERYONE, tax capital gains at or above income tax rates, and drastically cut spending on military, stop the unemployment extensions, cut Social Security and Medicare, and cut unnecessary programs or expenditures.

Heh. I already offered that federal income taxes should return to pre-Reagan levels except, perhaps, for those in the lower 40% of incomes. Their share of national income has decreased over the last 30 years, and their buying power has actually fallen.

In order to be politically palatable, tax increases must necessarily start at the top.

And as I've already offered, spending must be reduced as well, just not in the way Repubs think it should be. If we all need to sacrifice, why are those at the top excluded from it?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

NY tried to shake down Golisano from Paychecks. Too damn bad because he gave more to hospitals and educational institutions than the state.

 

[umbrella39]

JJ will raise prices regardless. /shock

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Nice of you to bring up Nafta. The one that more Republicans voted for than Democrats.
House vote on Nafta, 102 Democrats for, 132 Republicans for, Democrats 156 against, Republicans 43 against.
So more than 3 times as many Democrats were against Nafta than were Republicans.
What have Republicans done about outsourcing, besides cheerlead?

I'm sorry, who claimed the Republicans did anything about outsourcing? Definitely not me. The Republicans were wrong on NAFTA. I never said otherwise. However, to act as if the Democrats were innocent bystanders is ridiculous. 40% of them voted for it by your own numbers. Additionally, Clinton signed it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Heh. I already offered that federal income taxes should return to pre-Reagan levels except, perhaps, for those in the lower 40% of incomes. Their share of national income has decreased over the last 30 years, and their buying power has actually fallen.

In order to be politically palatable, tax increases must necessarily start at the top.

And as I've already offered, spending must be reduced as well, just not in the way Repubs think it should be. If we all need to sacrifice, why are those at the top excluded from it?

They absolutely shouldn't be, but you're attacking it wrong. The very idea that labor is penalized more from a tax perspective than an investment is very, very wrong IMO. How capital gains are taxed is the biggest problem and that needs to be fixed. And yes, tax rates are going to have to increase at some point for everyone.

 

[YoungGun21]

So IL had really low taxes for a long long time, now raises them and everybody freaks out? I'd still say we are pretty middle of the pack or even lower half in terms of amount of taxes.

 

[K1052]

Its not that taxes are too low or that spending is to high. Its that we've allowed industry to be exported to China. Chinese factories and workers pay no American taxes. If most of our goods were made here, we'd have huge increases in tax collections and lower social spending. Its a win for almost everyone.

And be totally uncompetitive on the world markets causing our economy to shrink to a fraction of it's former self.

The rest of the world would point and laugh as we imploded behind our walls.

 

[nick1985]

So IL had really low taxes for a long long time, now raises them and everybody freaks out? I'd still say we are pretty middle of the pack or even lower half in terms of amount of taxes.

You dont read well, do you?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31110920&postcount=24

3rd highest is not middle of the pack.

Spin some more

 

[Zargon]

not to mention we pay high fees on everything already

 

[dmcowen674]

Did Jimmy Johns pick a state and move yet?