ForumMaster
Diamond Member
i wish i had those temps here. here, it been hot as hell this month. AC's been churning all summer long an isn't going to stop any time soon.
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JulesMaximus
No Lifer
Um, South Park is a cartoon...
IAteYourMother
Lifer
dumb post.
SilverThief
Diamond Member
They are down here in South Texas where its been 98F for the last 45 days.
Jeff7
Lifer
The unfortunate thing about this whole mess is that there isn't any perfectly good way of seeing the overall trend of this planet's climate. Sure we've got stuff like ice cores, but they only give a very small, well, "slice" of the planet's history, and only from a very small region.
Example: Text
Say that's a chart of Earth's average temperature over a span of a million or billion years, or even a chart of the Sun's output. The highlighted red zone is the portion that we've been able to measure with a fair level of accuracy.
That red zone encompasses a portion where the temperatures are consistently rising, and from that, we will thus predict a continued trend like that.
The problem is, you can't really predict a trend from what may very well simply be noise. To get a good trend, you need a much larger sampling, which is something we can't get.
However, we can try to make predictions. There's the whole carbon dioxide issue. Carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared frequencies. This can be measured and observed.
The question there is, is our contribution enough to cause problems? Sure, nature puts out its own CO2 on a regular basis, and nature has had a long time to make changes to accommodate that. We're putting CO2, which had effectively been locked away millions of years ago, back into the atmosphere, and we're doing so at an increasing rate.
Is it enough? The best way to know would be to have a second planet, otherwise identical to Earth, and do experiments, using this second planet as the "control group." That of course presents some minor logistics problems. So, we do the best we can with the tools and information that we do have.
Example: Text
Say that's a chart of Earth's average temperature over a span of a million or billion years, or even a chart of the Sun's output. The highlighted red zone is the portion that we've been able to measure with a fair level of accuracy.
That red zone encompasses a portion where the temperatures are consistently rising, and from that, we will thus predict a continued trend like that.
The problem is, you can't really predict a trend from what may very well simply be noise. To get a good trend, you need a much larger sampling, which is something we can't get.
However, we can try to make predictions. There's the whole carbon dioxide issue. Carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared frequencies. This can be measured and observed.
The question there is, is our contribution enough to cause problems? Sure, nature puts out its own CO2 on a regular basis, and nature has had a long time to make changes to accommodate that. We're putting CO2, which had effectively been locked away millions of years ago, back into the atmosphere, and we're doing so at an increasing rate.
Is it enough? The best way to know would be to have a second planet, otherwise identical to Earth, and do experiments, using this second planet as the "control group." That of course presents some minor logistics problems. So, we do the best we can with the tools and information that we do have.
Analog
Lifer
That's just it, global warming is a religion, you can't prove it, and you can't argue against it. Everything is global warming. If I told you my pet guinea pig got a bladder infection, you could argue that its because of global warming...
That's not a stretch. Here are two 'facts' that have passed as truth by the religion of global warming:
1. Greater CO2 causes more poison ivy to grow, increasing health care costs.
2. Global warming will increase the incidence of kidney stones.
Don't believe it? Google it as NEWS and find out for yourself.
:roll:
DaveSimmons
Elite Member
Are you also a Birther, Analog?
Even mainstream Republicans have given up on climate change denial, they've shifted to arguing there's nothing to be done without spending too much money.
Even mainstream Republicans have given up on climate change denial, they've shifted to arguing there's nothing to be done without spending too much money.
DaveSimmons
Elite Member
Did you know the new health card bill will pay doctors to kill old folks? It's true!
"Keep your government interference out of my medicare!" - UHC foe
"Keep your government interference out of my medicare!" - UHC foe
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