Judge strikes down FDA ban on ephedra

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: armatron
so where can it be bought now?

it'll probably take a week or two for the manufactuers to wipe the dust off the extra inventory. Expect ephedra prices to be high.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Glad to hear this. My fiancee uses it to treat her seasonal allergies, oddly enough.

that is it's "purpose" in Traditional Chinese Medicine . . . not as a "energy booster"

Aspirin is more "dangerous" than Ephedra

Ditto.

You can OD on almost anything is your stupid enough to take too much of it.

Koing

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Glad to hear this. My fiancee uses it to treat her seasonal allergies, oddly enough.

that is it's "purpose" in Traditional Chinese Medicine . . . not as a "energy booster"

Aspirin is more "dangerous" than Ephedra

The stuff really helped her where none of the OTC drugs would. I need to e-mail her to let her know, if she hasn't heard about it already.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Glad to hear this. My fiancee uses it to treat her seasonal allergies, oddly enough.

that is it's "purpose" in Traditional Chinese Medicine . . . not as a "energy booster"

Aspirin is more "dangerous" than Ephedra

The stuff really helped her where none of the OTC drugs would. I need to e-mail her to let her know, if she hasn't heard about it already.

evidently is still isn't available in the USA . . . . the FDA is appealing the decision . . . . might be a long time.

There are synthetic drugs that "copy" ephedra that are available to MDs that might help your GF.

 

[DJFuji]

it was a retarded ban in the first place. If they were going to ban it, why not ban sudafed as well? Or hell, ban sleeping pills and aspirin too because if you take the whole bottle of either, you're sure to die or come close and we CAN'T have that happen. My feeling is we just remove the warning lables from everything and let natural selection take its course so that we have fewer idiots procreating.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I found it interesting they classify ephedra as a food, not a drug.

Judge Tena Campbell agreed, saying federal law places more restrictive rules on the FDA in determining whether to ban foods as opposed to drugs. The judge said the law requires the FDA to prove that a dietary supplement is harmful, rather than having the manufacturer prove it is safe, as is required with drugs.

Well, yes, it's a naturally-occurring plant-based substance, is it not?

Maybe the courts will strike down certain hemp-based plants too, from being banned. (Many argue that the original ban was likewise unlawful in a similar fashion.) IMHO, "weed" never killed anyone, although overuse sure makes some people stupid. (It could be argued either way, in that it was the overuse, rather than the substance used, that had that eventual effect. I'm a bit undecided on that matter personally, having seen both acquaintances that use, and seem to maintain a healthy and productive lifestyle, and those that abuse, and live a somewhat pathetic life. Then again, it could be argued that they would have the pathetic life regardless, and that they simply overuse, as a crutch, and if not that, then something else as a crutch. At least it doesn't rot your liver, and cause you to risk killing someone while driving.)

Then again, "coke" is a naturally-occurring plant-based substance too. So I dunno. (Isn't ephedra somehow distantly-related to the substances in "coke" too? I'm no organic-chem major.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: AndrewR
Wow, some commonsense in the judiciary on an inflammatory issue? I'm shocked!

But was it really "commonsense", or just pandering to their local constituencies? That's probably a good question.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I found it interesting they classify ephedra as a food, not a drug.

Judge Tena Campbell agreed, saying federal law places more restrictive rules on the FDA in determining whether to ban foods as opposed to drugs. The judge said the law requires the FDA to prove that a dietary supplement is harmful, rather than having the manufacturer prove it is safe, as is required with drugs.

Well, yes, it's a naturally-occurring plant-based substance, is it not?

Maybe the courts will strike down certain hemp-based plants too, from being banned. (Many argue that the original ban was likewise unlawful in a similar fashion.) IMHO, "weed" never killed anyone, although overuse sure makes some people stupid. (It could be argued either way, in that it was the overuse, rather than the substance used, that had that eventual effect. I'm a bit undecided on that matter personally, having seen both acquaintances that use, and seem to maintain a healthy and productive lifestyle, and those that abuse, and live a somewhat pathetic life. Then again, it could be argued that they would have the pathetic life regardless, and that they simply overuse, as a crutch, and if not that, then something else as a crutch. At least it doesn't rot your liver, and cause you to risk killing someone while driving.)

Then again, "coke" is a naturally-occurring plant-based substance too. So I dunno. (Isn't ephedra somehow distantly-related to the substances in "coke" too? I'm no organic-chem major.)

there is a pretty big difference between extracting cocaine from Coca leaves and using the crude herb marijuana.

Cocaine is extracted using (dangerous/strong) solvent chemicals to get a pure substance . . . . 99% of the plant matter is removed to get a highly concentrated drug - far removed from nature. OTOH, the active ingredents in Cannabis are (pre) concentrated by the plant with no extraction needed - just drying before use.

The active ingredents in Coca are unique to the plant (unlike caffeine which is found in many plants).

Anyway, don't expect to see Ephedra on sale in the USA anytime soon - if ever.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I found it interesting they classify ephedra as a food, not a drug.

Judge Tena Campbell agreed, saying federal law places more restrictive rules on the FDA in determining whether to ban foods as opposed to drugs. The judge said the law requires the FDA to prove that a dietary supplement is harmful, rather than having the manufacturer prove it is safe, as is required with drugs.

That's how all dietary supplements get away with not having to prove safety or effectiveness.

I mean, think about it... "Dietary supplement". Diet == food, yes?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Anyway, don't expect to see Ephedra on sale in the USA anytime soon - if ever.

So what, you can still purchase Ephedrine HCL in 25mg pills

 

[Nimloth]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: apoppin

Anyway, don't expect to see Ephedra on sale in the USA anytime soon - if ever.

So what, you can still purchase Ephedrine HCL in 25mg pills

Wrong

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nimloth

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: apoppin

Anyway, don't expect to see Ephedra on sale in the USA anytime soon - if ever.

So what, you can still purchase Ephedrine HCL in 25mg pills

Wrong

I can walk right around the corner and buy a bottle of it for $5 for a local convenience store if I wanted too, at least here is Boston.

 

[TekDemon]

Speaking of which, apparently there are laws (depending on where you are) about purchasing Ephedrine...I was at my local Sam's club and found it weird that they didn't have certain drugs (like sudafed) but had everything else, except anything containing Ephedrine was limited to some count. I guess they didn't want people buying a ton of it?
I was thinking that maybe there was some illicit use for them, but maybe it was just part of the general ban.

I'm pretty sure that's how ephedra would treat your allergies...kinda like Sudafed would. Anyways, I don't think it's a good idea to pop pills to lose weight, regardless of how harmful ephedra may or may not be, it's just not really the best way to go about it. And if you're just taking it to get more muscle definition, well, reasons of extreme vanity aren't much better, lol.

At the end of the day though, if you really want to boost your metabolism you could just pop an obscene number of caffiene pills and it'd help get you definition too and lose weight too...of course, you'll also feel insanely jittery and not be able to sleep. Oh well.

And if Ephedra is really as related to Sudafed as it seems to be, then taking a lot of it might have unfortunate side effects for your allergies if you stop taking it.

 

[tami]

108 degrees :shocked:

 

[apoppin]

Ephedrene is not Ephedra. Ephedrene is the synthetic drug. Ephedra is the plant [MaHuang].
The plant is [still] banned.
:roll:

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: TekDemon
Speaking of which, apparently there are laws (depending on where you are) about purchasing Ephedrine...I was at my local Sam's club and found it weird that they didn't have certain drugs (like sudafed) but had everything else, except anything containing Ephedrine was limited to some count. I guess they didn't want people buying a ton of it?
I was thinking that maybe there was some illicit use for them, but maybe it was just part of the general ban.

Ephedrine is a convenient starting material for synthesizing some illegal drugs.

 

[Al Neri]

wait wait will xenadrine with ephedra be back on the market???

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: Mr N8

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Glad to hear this. My fiancee uses it to treat her seasonal allergies, oddly enough.

that is it's "purpose" in Traditional Chinese Medicine . . . not as a "energy booster"

Aspirin is more "dangerous" than Ephedra

Really? I'm just short of going in to see an Allergy Specialist, because Allegra, Tylenol Allergy, etc don't get the job done. What kind of allergies does it help?

I know I'm ressurecting an old post but I've been considering going on an ECA stack myself.

Anyways as far as your question goes, taking herbal Ephedra doesn't really help the allergies themselves, but it helps by constricting blood vessels so you don't have as much mucus.

In fact, the two active chemicals in Ephedra are Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine, so if taking Sudafed or one of the Ephedrine containing OTC drugs hasn't helped you, Ephedra won't do anything either.

That said, Sudafed is great...if it weren't for it I'd have been all clogged up this week.

Apparently NY state still has Ephedra banned since there's a state ban so I can't get ahold of it =( But I've been considering building a "PCA" stack with Sudafed since apparently it has similar properties-just weaker.

 

[rh71]

time to sue for lost sales !