Judge says 14 yr old rape victim wasn't a virgin so not really a rape victim? Wtf?

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Apparently this female judge even alarmed her peers who thought what she said was way out there, and could damage other rape victims from coming forward. Gave adult male a light sentence after he admitted raping the girl, and he doesn't have to register as a sex offender, because the girl wasn't a virgin at the time of the rape. Wow...

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Dallas County News

A man sentenced to five years probation by a Dallas County judge after admitting he raped a 14-year-old girl won’t have to follow many of the restrictions typically given to sex offenders.
And the judge who issued the light sentence said Thursday that she did so in part because the girl wasn’t a virgin and “wasn’t the victim she claimed to be.”
State District Judge Jeanine Howard, who gave 20-year-old Sir Young deferred probation last week, also altered Young’s probation requirements. As a result, Young does not have to stay away from children, attend sex offender treatment, undergo a sex offender evaluation or refrain from watching pornography.
While not required by law, these are typical probation requirements for rapists that are intended to prevent future victims and rehabilitate offenders.
District Attorney Craig Watkins said Thursday that his prosecutors would “always fight for our most vulnerable victims” like the one in this case. It is rare for prosecutors to critique a judge’s actions, but Watkins said he was “alarmed” by Howard’s decision.
“This young lady was 14 at the time she was sexually assaulted at school, and we cannot send the wrong message to rape victims who have the courage to seek justice,” Watkins said. “I am disappointed the judge would choose to give the defendant probation after he admitted guilt, but even more alarmed the judge failed to impose standard sex offender conditions of probation designed to protect society.”
Howard, a Democrat who will be unopposed in November as she seeks a third term, said in an interview late Thursday with The Dallas Morning News that she planned to recuse herself from the case so she could speak about her decision. Another judge will be assigned to hear the case.
Howard said she made her decision for several reasons, including: The girl had texted Young asking him to spend time with her; the girl had agreed to have sex with him but just didn’t want to at school; medical records show the girl had three sexual partners and had given birth to a baby; and Young was barely 18 at the time.
“She wasn’t the victim she claimed to be,” Howard said. “He is not your typical sex offender.”
Howard added that she thought she was “doing a good thing” with her sentence and said Young does not need to undergo polygraphs.
“There are rape cases that deserve life. There are rape cases that deserve 20 years,” Howard said. “Every now and then you have one of those that deserve probation. This is one of those and I stand by it.
“My job is not to make people happy. My job is to follow the Constitution and do the right thing. I will always do the right thing.”
Young had faced a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.
‘Stop’ and ‘no’
The victim, who is now 17, told The News on Thursday night that she feels it would have been better if she had never come forward about the 2011 assault. She and Young testified last week at his trial that she had told Young “stop” and “no” numerous times before and during the attack at Booker T. Washington High School for the Performing and Visual Arts, where both were students.
“I did what I was supposed to do. I went to the law about this situation,” she said. The judge’s probation sentence and the removal of the restrictions — “that says everything I went through was for nothing.”
“It would have been better for me not to say anything,” said the girl, who is not being identified because The Dallas Morning News does not typically identify victims of sex crimes.
The district attorney’s office said it plans to file a motion asking for the terms of probation to be reconsidered.
But Young’s defense attorney, Scottie Allen, said the judge acted correctly. He said the case involved “two kids messing around at school” but agreed that Young did rape the girl.
“Legally, he is now a sex offender, but looking at the underlying facts and circumstances, those conditions are not warranted,” Allen said. “We cannot treat every case the same.”
Young pleaded guilty to raping the girl in a music practice room at the school when he was 18. The girl testified that the two had discussed sex but all she wanted to do was kiss. During the trial, where Young pleaded guilty and Howard decided his punishment, the judge asked several times about whether the girl cried. The girl testified that she did not cry during the attack but cried afterward.
45 days in jail
Young does have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life and must stay away from the girl. He is spending 45 days in jail as a condition of probation and must spend the anniversary of the rape — Oct. 4 — in jail for the five years he is on probation.
If Young complies with the terms of his five-year probation, he will not have a criminal conviction on his record.
Howard also initially ordered Young to do 250 hours of community service at a rape crisis center. But the Dallas Area Rape Crisis Center does not want him to complete his hours there.
Howard said she never intended for Young to work with rape victims. She said her decision to order his hours to be performed there was “spur of the moment.” She had thought he could mop floors, mow the lawn or cook.
It had not been decided Thursday where Young would do community service.
Young testified last week that he had a job that was to begin this week. But he did not give any details except to say his boss knew about his legal troubles. He also testified that he is engaged and his fiancée is pregnant. They plan to get married on her birthday in November.
Young also apologized to the girl and her family during the trial.
The girl said Thursday that she hopes a judge will rethink Young’s terms of probation.
“I really hope she reconsiders,” the girl said. “I don’t think that was a wise idea.”
The girl’s mother said it seems like the judge “didn’t want to ruin” Young’s life.
“But what about my daughter’s life?”
 

Oldgamer

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Well she decided to judge the girl because she had a previous baby, and wasn't a virgin. The girl and guy said they talked about meeting and having sex, but the girl decided she didn't want to, and the guy who raped her admitted she only wanted to kiss, but forced her anyway. Yet this judge decides to judge the girl. What happened to a girl saying "no" and it being considered rape? I don't know I think this judge is wrong, and it sends the wrong message to rape victims.
 

glenn1

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Wow, the Republican's War on Women™ even includes female Democratic judges now. I had no idea exactly how successful they were.
 

nehalem256

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Must be part of those evil Republicans and their war on women.

State District Judge Jeanine Howard,
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Howard, a Democrat

Uh oh :hmm:


Apparently this female judge even alarmed her peers who thought what she said was way out there, and could damage other rape victims from coming forward. Gave adult male a light sentence after he admitted raping the girl, and he doesn't have to register as a sex offender, because the girl wasn't a virgin at the time of the rape. Wow...

I take it you didn't really read the article:
Howard said she made her decision for several reasons, including: The girl had texted Young asking him to spend time with her; the girl had agreed to have sex with him but just didn’t want to at school; medical records show the girl had three sexual partners and had given birth to a baby; and Young was barely 18 at the time.
“She wasn’t the victim she claimed to be,” Howard said. “He is not your typical sex offender.”
Howard added that she thought she was “doing a good thing” with her sentence and said Young does not need to undergo

But Young’s defense attorney, Scottie Allen, said the judge acted correctly. He said the case involved “two kids messing around at school” but agreed that Young did rape the girl.
“Legally, he is now a sex offender, but looking at the underlying facts and circumstances, those conditions are not warranted,” Allen said. “We cannot treat every case the same.”
Young pleaded guilty to raping the girl in a music practice room at the school when he was 18.

So

(1) He didn't get off because she wasn't a virgin

(2) He didn't admit to raping her
 

thraashman

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(2) He didn't admit to raping her

From what I can find when you plead guilty (which he did) as part of a bargain you have to admit to performing the crime. The article does at least mention that his lawyer admits he raped the girl. Regardless of political affiliation, this judge blew it. Regardless of any previous action a girl has to give consent to the current act. Hell, if they'd had sex the day before consensually and he forced himself on her this day it would still be rape because she said no.
 

nehalem256

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From what I can find when you plead guilty (which he did) as part of a bargain you have to admit to performing the crime. The article does at least mention that his lawyer admits he raped the girl. Regardless of political affiliation, this judge blew it. Regardless of any previous action a girl has to give consent to the current act. Hell, if they'd had sex the day before consensually and he forced himself on her this day it would still be rape because she said no.

Not really:
But Young’s defense attorney, Scottie Allen, said the judge acted correctly. He said the case involved “two kids messing around at school” but agreed that Young did rape the girl.
“Legally, he is now a sex offender, but looking at the underlying facts and circumstances, those conditions are not warranted,”

All he admitted was "legally he is now a sex offender". No where does he admit a rape occurred. And in fact the bolded would seem to pretty much be the opposite.
 

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Wow, the Republican's War on Women™ even includes female Democratic judges now. I had no idea exactly how successful they were.

Go away troll, this thread isn't about Dems or Repubs.. go take a jump off a building somewhere and do everyone a favor..
 

thraashman

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Not really:


All he admitted was "legally he is now a sex offender". No where does he admit a rape occurred. And in fact the bolded would seem to pretty much be the opposite.

But Young’s defense attorney, Scottie Allen, said the judge acted correctly. He said the case involved “two kids messing around at school” but agreed that Young did rape the girl.
“Legally, he is now a sex offender, but looking at the underlying facts and circumstances, those conditions are not warranted,”

How do you miss the very next line from the one you bolded?
 

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Wow, the Republican's War on Women™ even includes female Democratic judges now. I had no idea exactly how successful they were.

Cool.

Then the Democrates recently arrested for whatever crimes they commited are Republicans.

Wow - this is easy!! I can see why you've chosen this path!!
 

Pulsar

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How do you miss the very next line from the one you bolded?

EDITTED: Removed portion where I stated it didn't appear to be rape. Article states she told him no, which is rape pure and simple. However - there are degrees to a crime.

Looks to me like the judge was right, and the OP and the person who wrote the article both have an agenda.
 
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I read it as Statutory rape. He was 18, she was 14. She had already had multiple sexual partners, had already HAD A BABY, and agreed (wanted) to have sex with him.

This isn't RAPE - it's "rape". Where they both wanted it and the 14 year old sure as hell knew everything there was to know about it. You can't even say she was naive - she appears to enjoy sex.

Looks to me like the judge was right, and the OP and the person who wrote the article both have an agenda.

Just because someone has had sex doesn't mean they're up for it anytime, even with someone that they're attracted to. That's some f#$%ed up logic you have.
 

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I read it as Statutory rape. He was 18, she was 14. She had already had multiple sexual partners, had already HAD A BABY, and agreed (wanted) to have sex with him.

This isn't RAPE - it's "rape". Where they both wanted it and the 14 year old sure as hell knew everything there was to know about it. You can't even say she was naive - she appears to enjoy sex.

Looks to me like the judge was right, and the OP and the person who wrote the article both have an agenda.

I agree and think there's more to this story than what being told. As I find it hard to believe that a Judge, much less a female Judge would be sympathetic with the defendant in a rape case.
 

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I read it as Statutory rape. He was 18, she was 14. She had already had multiple sexual partners, had already HAD A BABY, and agreed (wanted) to have sex with him.

This isn't RAPE - it's "rape". Where they both wanted it and the 14 year old sure as hell knew everything there was to know about it. You can't even say she was naive - she appears to enjoy sex.

Looks to me like the judge was right, and the OP and the person who wrote the article both have an agenda.

by that logic a married woman can't be raped by her spouse then either.. right? sigh...
 

thraashman

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I read it as Statutory rape. He was 18, she was 14. She had already had multiple sexual partners, had already HAD A BABY, and agreed (wanted) to have sex with him.

This isn't RAPE - it's "rape". Where they both wanted it and the 14 year old sure as hell knew everything there was to know about it. You can't even say she was naive - she appears to enjoy sex.

Looks to me like the judge was right, and the OP and the person who wrote the article both have an agenda.
Um, when she says no and stop it's fucking rape. Not "rape".
She and Young testified last week at his trial that she had told Young “stop” and “no” numerous times before and during the attack at Booker T. Washington High School for the Performing and Visual Arts, where both were students.
 

Pulsar

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I agree and think there's more to this story than what being told. As I find it hard to believe that a Judge, much less a female Judge would be sympathetic with the defendant in a rape case.

Exactly my thinking. The article in question is poorly written and very light on facts, so we're left to try to piece together the events and the reasoning. It's really little more than a hack job. For instance - why does political party even get mentioned in a story like that?

Unfortunately (and par for the course) many folks will be more than ready to hang the defendant based on the tone of the article, assuming from those brief few paragraphs that they can judge the merits of the trial better than the judge who presided.
 

Pulsar

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Um, when she says no and stop it's fucking rape. Not "rape".

I read that portion a bit later, buried in the article. So I agree - it was rape. But I'm a big believer in degree as well, and I still stand by the idea that there's a lot more to this story than we know. There always is.
 

thraashman

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I didn't miss it. The lawyer didn't say that. That is the article writers interpretation of what the lawyer said.

Read the actual quotes of what the lawyer said.
Another article on this case

He very much admitted to the rape.
In a police interview, Sir Young admitted that he had raped a 14-year-old girl in 2011 at Booker T. Washington High School for the Performing and Visual Arts when he was 18.

“I hate to have that on my plate. But that’s rape,” he told police.

Also this judge is a complete fucking idiot. She wants a person who committed rape to work with rape victims at a rape crisis center. That's like telling a child molester his probation should include working at a daycare!
 

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I thought this was going to be Sat. Rape at first, in which case I think the sentence would make sense. But it appears this is real rape, and the judge is nuts. If she says stop and no, it doesn't matter if she was just gangbanged by the whole football team, after that put it is rape.
 

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Rape in the statutory sense (sex with a person over 3 years younger) or in the aggressive sense?

None of these articles provide enough information to know. Again I find it odd that a Judge and a woman Judge at that chose not to convict him of rape. I would have expected a woman Judge to have thrown the book at him.