Judge rules paper money unfair to blind

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: orakle
The "new" series of Canadian bills has the value imprinted in Braille. This can't be that expensive to implement.

new?

we've been doing that for 10 years now.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: mugs
I'll give you the first two, but there are still plenty of stores that don't take credit cards, mostly non-chains. What blows my mind is that people are so intent on making a point of NOT accomodating blind people when it is an easy thing to do. That deserves an eye roll. :roll:

Changing the nation's currency isn't an easy thing to do. Every vending machine, every atm, every automated payment machine, every cash register, etc. etc. etc. will become obsolete and have to be replaced. And you think that will be easy?

And for what? When the simplier answer is to have the blind use a credit card. I don't there is a single store, restaurant, market, bar, etc. etc. etc. in my town that doesn't accept credit cards.

Get a freakin' clue, seriously.

The whole world is shifting AWAY from cash. We're moving to credit cards, debit cards, automatic deposits, instant bank transfers, transit systems all moving to swipe cards, I could go on forever with how much people do not need to use cash anymore to get by in life.

So why have you still not given one freakin' arguement why it would be feasible to change the national currency and replace out every piece of equipment in the country that depends on cash being a specific size. Your one arguement saying "it's easy to do" is wrong. Figure out another one.

If anything, I think it would stimulate the economy a bit. The fact is that it HAS to be changed unless someone can manage an appeal against this. Most ATMs are replaced bi-annually or so anyway because they get so worn down and new security flaws are discovered. So yeah, it's going to require effort to change things, but no matter what you do things are going to need updating, because those vending machines and automated cash registers are going to need new equipment to prevent new fraudulent bills from coming through.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: orakle
The "new" series of Canadian bills has the value imprinted in Braille. This can't be that expensive to implement.

new?

we've been doing that for 10 years now.

I guess that's what the quotey-fingers style quotation marks hint at.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: TheoPetro

Originally posted by: txrandom
We should make cars for the blind too..it's only fair.

there are already cars for female drivers just look at the civic

The only good car for a female drive is no car at all.

said the guys who can't spell properly

 

[chambersc]

This was an argument that's taken place on my classes discussion board, regarding this issue (see: Poli sci pre-law seniors in a pre-law undergrad course)...mind you, I interact with this person everyday in class:

posted by him
Well yeah, that is already going on, debit cards and credit cards. The process could take
many years, but it has started.

Blind people need some way of knowing that they are getting the correct amount of
change. So why not just give them a reciept in brail? You would not have to change the
currency, but you could make businessed produce reciepts in brail. If anybody tried to
alter the amount deserved and the amount recieved, than the system would detect it and
that person would be fired.

People could also try to be a little nicer too, that might help, not stealing from blind folks.

Most blind people know where they keep their money in their wallet, they have a set up
so they know the difference between currencies. Nevertheless, getting short changed
remains on the honor system.

my retort
Relying on a system that merely fires those employees that do ill to the
blind and/or relying on the hope and wishes of "people could also try to
be a little nicer ..." isn't a sound economic strategy to run one's
life, let alone an entire nation. The rose colored glasses will surely
fall from your face soon enough and you will see that the egalitarian
ethic is at best passe and at worst dumb.

his counter
By the way, I don't think that blind people care about changing the money, I think that
they're happy either way. They probably don't value money like you Mr. Chambersc you
passe egalitarian d*che b*g.

my reply
Mr. Cortese (him) states: "I don't think that blind people care about changing
the money, I think that they're happy either way."

If this is the case, why did the "American Council of the Blind" sue
Henry M. Paulson, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury? Mr. Cortese, have you
not read anything about the issue and are merely acting on your primal
"knee-jerk" reactions? Has your disdain for rational thought and
critical thinking that you've copiously illustrated throughout this
course finally consumed your being and now you've devolved into some
"Hulk smash" mentality where you need to resort to personal insults and
inarticulate utterances in a vain attempt to empower yourself?

Regarding your syntax, I'd suggest you critically evaluate -- assuming
you possess such faculties -- your latter sentence. You say, "They
probably don't value money like you [sic] Mr. Chambers [sic] you passe
egalitarian d*che [sic] b*g. [sic]" In the former part of that sentence,
are you illiterately suggesting that they (blind folk on the whole?)
don't value money like me? How do you know how much they value money
compared to me? As to the latter part of the sentence, you fail
miserably at using my words against me. By calling me a "passe
egalitarian d*che [sic] b*g, [sic]" it's clear-as-day that you don't
even comprehend any part of my argument. To simplify the words for you,
I'm railing against your egalitarian-esque suggestion in your previous
post. Finally, do you assume the readers of this discussion board to
have the mental intellect of a 12 year old? If you've already writen up
this cursory yet vivacious post, why not put the full "douche bag" words
in your insult?

 

[BlancoNino]

What about people who are blind AND have no feeling in their skin? Brail on dollar bills just wouldn't be fair enough...the only real solution is to somehow have the currency telepathically communicate the amount of money the person is holding into their brain. Oh, but wait....what about those who are literally retarded and don't understand how much money is worth? Not fair to them either. Hopefully this judge doesn't just draw the line at blind people.

 

[Insomniator]

Just one more example of this country slowly (maybe not that slowly actually) going straight down the tubes. First democrats get control.. now this.

 

[Czar]

wow, its just amazing how many people are insensitive idiots

 

[Quasmo]

Why do you have $100 bills all over your face.... oh wait... you didnt shave.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What about people who are blind AND have no feeling in their skin? Brail on dollar bills just wouldn't be fair enough...the only real solution is to somehow have the currency telepathically communicate the amount of money the person is holding into their brain. Oh, but wait....what about those who are literally retarded and don't understand how much money is worth? Not fair to them either. Hopefully this judge doesn't just draw the line at blind people.

Wow - are you completely unable to form a logical argument without the use of a fallacy?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What about people who are blind AND have no feeling in their skin? Brail on dollar bills just wouldn't be fair enough...the only real solution is to somehow have the currency telepathically communicate the amount of money the person is holding into their brain. Oh, but wait....what about those who are literally retarded and don't understand how much money is worth? Not fair to them either. Hopefully this judge doesn't just draw the line at blind people.

Read the rest of the thread, this one has been discussed.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: orakle
The "new" series of Canadian bills has the value imprinted in Braille. This can't be that expensive to implement.

new?

we've been doing that for 10 years now.

I guess that's what the quotey-fingers style quotation marks hint at.

in the last 2 years all of the bills have been changed over to a new style for security reasons. So new bills means just that; they came out very recently.

But the braille thing has been out for a decade.

 

[lykaon78]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: dquan97
Judge says Treasury Department is violating the law by keeping all money the same size and feel.
November 28 2006: 6:10 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S. Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired people.

Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American Council of the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to tell bills apart.

The judge wrote that the current configuration of paper money violates the Rehabilitation Act's guarantee of "meaningful access."

"It can no longer be successfully argued that a blind person has 'meaningful access' to currency if she cannot accurately identify paper money without assistance," Robertson wrote in his ruling.

He further ruled that finding a solution to the problem would not be an "undue burden" on the government and ordered the Treasury Department to begin working on a solution within 30 days.
The American Council for the Blind has submitted several alternatives, including embossing, holes punched in the paper or using different-sized bills for different denominations.

The Treasury Department had no comment on the ruling.

seriously, does his power reaches the treasury dept. and order them to do something? what if he said that the green on the dollar is bad and the TD must change the color? i dont think he can... but i could be wrong.

Do you understand what a judge does? Congress passes laws, judges interpret them. Congress passed this "Rehabilitation Act," and the judge ruled that the Rehabilitation Act's provision of meaningful access applied to the treasury department in this case. Judges can't just make up whatever laws they want.

Your logic is fairly naive. By ruling the way he did the judge has essentially "legislated" the way the treasurery department must print money. Show me where congress had any intention of this outcome let alone direct wording in the Rehabilitation Actthat pertains in the slightest way to currency.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
What about blind people that have also lost both of their hands? We can't discriminate against them by using braille.

We'll have to give it different flavors. Oh wait...

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
Just one more example of this country slowly (maybe not that slowly actually) going straight down the tubes. First democrats get control.. now this.

Democrats don't get control for another 2 months.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: lykaon78

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: dquan97
Judge says Treasury Department is violating the law by keeping all money the same size and feel.
November 28 2006: 6:10 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S. Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired people.

Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American Council of the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to tell bills apart.

The judge wrote that the current configuration of paper money violates the Rehabilitation Act's guarantee of "meaningful access."

"It can no longer be successfully argued that a blind person has 'meaningful access' to currency if she cannot accurately identify paper money without assistance," Robertson wrote in his ruling.

He further ruled that finding a solution to the problem would not be an "undue burden" on the government and ordered the Treasury Department to begin working on a solution within 30 days.
The American Council for the Blind has submitted several alternatives, including embossing, holes punched in the paper or using different-sized bills for different denominations.

The Treasury Department had no comment on the ruling.

seriously, does his power reaches the treasury dept. and order them to do something? what if he said that the green on the dollar is bad and the TD must change the color? i dont think he can... but i could be wrong.

Do you understand what a judge does? Congress passes laws, judges interpret them. Congress passed this "Rehabilitation Act," and the judge ruled that the Rehabilitation Act's provision of meaningful access applied to the treasury department in this case. Judges can't just make up whatever laws they want.

Your logic is fairly naive. By ruling the way he did the judge has essentially "legislated" the way the treasurery department must print money. Show me where congress had any intention of this outcome let alone direct wording in the Rehabilitation Actthat pertains in the slightest way to currency.

Correct. His interpretation is quite naive. The judiciary also makes law, through appellate decisions, called "judge made law."