Judge: Parents can't teach pagan beliefs

[Yo Ma Ma]

Strange case.. the judge is outside bounds I would agree. I guess his 'in' is because the parents are divorced.. yet both parents agree on the subject of the religion to be taught, that is what is confusing to me.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

Who made YOU that person? Oh yeah.. no one..

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

Who made YOU that person? Oh yeah.. no one..

WTF is that supposed to mean? You support a judge trampling on someone's freedom of religion?

I suppose if it was a fundie who was told not to teach their child their religion you'd be all over the place wailing in outrage.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, and, btw, might want to add in that one of the biggest "mainstream religions" is based upon lies and deceit. That being Christianity.

Was this troll the purpose of the thread or is the case in question the purpose?

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[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

Who made YOU that person? Oh yeah.. no one..

Funny, I didn't see where he said he was in that post.

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

Edit: this ruling does not necessarily conflict with the bill of rights. The courts are free to interpret the amendments how they will. It could interpreted that the bill of rights simply means that there will not be an official denomination of Christianity. I don't believe the forefathers intended it to apply to non Christians/Jews/Muslims.

 

[conjur]

Oh good grief. :roll:

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

I think you pretty much represent everything wrong with this country, and I will pray for your removal from this nation or this life...for the benefit of all mankind. God help us if ignorant egocentric a$$e$ like you ever manage to breed. 8-(

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

I think you pretty much represent everything wrong with this country, and I will pray for your removal from this nation or this life...for the benefit of all mankind. God help us if ignorant egocentric a$$e$ like you ever manage to breed. 8-(

You can sling personal attacks, but you can't deny what I have said. And last time I checked, "ignorant egocentric a$$e$" like me are in charge of this country. I may be young, but there are millions just like me, and we will inherit the power.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

Edit: this ruling does not necessarily conflict with the bill of rights. The courts are free to interpret the amendments how they will. It could interpreted that the bill of rights simply means that there will not be an official denomination of Christianity. I don't believe the forefathers intended it to apply to non Christians/Jews/Muslims.

YOU GOTS TO BE KIDDING ME?!?! You seriously want judges to be evaluating any/every household for a child or children to be brought up method approved by the state? The forefathers didn't leave out which religion they embraced/approved of by accident, you know. Many of them were not Christian, Jew or Muslim.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

I think you pretty much represent everything wrong with this country, and I will pray for your removal from this nation or this life...for the benefit of all mankind. God help us if ignorant egocentric a$$e$ like you ever manage to breed. 8-(

You can sling personal attacks, but you can't deny what I have said. And last time I checked, "ignorant egocentric a$$e$" like me are in charge of this country. I may be young, but there are millions just like me, and we will inherit the power.

Only if you can prevent others who don't believe as you do from voting.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: robertcloud
You can sling personal attacks, but you can't deny what I have said. And last time I checked, "ignorant egocentric a$$e$" like me are in charge of this country. I may be young, but there are millions just like me, and we will inherit the power.

You're obviously a parody poster. Give it up.

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: Yo Ma Ma

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

Edit: this ruling does not necessarily conflict with the bill of rights. The courts are free to interpret the amendments how they will. It could interpreted that the bill of rights simply means that there will not be an official denomination of Christianity. I don't believe the forefathers intended it to apply to non Christians/Jews/Muslims.

YOU GOTS TO BE KIDDING ME?!?! You seriously want judges to be evaluating any/every household for a child or children to be brought up method approved by the state? The forefathers didn't leave out which religion they embraced/approved of by accident, you know. Many of them were not Christian, Jew or Muslim.

I'm going to respond to this because my point was important.
What if the parents were addicted to drugs and they were forcing the child to participate in said drug use. Would the judge be in the right to intervene then? It is our responsibility as a society to make sure children are brought up in a safe, morally upright manner. If the parents are unable to give a child that upbringing, then they shouldn't raise children.

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud
You can sling personal attacks, but you can't deny what I have said. And last time I checked, "ignorant egocentric a$$e$" like me are in charge of this country. I may be young, but there are millions just like me, and we will inherit the power.

You're obviously a parody poster. Give it up.

I just posted what is the truth. I'm much more mainstream than you Conjur. You are delusional if you think that your kind are the majority.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: Yo Ma Ma

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

Edit: this ruling does not necessarily conflict with the bill of rights. The courts are free to interpret the amendments how they will. It could interpreted that the bill of rights simply means that there will not be an official denomination of Christianity. I don't believe the forefathers intended it to apply to non Christians/Jews/Muslims.

YOU GOTS TO BE KIDDING ME?!?! You seriously want judges to be evaluating any/every household for a child or children to be brought up method approved by the state? The forefathers didn't leave out which religion they embraced/approved of by accident, you know. Many of them were not Christian, Jew or Muslim.

I'm going to respond to this because my point was important.
What if the parents were addicted to drugs and they were forcing the child to participate in said drug use. Would the judge be in the right to intervene then? It is our responsibility as a society to make sure children are brought up in a safe, morally upright manner. If the parents are unable to give a child that upbringing, then they shouldn't raise children.

That's all fine and dandy but there is no evidence that these parents are morally corrupting their children by teaching them the Wiccan Beliefs.

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

I think you pretty much represent everything wrong with this country, and I will pray for your removal from this nation or this life...for the benefit of all mankind. God help us if ignorant egocentric a$$e$ like you ever manage to breed. 8-(

You can sling personal attacks, but you can't deny what I have said. And last time I checked, "ignorant egocentric a$$e$" like me are in charge of this country. I may be young, but there are millions just like me, and we will inherit the power.

Only if you can prevent others who don't believe as you do from voting.

No, I think we can manage on our own.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

What if the parents were addicted to drugs and they were forcing the child to participate in said drug use. Would the judge be in the right to intervene then?

No. There is a legal process for removing a child from a dangerous situation such as you describe. A judge is a PART of the process, but is not the entire process in itself.

Kids are exposed to a myriad of religious practices, which may include NONE at all. We do have freedom of religion here in the USA.

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: Yo Ma Ma

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

Edit: this ruling does not necessarily conflict with the bill of rights. The courts are free to interpret the amendments how they will. It could interpreted that the bill of rights simply means that there will not be an official denomination of Christianity. I don't believe the forefathers intended it to apply to non Christians/Jews/Muslims.

YOU GOTS TO BE KIDDING ME?!?! You seriously want judges to be evaluating any/every household for a child or children to be brought up method approved by the state? The forefathers didn't leave out which religion they embraced/approved of by accident, you know. Many of them were not Christian, Jew or Muslim.

I'm going to respond to this because my point was important.
What if the parents were addicted to drugs and they were forcing the child to participate in said drug use. Would the judge be in the right to intervene then? It is our responsibility as a society to make sure children are brought up in a safe, morally upright manner. If the parents are unable to give a child that upbringing, then they shouldn't raise children.

That's all fine and dandy but there is no evidence that these parents are morally corrupting their children by teaching them the Wiccan Beliefs.

Well the judge had looked at this case closer than you or me. He evidently had reason to believe that what the parents were teaching was dangerous.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Only if you can prevent others who don't believe as you do from voting.

No, I think we can manage on our own.

Only if you step back from interefering in others Constitutional Rights

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: robertcloud
Well the judge had looked at this case closer than you or me. He evidently had reason to believe that what the parents were teaching was dangerous.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


Yeah...and the appeals court will agree with you 100%. :roll:

 

[Phokus]

I hear the RepubliTALIBAN wing of the republican party are champions of religious freedom. Oh wai...

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud
Well the judge had looked at this case closer than you or me. He evidently had reason to believe that what the parents were teaching was dangerous.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


Yeah...and the appeals court will agree with you 100%. :roll:

I am merely supporting the judge who presided over this case. You feel you know more about the law than a judge? Perhaps you should look up 'arrogance' and defer.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud
Well the judge had looked at this case closer than you or me. He evidently had reason to believe that what the parents were teaching was dangerous.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


Yeah...and the appeals court will agree with you 100%. :roll:

I am merely supporting the judge who presided over this case. You feel you know more about the law than a judge? Perhaps you should look up 'arrogance' and defer.

I find southern baptists and evangelical christians are more dangerous than wicca. They teach hatred and intolerance and in some cases they do terrorist acts like blow up abortion clinics and federal buildings. Lets outlaw christianity because of these idiots, agreed?

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

Ever heard the term "Justice is blind"? Which means that justice is supposed to be guided by principles of law, and not swayed by power, politics or persuasion, indifferent to religion and race. And one of the principles of US law is the freedom of religion.

The judge should not have imposed restrictions on what religion the parents chose to teach their minor child.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Man, bigots and zealots tick me off. Crap like this ruins my whole day. I think the judge needs to be ousted by citizen executive order .308. Freaking Salem all over again.

If the judge was aware that these pagan beliefs were to be taught to the child, his conscience forbade him from remaining passive in the matter. Some people place their faith in Christianity above worldly institutions like this man was doing. He put the child's soul before his own career. He was aware of the possible repercussions but he chose to do it anyway, and I respect him for that.

And who made him arbiter of what's morally right and wrong and what's a "proper" religion?

Oh yeah... NO ONE!

The judge has the right to make sure a child is growing up in a safe, morally upright way. The judge has the right to take the child away from the parents and put him in state care. The judge was being lenient when he let the child stay with the parents, but as a man of faith, he had to try to make sure the child was not influenced dangerously.

I think you pretty much represent everything wrong with this country, and I will pray for your removal from this nation or this life...for the benefit of all mankind. God help us if ignorant egocentric a$$e$ like you ever manage to breed. 8-(

You can sling personal attacks, but you can't deny what I have said. And last time I checked, "ignorant egocentric a$$e$" like me are in charge of this country. I may be young, but there are millions just like me, and we will inherit the power.

I can't deny that it happened, I can absolutely deny (with massive volumes of evidence) that it's a good thing.

And your final statement proves beyond shadow of a doubt that my accusations were entirely spot on about you, and others like you.

Oh well, like you say, you're still young. There's still much hope that you'll grow up, or if not, be hit by a train and not plague the world any longer.