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Judge overturns San Francisco weapons ban

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A state trial judge on Monday overturned a voter-approved city ordinance that banned handgun possession and firearm sales in San Francisco, siding with gun owners who said the city did not have the authority to prohibit the weapons.

Measure H was placed on the November ballot by the San Francisco County Board of Supervisors, who were frustrated by a rising number of gun-related homicides in the city of 750,000. San Francisco recorded at least 94 murders last year, a 10-year high.

The National Rifle Association sued a day after 58 percent of voters approved the law.

In siding with the gun owners, San Francisco County Superior Court Judge James Warren said a local government cannot ban weapons because the California Legislature allows their sale and possession.

"My clients are thrilled that the court recognized that law-abiding firearms owners who choose to own a gun to defend themselves or their families are part of the solution and not part of the problem," NRA attorney Chuck Michel said. "Hopefully, the city will recognize that gun owners can contribute to the effort to fight the criminal misuse of firearms, a goal that we all share."

The ordinance targeted only city residents, meaning nonresidents in the city or even tourists were not banned from possessing or selling guns here.

Warren's decision was not unexpected. In 1982, a California appeals court nullified an almost identical San Francisco gun ban largely on grounds that the city cannot enact an ordinance that conflicts with state law.

But years later, in 1998, a state appeals court upheld West Hollywood's ban on the sale of so-called Saturday night specials, small and cheap handguns that city leaders said contributed to violent crime. And three years ago, the California Supreme Court ruled in favor of Los Angeles and Alameda counties, saying local governments could ban the possession and sale of weapons on government property, such as fairgrounds.

That decision, however, did not address the issue of private property sales and possession, as outlined in the San Francisco law.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit also is considering a challenge to a similar handgun ban in the District of Columbia that alleges the law violates a Second Amendment right of individuals to bear arms.

The NRA lawsuit here avoided those allegations.

Matt Dorsey, a spokesman for City Attorney Dennis Herrera, whose office unsuccessfully defended the law before Warren, said the city was mulling whether it was going to appeal.

"We're disappointed that the court has denied the right of voters to enact a reasonable, narrowly tailored restriction on handgun possession," Dorsey said. "San Francisco voters spoke loud and clear on the issue of gun violence."


Wow California judges got it right this time. I'm surpised and pleased they decided to uphold our Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.
 
This is why I dont understand all of this talk of activitist judges...San Francisco kind of has a reputation for its ultra-left politics, but this case is a clear indication that the Constitution still works...sometimes things work out in favor of conservative causes, other times things work out in favor of liberal causes.

Regardless of what intentions any legislative body has in passing a law, the final benchmark will always be Constitutionality.

Here is a case where 58% of voters actually approved the law...so in essence, the judicial system has once again prevented tyranny of the majority in favor of Constitutional rights.

Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Oh well, big money gun lobbyists 1 voters 0
You of all people should respect this decision, considering how aggressive you are in defending the right to free speech...there is a right to bear arms as well you know. If you are truly in favor of the Bill of Rights, that goes for all of them...not just the ones you agree with.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

DOMA has been around for 10 years and the courts have said nothing about it.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.



It is not in the constitution, a well regulated militia is, only reason it is interpreted as meaning people can have guns is becasue of a judges view, most likely a gun activist judges ruling, the same kind of activist you love so much.
 
Gun rights are technically not in the constitution, and the exact interpretation of 'The right to bear arms...regulated militia', yadda, yadda, yadda will be debated till the end of time.

Wow California judges got it right this time. I'm surpised and pleased they decided to uphold our Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.

Uh, no they didn't. The judge merely sided with the State Legislature -vs- a conflicting local ordinance, and the issue of gun control was never under contention.

However, I do hope this sets precendence for the stupid local restriction in the Distric Of Columbia getting over-turned. Local restrictive gun laws have pretty much been shown to accomplish nothing other than win votes for local politicians.
 
Along with prohibiting commuter buses from driving at 90mph in the left hand lane of the 'Ryan at rush hour, and requiring bus drivers to keep both hands on the wheel so they can't flip off middle aged women driving a mini-van full of kids 😀
 
This law would not have stayed this way long. The next logical step would to be enforce it on anyone who would come into the area. Of course, either way it's a total violation of the 2nd amendment. "shall not be infringed" seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.
True, although the IX and X Amendments arguably make the case that marriage in and of itself is not a federal issue.

Any Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage would contradict the 10th Amendment.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

What part about "All men are created equal" do you not understand???
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

What part about "All men are created equal" do you not understand???
Explain that to your better half😛

 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

What part about "All men are created equal" do you not understand???

All men can marry women.
 
Mistguided piece of legislature... unless the increase of homicedes was due to legally registered handguns, the measure is idiotic
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.
True, although the IX and X Amendments arguably make the case that marriage in and of itself is not a federal issue.

Any Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage would contradict the 10th Amendment.


No it wouldn't, a constitutional amendment would give the federal government the right to regulate marriage, right up there with their right to regulate interstate trade. Just a simple law would, however, clearly voilate the 10th amendment.

BTW: I am not saying I agree with a gay ban amendment at all, because I don't, I just want to point out how amendments work.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

What part about "All men are created equal" do you not understand???

All men can marry women.

So women are equal to men but gays are not human?
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

What part about "All men are created equal" do you not understand???

All men can marry women.

So women are equal to men but gays are not human?

They can marry women too.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

What part about "All men are created equal" do you not understand???

All men can marry women.

So women are equal to men but gays are not human?

They can marry women too.

Great so there's the answer.

Re-classify Gays as women and wallah a marriage the Republicans can endorse and like.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

What part about "All men are created equal" do you not understand???

Where in the Constitution does it state "All men are created equal?" The closest thing would be the 14th Amendment which gives equal protection to all citizens yet women still weren't allowed to vote until the 19th Amendment. Maybe women weren't considered citizens back then. Indeed all men are created equal, but some are more equal than others. Especially when even if 99% of the population votes for something, all the 1% needs to do is find one judge somewhere to say no and that's that. This sort of thing just helps confirm my belief that the judicial branch may be a little too powerful. I'm not saying I disagree with the judge in this case. This law should have never been ratified in the first place.
 
No it wouldn't, a constitutional amendment would give the federal government the right to regulate marriage, right up there with their right to regulate interstate trade. Just a simple law would, however, clearly voilate the 10th amendment.
Well that is what I am saying...under the status quo, the federal government currently has no jurisdiction in the realm of marriage as currently defined by the Bill of Rights...any attempts by Congress to pass a law defining marriage as being between a man and a woman exclusively would be unConstitutional...hence the need to Amend the Constitution to change that which is currently unConstitutional.
 
Originally posted by: cambre
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Zendari, you might want to gauge how loud you applaud this decision, because it will come back to haunt you when a similar Constitutional judicial decision is made in favor of gay marriage...the parallels are too obvious to overlook.

Except for the small problem that gun rights are in the Constitution and the "right" to marry is not.

What part about "All men are created equal" do you not understand???

Where in the Constitution does it state "All men are created equal?" The closest thing would be the 14th Amendment which gives equal protection to all citizens yet women still weren't allowed to vote until the 19th Amendment. Maybe women weren't considered citizens back then. Indeed all men are created equal, but some are more equal than others. Especially when even if 99% of the population votes for something, all the 1% needs to do is find one judge somewhere to say no and that's that. This sort of thing just helps confirm my belief that the judicial branch may be a little too powerful. I'm not saying I disagree with the judge in this case. This law should have never been ratified in the first place.

It is not in the Constitution but in the Declaration of Independence
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Note that the Declaration was the justification that Lincoln used against slavery.

 
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