Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Yell all you want, but a cross is religious.. so why is it state sanctioned? No reason... so it should be removed...
There are no people forced to go down and bow before that cross. You're merely telling us that its existence is wrong, where as I'm fairly sure the constitution wasn't intended to outlaw religion so much as prevent a Church of England scenario. A religious symbol which is part of our historic foundation does NOT in any way apply to forcing people into a specific religion.
To say that we should destroy historic monuments because we must purge religion from this country is an outright crime in my view. You're taking the protection of the constitution and abusing it to try to forcibly remove religion from this country.
And I've never set foot inside a church. I have no organized religion, I keep my own faith. Yet I am not so cowardly as to be offended by the faith of others.
Has nothing to do with cowardice.. it has to do with state endorsed religious symbols, which is simply not appropriate. End of story.
So by your logic we should remove all the head stones at every military cemetery in the US. We should replace all the headstones at Arlington National Cemetery with something less offensive. No more star of David head stones... No more crosses...
Gimmie a break. :disgust:
That seems a little bit different, after all, Arlignton is first a place of rest for the dead, it is THEIR memory and life we are placing to rest, so it seems reasonable to pick a symbol they would want, and they probably would have appreciated a cross. It's not really our place to decide that for the dead...
Let's be realistic here, our country is literally covered in Christian, and ONLY Christian, religious symbols. Private property, public property, whatever, they are all over the place. All most "anti-Christian" people really want is a little bit of common sense applied to their placement. There is a happy middle ground between banning all religious symbols on public property and feeling like an outsider in your own country.
You have issues if this cross makes you feel like an "outsider". I guess it's only a few thin skinned whiners blowing smoke.
It's been around long enough that its part of the city's history.
I didn't say it made ME feel like an outsider, I am simply saying I understand why this bothers people. The fact that YOU don't understand is hardly surprising, you have no impressed me with your ability to understand beliefs and feelings other than your own.
But just as a little mental exercise, try this (don't strain yourself too hard). Think of the US not as a Christian nation, but say, a Muslim one. You are among the VERY small minority of people who believe in a different faith. Everywhere you go, you see Muslim religious symbols. The President, along with every other past President, is a Muslim...in this particular case, an especially fundamentalist one. He, and most other politicians, are constantly reminding you that this is a Muslim nation, the implication being that YOU are not really a true American. The government is supposedly free of religious influence, but everywhere you look, there are little reminders that this is a government of Muslims, for Muslims, and that you are free to practice whatever faith you want, but the country is a Muslim one. When you point out, even gently, that this might not be what the founding fathers had in mind, you are visciously attacked as a Muslim hater who is trying to destroy the country. Despite the fact that people who think like you are the VAST minority, Muslim pundits rip you apart like you just proposed mass Muslim executions in the streets. And through it all, there is the constant insinuation that, because you don't share in the Muslim faith, you are somehow not really an American.
As I've said, the fact that the country operates this way doesn't bother me. I am not, as you put it, thin skinned. I am not a Christian, either, but the general nonsense we infidels are surrounded with doesn't both most of us. But I can certainly understand why some people have trouble with that part. It's irritating in a way that you, as a member of the majority (and a particularly jackass member at that) have no way of understanding. Do the less thick skinned people have issues? Perhaps, but I wonder how you'd do...how a lot of the religious majority would do...if things we switched around. Because I'm confident that you, at least, have never been in any situation where the majority of people weren't on your side.
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