Judge forces Google to release customer data to FBI through a warrantless demand.

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DucatiMonster696

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This is a pretty fucking outrageous ruling and further demonstrates how government when given power will always inevitably seek to centralize power, gather more power and then seek to abuse it. You cannot give centralized government power/money and expect said centralized government to only share this power with the "Angels" in government as the "Devils" will always benefit from such actions as well. That is because at the end they are one and the same and work for toward a common goal of control over the individual who dares to dissent and question the legitimacy of their actions, powers and agendas.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/05/31/judge-google-fbi/2378799/

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal judge has ordered Google to comply with FBI warrantless demands for customer data.

U.S. District Court Judge Susan Illston on Tuesday rejected Google's argument that the so-called "National Security Letters" the company received from the FBI were unconstitutional and unnecessary.

Illston ordered Google to comply with the secret demands even though she found the same letter requests unconstitutional in March in a separate case filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

In a four-page May 20 order in the Google case obtained by the The Associated Press Friday, the judge acknowledged the conflicting rulings.

Google could appeal Illston's decision. The company declined comment Friday.

The Google ruling legally is on hold until the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals can decide the matter. But until then, Judge Illston said the Mountain View, Calif.-based company would have to comply with the FBI's request for data unless the company can show the federal law enforcement agency didn't follow proper procedures in making its demands for customer data in the 19 letters Google is challenging.

After receiving sworn statements from two top-ranking FBI officials, Illston said she was satisfied that 17 of the 19 letters were issued properly. She wanted more information on two other letters.

The letters, along with the recent seizure of reporters' phone records by President Obama's administration, have prompted widespread complaints of government privacy violations in the name of national security.

In 2007, the Justice Department's inspector general found widespread violations in the FBI's use of the letters, including demands without proper authorization and information obtained in non-emergency circumstances.

The FBI has tightened oversight of the system. The agency made 16,511 National Security Letter requests for information regarding 7,201 people in 2011, the latest data available.

In March, Illston found that the FBI's demand that letter request recipients refrain from telling anyone — including customers — that they had received the requests was a violation of free speech rights.

"We are disappointed that the same judge who declared these letters unconstitutional is now requiring compliance with them," Kurt Opsah, an EFF attorney, said Friday.

Opsah said it could be many months before the appeals court rules on the constitutionality of the letter requests, which the FBI sends to telecommunication companies, Internet service providers, banks and others durring war-on-terror investigations.

The letter requests are used to collect unlimited kinds of sensitive, private information, such as financial and phone records. It is unclear from the judge's May 20 ruling what types of information the government is seeking to obtain or who the government is targeting in its letter request to Google.

Illston's order omits any mention of Google or that the proceedings have been closed to the public.

But the judge said "the petitioner" was involved in a similar case filed on April 22 in New York federal court. That's how the AP determined Illston was ruling about Google on May 20.

Public records show that on April 22, the federal government filed a "petition to enforce National Security Letters" against the Internet giant after it declined to cooperate with government demands.

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gevorg

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This is inevitable. Assume all your Gmail, Yahoo, Skype, Facebook, etc. are monitored and archived forever by various three letter agencies.
 

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You cannot give centralized government power/money and expect said centralized government to only share this power with the "Angels" in government as the "Devils" will always benefit from such actions as well.
Damn right. Madison himself never believed that because the Federalist Papers were national socialist propaganda.

Never forget that:

if men are good, then you don't need govt and that if men are evil or ambivalent then you don't dare have one.

The most evil men always get to the top. In a free society you'd maybe have to worry about a little bit of small scale crime, but you'd never have rape, pillage, and plunder on the level America has suffered from since 1789.
 

Nintendesert

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This is inevitable. Assume all your Gmail, Yahoo, Skype, Facebook, etc. are monitored and archived forever by various three letter agencies.



Better believe it. Facebook is great at getting people to do and admit all sorts of tawdry details. Just wait until you have an issue in divorce court and all your Facetard postings get brought back up to show you an unfit parent. The IRS is already using it to audit people. There are government officials dreaming up other ways to use this stuff. I don't see why it's so damn hard to require a warrant. My guess is these are just fishing expeditions into those big bad evil terrorists with no real evidence of wrong doing.
 

Vic Vega

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And that's why I don't use them.

Honestly, things like FB - I don't find my life enriched by them at all... AT ALL. So no big loss here.

I use a private pay email service and have since the 1990s. $40/year to never have my email read, sold or given away to the government without my knowledge.
 

waggy

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This is inevitable. Assume all your Gmail, Yahoo, Skype, Facebook, etc. are monitored and archived forever by various three letter agencies.

i have to admit i figured that from the start. Google seemed to gather far to much info etc.
 

Attic

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Not surprised, but an unpleasant reminder just the same.
 
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