Judge forces Apple to unlock iPhone

[LPCTech]

Wonder how much Apple is paying them for that. They surely didn't wake up one morning and pay to hire a lawyer to file briefs supporting Apple out of sense of charity towards Apple.

I guess you didnt read the article. They stated that they didnt want to be responsible and associated with the governments overreach and loss of privacy for Americans. And they also said what we all know.

The information on that phone is OLD, OLD, OLD. If there is any interesting stuff on it the terrorists have televisions and access to the internet, they know this is all going on, Im sure they have changed any plans or disconnected any number associated with that guy who had the phone.

The phone is 100% useless, they want the legal precedent to weaken encryption and put backdoors in everything.

They want your rights. They cant take them so they need you to give them up like good sheep.

 

[Humpy]

If that doesn't work, my guess is next they'll say Apple is enabling pedophiles. If they haven't already, that is.

Of course they already have.

FBI Director Comey: "When changes in technology hinder law enforcement's ability to exercise investigative tools and follow critical leads, we may not be able to root out the child predators hiding in the shadows of the Internet, or find and arrest violent criminals who are targeting our neighborhoods"

 

[zinfamous]

Of course they already have.

FBI Director Comey: "When changes in technology hinder law enforcement's ability to exercise investigative tools and follow critical leads, we may not be able to root out the child predators hiding in the shadows of the Internet, or find and arrest violent criminals who are targeting our neighborhoods"

Insane.

I should also mention that Haydn was on Bill Maher last week blasting the CIA/FBI/gov for their requests in this case. As the former head of both branches, he knows exactly what they are doing and what they want here.

Of course, Maher thought he was insane because he still seems to believe that this isn't about individual freedoms....just killin' terrists!

 

[bshole]

Insane.

I should also mention that Haydn was on Bill Maher last week blasting the CIA/FBI/gov for their requests in this case. As the former head of both branches, he knows exactly what they are doing and what they want here.

Of course, Maher thought he was insane because he still seems to believe that this isn't about individual freedoms....just killin' terrists!

I have a hard time believing that Maher would be on the FBIs side in this case. That doesn't seem like him at all.

 

[LPCTech]

More to defend apple:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hamzashaban...-science-experts-rally-around-appl#.oyrQx90kW

 

[zinfamous]

I have a hard time believing that Maher would be on the FBIs side in this case. That doesn't seem like him at all.

Seems that way at first, but it really isn't. Maher really does not like Islam--at all. It's all part of his anti-religion thing, but also that he doesn't like terrorists, and frankly, it is by far the most violent religion. He gets a lot of flack for being "anti-muslim," but all he's been talking about for the last ~2 years is the same he has always been talking about:

1: All religion bad
2: Islam is the worst of all religions (which are all bad) because far more muslims are, in fact, violent.
3: If we can't end religion, let's at least deal with the violence of the most violent religion.

He's always been anti-PC, so as a liberal he angers other liberals when he points to uncomfortable realities like the very real problem within Islam. Not all Islam, but of course it is a problem. Anyway, I think his opinion on this Apple issue is an extension of that.

He is also probably just ignorant of the reality of what the FBI truly wants; whether he spends most of his hours stoned and aloof, or just shuts down when he sees another tool to possibly fight terrorism--in the interview it sounded like he does believe that the FBI just wants to look at the one phone. I think the media in general has been very lazy or outright duplicitous when reporting this story.

 

[LPCTech]

Really though, who cares what Bill Maher thinks? I love his show but he's just some pothead comedian guy. He didnt understand the issue at the time the show aired. Or he just has an odd opinion on this. But his opinion is meaningless so Im still gonna watch his show.

 

[lopri]

Future technology has a huge implication on civil liberty as well as equal participation in our democracy. It is easy to be blindsided by the idea that the government might be spying on your smartphone. On the other side you can easily imagine a society where the "Establishment" people and criminals perpetuate their privileges with no accountability or transparency with the help of like-minded corporations' exclusive products.

It is a delicate balance that needs to be struck as new technologies emerge. No one should expect a clear cut solution that will last forever.

 

[sontakke]

The only reason Darryl Issa is saying because today the justice department is under BHusseinO; you can be 110% sure if this request were made under Bush, he would be all for it.

 

[Rebel44]

Another good article about this:

Who Needs Apple When the FBI Could Hack Terrorist iPhone Itself
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...en-the-fbi-could-hack-terrorist-iphone-itself

Security experts say there are many ways the FBI could hack the iPhone now at the center of a standoff between Apple and the U.S. government. They argue that doing so would be faster than waiting for the courts to decide whether Apple should be forced to create software that would let investigators try multiple passcodes without erasing the device. No one is saying a government hack would be easy, but the experts interviewed for this story have concluded the Feds aren’t even trying because they’d rather win a legal precedent that gives agents the power to access phone data with a warrant.

Jonathan Zdziarski, a cybersecurity researcher who consults with law enforcement, says the FBI could learn something from back-alley techies in China who break into iPhones all the time. He describes a kiosk in a Shenzhen mall that charges $60 to upgrade a 16-gigabyte phone to 128 gigabytes. Using a PC, tweezers and screwdrivers, he says, the kiosk operator copies the contents of the iPhone onto a chip with more capacity then swaps it in.


Zdziarski says the FBI could use a similar workaround: copy the phone’s contents onto a chip so there’s a backup file when password attempts erase the device. The trick is figuring out a way of doing this hundreds of times without destroying the chip. He says the problem could be solved with research and that typically investigators can crack a passcode with fewer that 200 attempts because people usually choose easy ones.


.......

Some experts have argued that the FBI should ask the National Security Agency for help. They note that the NSA is the best-funded spy agency on Earth, employs legions of hackers and almost certainly can break into secure computer systems. But in testimony before Congress on Tuesday, Worcester Polytechnic Institute cybersecurity professor Susan Landau said the NSA may be reluctant to help the FBI, since the secretive agency’s hacking abilities could become public should it be hauled into court.

 

[rudder]

Another good article about this:

Who Needs Apple When the FBI Could Hack Terrorist iPhone Itself

Turns out it is pretty easy... lol.

http://www.unilad.co.uk/video/video-shows-how-easily-your-iphone-can-be-opened-without-passcode/

The FBI better figure this out before the next update. My 12 year old son just broke into his sisters phone.

 

[Ichinisan]

Turns out it is pretty easy... lol.

http://www.unilad.co.uk/video/video-shows-how-easily-your-iphone-can-be-opened-without-passcode/

The FBI better figure this out before the next update. My 12 year old son just broke into his sisters phone.

I tried that 1 or 2 days ago and it didn't work. I'm on the latest beta.

My brother has avoided updating his iPhone 6s Plus since he got it January 6th. This trick didn't work for him either.

 

[Ichinisan]

Turns out it is pretty easy... lol.

http://www.unilad.co.uk/video/video-shows-how-easily-your-iphone-can-be-opened-without-passcode/

The FBI better figure this out before the next update. My 12 year old son just broke into his sisters phone.

This most definitely would not work after a fresh reboot. Due to the way the security is designed, the passcode must be entered after bootup for the phone to access any data within. If I reboot my phone, it can't connect to WiFi because the keychain is encrypted. It can't access my encrypted keychain to get my WiFi password without the PIN code. If I get a phone call after a reboot and I haven't entered my PIN yet, the phone can't access the phone book...so I only see the number of the caller instead of the caller's name / picture.

 

[slag]

I tried that 1 or 2 days ago and it didn't work. I'm on the latest beta.

My brother has avoided updating his iPhone 6s Plus since he got it January 6th. This trick didn't work for him either.

Yeah, this has been patched or just plain doesn't work.

 

[CZroe]

Turns out it is pretty easy... lol.

http://www.unilad.co.uk/video/video-shows-how-easily-your-iphone-can-be-opened-without-passcode/

The FBI better figure this out before the next update. My 12 year old son just broke into his sisters phone.

Doesn't work for me. I tried it on my iPhone 6S Plus with iOS 9.2.0 and my iPhone 6 Plus with iOS 9.0.2. Neither is up to date.

 

[Paratus]

John Oliver just had his take on this with his usually humorous results. The fake Apple commercial at the end is pretty amusing too.

http://youtu.be/zsjZ2r9Ygzw

 

[zinfamous]

Richard Clarke was on NPR this morning, essentially echoing what Issa said last week: If the FBI actually wanted to simply unlock this one phone, they would take it to the NSA and the NSA would be able to do it with little trouble. It would have been done months ago.

The FBI really isn't interested in this phone--they are appealing to public passion about terrorism (relying on testimony from relatives of San Bernardino victim families), to try and establish a precedent through courts. Clarke said that several of his "expert" buddies are confident that the phone could be easily broken into, if that is actually what the FBI wanted to do. So, this adds to what Issa and Hayden have already said.

I'm glad that gov't insiders and security experts are finally starting to come out publicly and present the reality of this case.

 

[BoberFett]

Hope and Change

 

[sontakke]

The only reason Issa and Clark are with Apple is because they are against BHO's justice department. You can count on them to be always opposed to the current president. They happened to be on the correct side because the justice department is on wrong side.

 

[BoberFett]

The only reason Issa and Clark are with Apple is because they are against BHO's justice department. You can count on them to be always opposed to the current president. They happened to be on the correct side because the justice department is on wrong side.

So what?

 

[jackstar7]

So what?

Agreed, a stopped clock can be on the right side of our rights a couple times during their seemingly unending terms...

 

[Brian Stirling]

Richard Clarke was on NPR this morning, essentially echoing what Issa said last week: If the FBI actually wanted to simply unlock this one phone, they would take it to the NSA and the NSA would be able to do it with little trouble. It would have been done months ago.

The FBI really isn't interested in this phone--they are appealing to public passion about terrorism (relying on testimony from relatives of San Bernardino victim families), to try and establish a precedent through courts. Clarke said that several of his "expert" buddies are confident that the phone could be easily broken into, if that is actually what the FBI wanted to do. So, this adds to what Issa and Hayden have already said.

I'm glad that gov't insiders and security experts are finally starting to come out publicly and present the reality of this case.

Yes, anyone with more than a single functioning brain cell and that has a reasonable grasp of modern technology has known from the word go that this has all been an effort to set a precedent and that getting access to this specific phone was never the purpose.


Brian

 

[zinfamous]

The only reason Issa and Clark are with Apple is because they are against BHO's justice department. You can count on them to be always opposed to the current president. They happened to be on the correct side because the justice department is on wrong side.

Who cares? Issa is a raging thundercunt 364.5 days of every year, but he's right on this issue. The message is what matters considering how huge this issue is. The public remains willfully ignorant on what is happening here, so we should be happy that anyone is coming out publicly on what the FBI is doing.

That's what matters.

 

[Fern]

Richard Clarke was on NPR this morning, essentially echoing what Issa said last week: If the FBI actually wanted to simply unlock this one phone, they would take it to the NSA and the NSA would be able to do it with little trouble. It would have been done months ago.

The FBI really isn't interested in this phone--they are appealing to public passion about terrorism (relying on testimony from relatives of San Bernardino victim families), to try and establish a precedent through courts. Clarke said that several of his "expert" buddies are confident that the phone could be easily broken into, if that is actually what the FBI wanted to do. So, this adds to what Issa and Hayden have already said.

I'm glad that gov't insiders and security experts are finally starting to come out publicly and present the reality of this case.

This whole line of thought presupposes that the NSA would agree to do that for the FBI. It appears that the NSA is a DoD agency and part of the intel community and therefor does not work for the FBI. So, I see no basis for this assumption.

Many here say that the FBI is using this case to force a decision, but I think Apple is too. Apple is facing problems in Europe (France and the UK particularly). I think it might be that Apple wants to cement their legal position here in the US before taking on Europe.

Fern

 

[realibrad]

This whole line of thought presupposes that the NSA would agree to do that for the FBI. It appears that the NSA is a DoD agency and part of the intel community and therefor does not work for the FBI. So, I see no basis for this assumption.

Many here say that the FBI is using this case to force a decision, but I think Apple is too. Apple is facing problems in Europe (France and the UK particularly). I think it might be that Apple wants to cement their legal position here in the US before taking on Europe.

Fern

Well, I partly agree. Keep in mind though, that Apple would not have a long game for Europe if the US did not start its battle here in the states. It could not have been Apple's plan to get a terrorist to use its phone to trigger the US government to try and force them to open it up. They are likely going to use a decision here and take it to Europe, but then again maybe not. Europe does lots of weird shit and does not care about other places. I mean, who here thinks their right to be forgotten law is good?