Judge declares a mistrial in Bundy case

[bshole]

The story isn't over yet, investigations of the previous rulings would be in order. There is some dispute on the amount of money that is owed etc.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/10/cliven-bundy-may-sue-federal-government-malicious-/

I imagine by the time Bundy is done, he will have cost the taxpayers more money than a small city of welfare recipients.

 

[brycejones]

The story isn't over yet, investigations of the previous rulings would be in order. There is some dispute on the amount of money that is owed etc.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/10/cliven-bundy-may-sue-federal-government-malicious-/

Based on what legal theory, the arguments in those cases were pretty straight forward and the Bundy's flat out lost. Your link only applies to the criminal case that was brought against them for the stand off.

 

[interchange]

The story isn't over yet, investigations of the previous rulings would be in order. There is some dispute on the amount of money that is owed etc.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/10/cliven-bundy-may-sue-federal-government-malicious-/

I don't think the prosecution was malicious in the sense that the charges were unfounded. I wonder what were the damages Bundy incurred. I think if the prosecution followed the law and protected his rights then Bundy would have faced the same charges and same damage to his public reputation. It is not enough to me that there was prosecutorial misconduct if the attempt at prosecution was appropriate.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I imagine by the time Bundy is done, he will have cost the taxpayers more money than a small city of welfare recipients.

The latest fiasco lasting for 5 - 6 years is probably in the 10's of millions. All for a rancher running cattle on disputed land. What if he was growing marijuana on it instead? free pass?

 

[bshole]

The latest fiasco lasting for 5 - 6 years is probably in the 10's of millions. All for a rancher running cattle on disputed land. What if he was growing marijuana on it instead? free pass?

If only.... he would be serving a life sentence. Thirty percent of inmates are in for pot and this loon runs free. Talk about a fucked up justice system. I have him as indirectly responsible for 3 deaths already. One of his followers murdered two Vegas cops and another follower got himself killed trying to kill federal agents.

 

[Jhhnn]

The latest fiasco lasting for 5 - 6 years is probably in the 10's of millions. All for a rancher running cattle on disputed land. What if he was growing marijuana on it instead? free pass?

There is no excuse for armed insurrection when confronted with federal agents acting under court orders. None whatsoever.

Those events really aren't in dispute. No amount of exculpatory evidence changes that. OTOH, providing it to the defense is obligatory, a technical necessity in all cases. It's a cornerstone of criminal procedure. Quite how federal prosecutors could have bee so foolishly arrogant is incomprehensible.

 

[Thebobo]

There is no excuse for armed insurrection when confronted with federal agents acting under court orders. None whatsoever.

Those events really aren't in dispute. No amount of exculpatory evidence changes that. OTOH, providing it to the defense is obligatory, a technical necessity in all cases. It's a cornerstone of criminal procedure. Quite how federal prosecutors could have bee so foolishly arrogant is incomprehensible.

Yep they need to be fired imo.

 

[Jhhnn]

The latest fiasco lasting for 5 - 6 years is probably in the 10's of millions. All for a rancher running cattle on disputed land. What if he was growing marijuana on it instead? free pass?

That's a strawman and a duh-version in the same breath. Ownership of the property was determined long ago. It belongs to the federal govt. It's been that way since the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. Claims to the contrary are bullshit.

Bundy claims that the govt, the lessor, cannot change the terms of his lease, his grazing allotment, when the term of the old lease expires & that he can do whatever he damned well pleases with the lessor's property as if it were his own. It's not.

 

[interchange]

There is no excuse for armed insurrection when confronted with federal agents acting under court orders. None whatsoever.

Those events really aren't in dispute. No amount of exculpatory evidence changes that. OTOH, providing it to the defense is obligatory, a technical necessity in all cases. It's a cornerstone of criminal procedure. Quite how federal prosecutors could have bee so foolishly arrogant is incomprehensible.

Not sure how this connects to the post I made that you quoted.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not sure how this connects to the post I made that you quoted.

I apologize for the error & have edited in the right quote. My mistake.

 

[urvile]

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/please-read-your-enlightened-cooperation-is-required.2508623/

Hi tajy. I couldn't understand why an unashamed GOP shill such as yourself would care about a bunch of inbred farmers. Who also produced one of the most depraved men in history (Ed O'Neill). Then I was reading another thread about how the donald is being black mailed by russia and how the FBI under comey colluded with trump. Then for some reason it dawned on me that you care about the bundys. Because it aligns with your GOP political agenda.

The FBI lies and cannot be trusted. Geez. Your country is fucked.

Very subtle tajy btw. Well done.

I am starting to think that this is the beginning of the end for the united states as we know it. In part engineered by russia. I mean look at what you have been reduced too. I doubt it will happen too quickly but the UK ran half the world at one point.

They are still a powerful nation but a shadow of what they once were.

 

[urvile]

Not that I want to see a lessening of the US. We rely on the US military. Who would we turn to then? There is australia and there is new zealand everyone else is brown. We have a country of 260 million asian muslims just north of us.

Terrifying isn't it tajy?

Actually I guess we would have to align ourselves more closely with china.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The latest fiasco lasting for 5 - 6 years is probably in the 10's of millions. All for a rancher running cattle on disputed land. What if he was growing marijuana on it instead? free pass?

There is no disputed land. It's not his. Case closed.

 

[Thebobo]

The latest fiasco lasting for 5 - 6 years is probably in the 10's of millions. All for a rancher running cattle on disputed land. What if he was growing marijuana on it instead? free pass?

Its not disputed land its BLM land. You want to graze on our public federal land you follow the rules and pay your grazing rights. He became radical and thought he was above paying for the use of OUR land.

 

[Lucio V]

I love the quote:
Navarro pointed to assessments conducted by the FBI, the Southern Nevada Counter Terrorism Center and the BLM that said “the Bundy family is not violent” and that they “would probably get in your face, but not get into a shootout.”

Right after they held up a place with guns etc. ... Right, that's so accurate. Next time we should all invite them over for dinner with them lugging guns on their shoulders.

 

[Jhhnn]

I love the quote:
Navarro pointed to assessments conducted by the FBI, the Southern Nevada Counter Terrorism Center and the BLM that said “the Bundy family is not violent” and that they “would probably get in your face, but not get into a shootout.”

Right after they held up a place with guns etc. ... Right, that's so accurate. Next time we should all invite them over for dinner with them lugging guns on their shoulders.

Which doesn't really change a damned thing. You don't actually have to start shooting to engage in armed insurrection.

I mean, sweet fucking Jesus. We live in a country where conservatives defend cops for shooting people they think might have a gun even as they defend these wahoos pointing guns at federal agents. And they see no contradiction at all.

 

[brycejones]

Which doesn't really change a damned thing. You don't actually have to start shooting to engage in armed insurrection.

I mean, sweet fucking Jesus. We live in a country where conservatives defend cops for shooting people they think might have a gun even as they defend these wahoos pointing guns at federal agents. And they see no contradiction at all.

The cops thing only applies if the person shot was non-white. Cops shoot a white guy and conservatives lose their minds about how evil cops are and they have to protect themselves from the state.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The cops thing only applies if the person shot was non-white. Cops shoot a white guy and conservatives lose their minds about how evil cops are and they have to protect themselves from the state.

I always try to judge on a case by case basis. Some shootings by police are justified, some aren't. Race has little to do with it in my opinion.

 

[Jhhnn]

I always try to judge on a case by case basis. Some shootings by police are justified, some aren't. Race has little to do with it in my opinion.

And yet here you are, defending people who brandish weapons at federal officers when in performance of their duties. And you do it by trying to legitimize their lame-ass cause.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

And yet here you are, defending people who brandish weapons at federal officers when in performance of their duties. And you do it by trying to legitimize their lame-ass cause.

Is carrying a weapon to insure against violence illegal now? or is this just one of those new Jhhnn anti-conservative pseudo-laws? ooh look that guy has a gun! Shoot him officer ! Shoot him!

 

[Jhhnn]

Is carrying a weapon to insure against violence illegal now? or is this just one of those new Jhhnn anti-conservative pseudo-laws? ooh look that guy has a gun! Shoot him officer ! Shoot him!

It is when you're performing an illegal act, like interfering with a federal agent in the performance of their duties.

"Insure against violence" from federal agents who are there to round up cattle under a court order? WTF planet are you from, anyway?

 

[Genx87]

This is our govt in a nutshell. Incompetent arrogant assholes who don't follow the law. This case was so simple and they still screwed it up.

 

[brycejones]

It is when you're performing an illegal act, like interfering with a federal agent in the performance of their duties.

"Insure against violence" from federal agents who are there to round up cattle under a court order? WTF planet are you from, anyway?

tajbot is from the planet conservitard, in the failure system, in the constellation anus

 

[thraashman]

Is carrying a weapon to insure against violence illegal now? or is this just one of those new Jhhnn anti-conservative pseudo-laws? ooh look that guy has a gun! Shoot him officer ! Shoot him!

Brandishing a weapon at a federal officer who is enforcing the law due to your illegal acts is absolutely illegal. There isn't a single person in this thread that doesn't 100% know if this had been a BLM member in an armed standoff with a federal agent that you'd be masturbating in excitement had he been shot or screaming to the heavens if he weren't arrested and convicted in a 10 minute trial.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Brandishing a weapon at a federal officer who is enforcing the law due to your illegal acts is absolutely illegal. There isn't a single person in this thread that doesn't 100% know if this had been a BLM member in an armed standoff with a federal agent that you'd be masturbating in excitement had he been shot or screaming to the heavens if he weren't arrested and convicted in a 10 minute trial.

Brandishing is, but carrying isn't, there's a difference. Carrying to make sure the law is followed is also legal.