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Judge blocks Fla.'s new welfare drug testing law

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Ausm

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First of all , I think being on Welfare should be temporary and not a lifestyle but I understand that in today's Economic climate the number of people on Welfare is going to raise significantly look no farther then the increasing poverty rates in the U.S.

I think if a State passes a law like this shouldn't the drug test cover EVERYONE who's income comes from the Tax payers of that State?

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-blocks-fla-welfare-drug-testing-law-192910417.html
 
Yes to answer your question at the end. People getting a free ride off of tax payers should not be on drugs. IMO at least, and im sure im in the majority of what real americans would want.
 
I think there is a difference between getting free assistance and being employed by the government. Not that I would be against testing employees though since we already get tested in the private industry.
 
Ausm said:
First of all , I think being on Welfare should be temporary and not a lifestyle
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That is part of the problem, our society has cultivated a group of people who think they are entitled to welfare.

After Hurricane Andrew passed through Florida, there were stories of people sitting in their front yards waiting for the government to clean up the mess. It was reported that one family had been on welfare for 3 generations.

My personal opinion, welfare has caused more problems then it fixed. Instead of giving people a helping hand, it has become a crutch.
 
Fear No Evil said:
I think there is a difference between getting free assistance and being employed by the government. Not that I would be against testing employees though since we already get tested in the private industry.
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How so when the GOP thinks Public employees are free loaders especially when it comes to Public teachers.😕😕
 
I saw this this morning while having coffee. Somehow, I fail to see how requiring people to be drug tested in order to receive a welfare check is unconstitutional. Someone needs to explain that one. Welfare is not mandatory. What, under the constitution, is being violated here?
 
Ausm said:
How so when the GOP thinks Public employees are free loaders especially when it comes to Public teachers.😕😕
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That's not "what the GOP thinks", but then again, we all know honesty isn't your strong suit.
 
xBiffx said:
I saw this this morning while having coffee. Somehow, I fail to see how requiring people to be drug tested in order to receive a welfare check is unconstitutional. Someone needs to explain that one. Welfare is not mandatory. What, under the constitution, is being violated here?
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The people's right to a free ride, and their right to get high, duh.
 
xj0hnx said:
That's not "what the GOP thinks", but then again, we all know honesty isn't your strong suit.
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Gee let me rephrase this then...State level Republican Legislators. Does this pass your "Truth-o-meter" now?😵

Oh there is a difference between the truth and what YOU like to hear 😉
 
Ausm said:
First of all , I think being on Welfare should be temporary and not a lifestyle but I understand that in today's Economic climate the number of people on Welfare is going to raise significantly look no farther then the increasing poverty rates in the U.S.

I think if a State passes a law like this shouldn't the drug test cover EVERYONE who's income comes from the Tax payers of that State?

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-blocks-fla-welfare-drug-testing-law-192910417.html
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who else is there to test? SocSec and medicare/medicaid? some of those people earned that money, so its not the same thing.


I'm a govt employee and I have been drug tested
 
Zargon said:
who else is there to test? SocSec and medicare/medicaid? some of those people earned that money, so its not the same thing.


I'm a govt employee and I have been drug tested
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Well there is the Rub because a lot of Conservatives argue that Public employees do not "earn" their wages.
 
One huge loophole w\ the whole testing thing is alcohol. It's out of your system very fast. Cocaine is out relatively fast. Marijuana should be legal and stays for up to a month...

So I can see where testing people who get welfare is not accurate at all and really not possibly to be equally enforced. You're going to take the weed smokers money away but give the alchy or crack smoker money just because they can hold their stuff together for a day or so and pass a test?

I'm for testing in principle but for the reasons I stated, it's just not enforceable unless you're just trying to single out people who smoke marijuana.
 
airdata said:
One huge loophole w\ the whole testing thing is alcohol. It's out of your system very fast. Cocaine is out relatively fast. Marijuana should be legal and stays for up to a month...

So I can see where testing people who get welfare is not accurate at all and really not possibly to be equally enforced. You're going to take the weed smokers money away but give the alchy or crack smoker money just because they can hold their stuff together for a day or so and pass a test?

I'm for testing in principle but for the reasons I stated, it's just not enforceable unless you're just trying to single out people who smoke marijuana.
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THC doesn't stay in your urine for a month. Sorry, but your whole argument is based on a bs statement. Even then, you are defending this decision by saying that is unfairly singles out one set of ILLEGAL drug users from the rest of ILLEGAL drug users. That makes perfect sense, for an idiot.
 
soulcougher73 said:
Yes to answer your question at the end. People getting a free ride off of tax payers should not be on drugs. IMO at least, and im sure im in the majority of what real americans would want.
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What about the elected officials? The law exempted elect officials that suck at the teats of the public from drug testing and as a Florida resident, I can tell you its about 50 -50 if a state official is taking drugs most of the time based upon what laws they pass.

In fact Gov. Gollem refused to be drugged tested, so what does that tell you?
 
Maybe we should be more aggressive with welfare recipients. Imagine the savings if we just declared a hunting season on them. Oh and old people get too old nowadays anyway. Let's declare age above 65 illegal and exterminate them as well. While we are at it, those disabled people cost us a lot too. Imagine the savings government could make.

There would be a lot less traffic on the roads, resources and infrastructure would be relieved, Medicaid and pension funds wouldn't be empty. We could even stop broadcasting Matlock, Golden Girls and Murder she wrote reruns, use the bandwidth and air time more efficiently...
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Ausm said:
How so when the GOP thinks Public employees are free loaders especially when it comes to Public teachers.😕😕
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Teachers that are not teaching but doing make work to pad the payroll.

Administration staff that is not needed.

1 Secretary for 4-5 administrators worked well 30 years ago;
Why now is there a 1-1 need.

How many Assistant principals are actually needed?
Same for guidance counselors?
 
EagleKeeper said:
Teachers that are not teaching but doing make work to pad the payroll.

Administration staff that is not needed.

1 Secretary for 4-5 administrators worked well 30 years ago;
Why now is there a 1-1 need.

How many Assistant principals are actually needed?
Same for guidance counselors?
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Is this a Nation wide epidemic?
 
xBiffx said:
THC doesn't stay in your urine for a month. Sorry, but your whole argument is based on a bs statement. Even then, you are defending this decision by saying that is unfairly singles out one set of ILLEGAL drug users from the rest of ILLEGAL drug users. That makes perfect sense, for an idiot.
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It sure does dimwit. I see you continue to spew factless statements.
 
Ausm said:
First of all , I think being on Welfare should be temporary and not a lifestyle but I understand that in today's Economic climate the number of people on Welfare is going to raise significantly look no farther then the increasing poverty rates in the U.S.

I think if a State passes a law like this shouldn't the drug test cover EVERYONE who's income comes from the Tax payers of that State?

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-blocks-fla-welfare-drug-testing-law-192910417.html
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After spending a Trillion dollars killing people in Iraq and a Billion dollars killing people in Libya. I want my tax dollars feeding, giving health care, and educating people in the US.
 
Good was stupid anyway and blantant in the governors own interests. There's things that should be reformed with welfare, but this feel good tough of crime shit isn't what's needed. Playing to the publics vindictiveness isn't how society is going to be improved.
 
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