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Lifer
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Not a free speech issue.
Unless the reason the person is in court is because they're an illegal immigrant, their immigration status is irrelevant. If they're a witness for or against someone, does their immigration status affect what they saw or what they know? Why should it be allowed to influence the jury? If they're accused of some crime, does their immigration status have any bearing on whether they committed that crime?
It's not uncommon to prohibit mentioning a person's prior unrelated offenses in court. This is the same thing. Fortunately we live in a country where we have the right to a fair trial.
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Id link to the Google street view so you could compare it yourself, but i'm afraid youd be outside my window someday in ass-less chaps with a bottle of hypnotic and a copy of The Notebook Directors Cut DVD.
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Anyone else absolutely fall in love with the term "Anchor Babies"? It has so many different connotations... me likey!
MotionMan
Lifer
- Jan 11, 2006
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Alien (as defined by the United States Government).
"Illegal Alien" is sort of the opposition of a Legal Resident.
MotionMan
"Illegal Alien" is sort of the opposition of a Legal Resident.
MotionMan
Actually we have been going more liberal it seems,... especially with all the "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" in the state and the movement to let them have rights that they don't deserve,.... it is ridiculous.
Do you know how many illegals have been winning lawsuits here against our citizens by coming over here illegally and then crying foul when detained and sent back, or not getting an education paid for by our citizens, or just for the most ridiculous things you could imagine?
The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) is very well funded and very active,... the judicial system is also making some questionable (at least in my eyes) decisions on top of that.
Now that our previous democratic governor has moved onto homeland security,... it makes it scarier,... and yesterday now the Federal government is looking into racial profiling and mistreatment (because he separated the illegals from other inmates - not hispanics mind you - just illegals) by our Sheriff Joe Arpaio, after the "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" groups put pressure on them because he is the one guy doing something about this crap.
People can't see how this creates bias during a trial? Do they also refer to speeders as 'illegals' (since they are also breaking the law). Do they wait to be sure they have been convicted of living in America illegally before calling them illegals? Would you be upset if a guy who was accused of murder (but not convicted) was referred to as a murderer during a completely separate trial? Isn't that EXACTLY what you are all advocating?
Unless the fact that they are living in America illegally has a bearing on the guilt or innocence of the person (such as in the murder of an immigration officer), then they shouldn't be calling them that. Would you also be fine if the prosecution continually referred to a person as Gay in a trial, just to get the bigots on their side? I don't see how a lawyer should need to use the term in most cases, and if they are using it they are intentionally playing on people's feelings towards immigration, as opposed to their opinion of guilt or innocence. That is exactly what a good judge is supposed to stop from happening.
I certainly think this is PC, but this is one area where PC was originally designed for. It's not like he's advocating calling them a 'differently statused citizen', just call them a foreign national instead of an 'illegal'. Also, if they were even convicted of being in the US illegally, shouldn't they have been deported?
Unless the fact that they are living in America illegally has a bearing on the guilt or innocence of the person (such as in the murder of an immigration officer), then they shouldn't be calling them that. Would you also be fine if the prosecution continually referred to a person as Gay in a trial, just to get the bigots on their side? I don't see how a lawyer should need to use the term in most cases, and if they are using it they are intentionally playing on people's feelings towards immigration, as opposed to their opinion of guilt or innocence. That is exactly what a good judge is supposed to stop from happening.
I certainly think this is PC, but this is one area where PC was originally designed for. It's not like he's advocating calling them a 'differently statused citizen', just call them a foreign national instead of an 'illegal'. Also, if they were even convicted of being in the US illegally, shouldn't they have been deported?
So should the lawyers be allowed to call them a beloved patriot?
Everyone here advocates political correctness, they just like to pretend to be all pro free speech when someone points out their latent bigotries.
Can you honestly tell me you think that in most cases a person's immigration status is going to help a group of people ascertain a person's guilt/innocence (in non immigration cases of course).
With the way you defend them, I'm sure you must have someone close in your family. Obviously, it clouds your view of the situation.
What I meant is everyone advocates it without realizing.....for example with regards to racial slurs.
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