Juarez Shooting Up El Paso

[TechBoyJK]

The way to solve drug violence is to legalize drugs.

The way to solve illegal immigration is to legalize it.

The way to solve the problem of bullets being fired across the border is to stay indoors.

Yup, no problem liberals can't solve by simply pretending it isn't a problem.

I'm a conservative. I agree with the first post. Not sure about the others.

 

[piasabird]

If we can take over the middle east why not the mexican border? If someone is shooting at us then we have the right to roll accross the border and eliminate the threat. However, first I would give mexico fair warning and a chance to respond. Maybe we should go to the UN and get sanctions against Mexico. That never worked with any other country but lets give them a chance to at least laugh in our face and turn us down.

Then we will have a legitimate reasons to roll our tanks accross the border. I know there is a big Armored division stationed at the Army base at El Paso, at Ft Bliss, TX. Plus they have helicopters at Biggs Field accross the Highway. So just roll accross the border and start shooting back.

If we shoot up a few border towns maybe they will keep their distance.

 

[Medellon]

I live in El Paso and what is reported in the media is greatly exaggerated at times. This is the second safest big city(over 100,000 pop. I believe)in the country. Local historian Leon Metz has said bullets have been flying from Mexico to El Paso for hundreds of years and doesn't see why everyone is making such a big deal about it now.

Residents here are not living in fear and do not believe the violence will spread to the U.S.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

We should insist on providing military assistance to Mexico and fend off all drug cartels within a reasonable distance of our border (50 miles?).

 

[GuitarDaddy]

We should insist on providing military assistance to Mexico and fend off all drug cartels within a reasonable distance of our border (50 miles?).

LOL, we can't even patrol our side of the border, and you want to send the military to control a 50 mile swath (more than 50,000 square miles) of rocks and cactus on the Mexico side of the border?

 

[CallMeJoe]

The way to solve drug violence is to legalize drugs.

The way to solve illegal immigration is to legalize it.

The way to solve the problem of bullets being fired across the border is to stay indoors.

Yup, no problem liberals can't solve by simply pretending it isn't a problem.

The social and monetary costs of drug use are amplified by the "war on drugs", not diminished. Prohibition has not only failed to reduce drug consumption, it has created a vastly profitable illicit market for the drug cartels and enabled them to corrupt Latin American national and regional governments at a tremendous cost to their societies and to ours.
Make a rational argument in favor of continuing drug prohibition and I shall read and respond. Continue trolling with your "Liberal" stereotypes and you will be deservedly ignored.

FWIW, I do not support ignoring the illegal immigration problem. Employment laws should be enforced as a first step, and illegals (or "undocumenteds" for those who insist) should be detained and deported when discovered.
I do support a "Guest Worker" provision for migrant agricultural workers, since migrant workers actually do jobs that most United States citizens are no longer willing to perform.
I also think that birthright citizenship to children of illegal residents should be reconsidered; there is a legitimate debate if illegals fit the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" clause as intended by the authors of the 14th Amendment and as understood at the time of its passage.

 

[bfdd]

Admit it, you just want cheap weed. Actually I am all for keeping the liberals all stoned because then they will stay at home and not vote. Free pot for all lefties!

i'm no hippie and no liberal, but i smoke weed everyday.

 

[Genx87]

Legalize it all, regulate sales to adults, tax it at a reasonable rate and use part of the revenues to fund drug counseling programs.
Put the drug cartels out of business by abandoning a drug prohibition policy that has failed every bit as spectacularly as alcohol prohibition did. Perhaps then Mexicans would have some chance of regaining control of their country and growing some kind of functional economy to relieve emigration pressures.

/thread

 

[Genx87]

Mexico is a failed state. Forget the middle east, We should take it over asap. At least securing its northern states/regions that border the US.

They recently found 72 more bodies at a ranch along with automatic weapons and 4 trucks disguised as military vehicles. They have lost complete control.

No thanks..............

 

[Genx87]

If we can take over the middle east why not the mexican border? If someone is shooting at us then we have the right to roll accross the border and eliminate the threat. However, first I would give mexico fair warning and a chance to respond. Maybe we should go to the UN and get sanctions against Mexico. That never worked with any other country but lets give them a chance to at least laugh in our face and turn us down.

Then we will have a legitimate reasons to roll our tanks accross the border. I know there is a big Armored division stationed at the Army base at El Paso, at Ft Bliss, TX. Plus they have helicopters at Biggs Field accross the Highway. So just roll accross the border and start shooting back.

If we shoot up a few border towns maybe they will keep their distance.

The people doing the shooting are the drug cartels. They dont care if you raze northern mexico. We dont need to involve an armored division in an internal drug war.

The best thing we could do to help Mexico is legalize these drugs and pull the high profits of the black market these cartels are fighting over right out from under their feet.

 

[Fear No Evil]

The people doing the shooting are the drug cartels. They dont care if you raze northern mexico. We dont need to involve an armored division in an internal drug war.

The best thing we could do to help Mexico is legalize these drugs and pull the high profits of the black market these cartels are fighting over right out from under their feet.

Why does everyone just assume that if you eliminate pot (Maybe some other drugs?) as being illegal that the Cartels are just going to pack up their operations and go away? What are they going to do? Becomes responsible citizens all of a sudden and start contributing to their 401k?

 

[BoomerD]

Why does everyone just assume that if you eliminate pot (Maybe some other drugs?) as being illegal that the Cartels are just going to pack up their operations and go away? What are they going to do? Becomes responsible citizens all of a sudden and start contributing to their 401k?

So true. They'll just find some other criminal endeavor.

If pot is legalized, they'll just invest more heavily into cocaine and meth. If those are legalized...gawd help us.

 

[Zorkorist]

They'll sell drugs, as they do today, but they don't have to kill anyone.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

And nothing really wrong with Cocaine, Heroin, etc.

It's a person's choice.

-John

 

[CallMeJoe]

So true. They'll just find some other criminal endeavor.

They'll find some other illicit enterprise, but without their current high-margin market. Legalization won't put the cartels entirely out of business, but it will seriously crimp their revenue stream and knock them down to a much more manageable threat. Our North American criminal organizations weren't killed by the repeal of Prohibition but were greatly limited in scope. Some were even driven into legitimate businesses.

If pot is legalized, they'll just invest more heavily into cocaine and meth. If those are legalized...gawd help us.

Do you somehow imagine that cocaine and methamphetamine could actually become more available than they are now? They could, however, become less contaminated and less of a risk to their users. The same applies to heroin and other opiates.

 

[Darwin333]

Why does everyone just assume that if you eliminate pot (Maybe some other drugs?) as being illegal that the Cartels are just going to pack up their operations and go away? What are they going to do? Becomes responsible citizens all of a sudden and start contributing to their 401k?

Exactly where will they get the billions they currently do? Frankly I don't give a shit where they go or what they do but if there is no longer billions of profit going to them they will not have the ability to retain the power they currently enjoy.

 

[BoomerD]

They'll find some other illicit enterprise, but without their current high-margin market. Legalization won't put the cartels entirely out of business, but it will seriously crimp their revenue stream and knock them down to a much more manageable threat. Our North American criminal organizations weren't killed by the repeal of Prohibition but were greatly limited in scope. Some were even driven into legitimate businesses.
Do you somehow imagine that cocaine and methamphetamine could actually become more available than they are now? They could, however, become less contaminated and less of a risk to their users. The same applies to heroin and other opiates.

Some other illicit enterprise...like kidnapping for fun and profit? They're already good at that. How about gun-running? Another venture they seem to excel in.

As for the availability of meth and cocaine...yeah, if "hard drugs" were readily available, just hop down to the local CVS and pick up your day's supply of the latest "flavor" of crystal or crank...or heroin/opium, I see that as a HUGE problem for our society.

MUCH better to have consequences for possession/sales of those drugs than to have them available to anyone at any time...with no legal ramifications.

YES, I know they're already available to anyone with the means to buy them...but not without some consequences if you're caught.

Pot on the other hand...I'd support legalization of the "magical herb" if they could develop an accurate means of testing that can determine the difference between the joint you smoked last weekend in the comfort of your living room and the joint you smoked 15 minutes ago while you drove down the freeway.

 

[Darwin333]

They'll find some other illicit enterprise, but without their current high-margin market. Legalization won't put the cartels entirely out of business, but it will seriously crimp their revenue stream and knock them down to a much more manageable threat. Our North American criminal organizations weren't killed by the repeal of Prohibition but were greatly limited in scope. Some were even driven into legitimate businesses.
Do you somehow imagine that cocaine and methamphetamine could actually become more available than they are now? They could, however, become less contaminated and less of a risk to their users. The same applies to heroin and other opiates.

This always amuses me. Damn near anyone can find heroin or meth if they really wanted too. Its readily available in every region in the country, so basically if you want to do it you already can/are.

I have never seen a benefit from putting simple "users" into Criminal University.

 

[Darwin333]

Some other illicit enterprise...like kidnapping for fun and profit? They're already good at that. How about gun-running? Another venture they seem to excel in.

As for the availability of meth and cocaine...yeah, if "hard drugs" were readily available, just hop down to the local CVS and pick up your day's supply of the latest "flavor" of crystal or crank...or heroin/opium, I see that as a HUGE problem for our society.

MUCH better to have consequences for possession/sales of those drugs than to have them available to anyone at any time...with no legal ramifications.

YES, I know they're already available to anyone with the means to buy them...but not without some consequences if you're caught.

Pot on the other hand...I'd support legalization of the "magical herb" if they could develop an accurate means of testing that can determine the difference between the joint you smoked last weekend in the comfort of your living room and the joint you smoked 15 minutes ago while you drove down the freeway.

The problem is those so called "ramifications" are making them into better and smarter criminals because we................................... put them in a place with harder and smarter criminals for long periods of time.


Woohoo, we got a crackhead that has learned a few new criminal trades and we get to arrest him again in a year or so and teach him so new criminal shit!!!

That is the best ya got? Fo real dawg?

 

[Zorkorist]

This always amuses me. Damn near anyone can find heroin or meth if they really wanted too. Its readily available in every region in the country, so basically if you want to do it you already can/are.

I have never seen a benefit from putting simple "users" into Criminal University.

... or dealers... all they are doing is satisfying demand.

We can have them satisfy demand without killing people.

The Government should have learned the story back in Prohibition.

-John

 

[BoomerD]

The problem is those so called "ramifications" are making them into better and smarter criminals because we................................... put them in a place with harder and smarter criminals for long periods of time.


Woohoo, we got a crackhead that has learned a few new criminal trades and we get to arrest him again in a year or so and teach him so new criminal shit!!!

That is the best ya got? Fo real dawg?

So, while the system is far from perfect, your best response is to make all drugs legal and available to anyone who wants them?

<shudders>

 

[Zorkorist]

Boomer,

There is no drug as disruptive as alcohol.

-John

 

[CallMeJoe]

So, while the system is far from perfect, your best response is to make all drugs legal and available to anyone who wants them?
<shudders>

I would hope you could present a better viewpoint than just repeatedly implying "drugs are evil".

 

[BoomerD]

Boomer,

There is no drug as disruptive as alcohol.

-John

Sadly, I agree 100%...many health risks, great social problems, cause of lots of violent behavior...but, the booze manufacturers have a great lobby...plus, we all know how the last prohibition on alcohol turned out...

Unfortunately, hard drugs tend to be MORE addictive, cause more health problems, can lead to greater social issues due to their effects and addictive potential, and many can cause as much or more violence than alcohol.

I'm like a reformed drunk or smoker...I've been there, I've seen first-hand what the hard drugs can do to a person...IMO, you're better off killing addicts than you are legalizing the hard drugs.

 

[Zorkorist]

I understand the pause, but when you look at the real world, and realize how destructive the "War on Drugs" is, then you can take a therapists view on it, and allow them, encourage them, to take drugs.

They are only harming themselves.

-John