Journal News gun permit map used by burglars to target White Plains home?

[emperus]

http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nat...get-white-plains-home-1.4441678#disqus_thread

The reporter who wrote this should have his press pass revoked.

1.) When did it become reporting to speculate without any facts?
2.) Who in their right mind would burglarize a home that you know has a gun in it? I always thought that part of the guns everywhere all the time argument is that more guns make you safer.

I get lost trying to traverse this maze of tattered logic.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

2.) Who in their right mind would...it?[/QUOTE] FTFY & answered your question.

 

[PokerGuy]

Reporters speculate all the time, and it's fine as long as they don't present that speculation as fact. Notice that the headline has a "?" behind it, it's not being presented as a fact, but rather as a possibility. Since the burglars tried to steal the guns there is plenty of reason to speculate that the map might have played a role.

As to point #2, guns and weapons are one of the preferred targets of thieves. They are easy to sell for big money, or they can be used for future crimes. If the thief knows there are guns in the home and watches the homeowners leave, they know they can go in and steal guns.

 

[emperus]

Reporters speculate all the time, and it's fine as long as they don't present that speculation as fact. Notice that the headline has a "?" behind it, it's not being presented as a fact, but rather as a possibility. Since the burglars tried to steal the guns there is plenty of reason to speculate that the map might have played a role.

As to point #2, guns and weapons are one of the preferred targets of thieves. They are easy to sell for big money, or they can be used for future crimes. If the thief knows there are guns in the home and watches the homeowners leave, they know they can go in and steal guns.

So, do having guns in your home make you safer or not? Also, is a gun easier to sell than say numerous other valuable possessions that can be stolen from a home without taking the risk that you my be shot.

You really don't see how contorted your logic is?

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, wait a minute. Now owning a gun is a magnet for home invasion? I thought criminals were supposed to fear gun owners, one of the supposed benefits of arming a greater portion of society.

This is getting confusing.

 

[FerrelGeek]

So, do having guns in your home make you safer or not? Also, is a gun easier to sell than say numerous other valuable possessions that can be stolen from a home without taking the risk that you my be shot.

You really don't see how contorted your logic is?

If you're home AND know how to use them, odds are yes. If you're not home, of course not as guns don't jump up and fire without a hand to wield them and pull the trigger. Not saying that to insult you, it's just that that simple fact is lost on some anti-gun zealots.

 

[PokerGuy]

So, do having guns in your home make you safer or not? Also, is a gun easier to sell than say numerous other valuable possessions that can be stolen from a home without taking the risk that you my be shot.

You really don't see how contorted your logic is?

Having guns in your home makes you safer, but having someone else make that fact public information makes you less safe. Nothing contorted about it, they are not mutually exclusive.

 

[PokerGuy]

Yeah, wait a minute. Now owning a gun is a magnet for home invasion? I thought criminals were supposed to fear gun owners, one of the supposed benefits of arming a greater portion of society.

This is getting confusing.

It's only confusing if you're being purposefully obtuse. To any brain not clouded by liberal fog, it's perfectly clear.

 

[Genx87]

Yeah, wait a minute. Now owning a gun is a magnet for home invasion? I thought criminals were supposed to fear gun owners, one of the supposed benefits of arming a greater portion of society.

This is getting confusing.

I dont see why this is confusing. Anybody looking to steal a gun has a roadmap to case homes. They wait until the home owners leave and go steal their guns.

 

[momeNt]

Yeah, wait a minute. Now owning a gun is a magnet for home invasion? I thought criminals were supposed to fear gun owners, one of the supposed benefits of arming a greater portion of society.

This is getting confusing.

This robbery wouldn't have happened if the victim didn't own a gun. There isn't anything confusing about it, owning a gun makes you a target of both criminals and the government. Voluntarily relinquish your firearms or face the wrath of criminals or government, or both, or are they the same? That's what is confusing.

 

[Incorruptible]

Here is another article, This was bound to happen once they published the names and addresses of law abiding citizens. Its time to stop this gun control.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...s-home-outed-by-newspaper-is-burglarized.html

 

[TheVrolok]

Could be simple coincidence, but wouldn't surprise me in the least if it wasn't. This outcome was my first thought when the list was published.

 

[emperus]

Here is another article, This was bound to happen once they published the names and addresses of law abiding citizens. Its time to stop this gun control.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...s-home-outed-by-newspaper-is-burglarized.html

I posted the article that this foxnews article relies. This foxnews article makes my point about the carelessness of the original newsday article.

 

[emperus]

This robbery wouldn't have happened if the victim didn't own a gun. There isn't anything confusing about it, owning a gun makes you a target of both criminals and the government. Voluntarily relinquish your firearms or face the wrath of criminals or government, or both, or are they the same? That's what is confusing.

What robbery wouldn't have happened? How do you know that? Were you the robber? The article says no such thing.

 

[momeNt]

What robbery wouldn't have happened? How do you know that? Were you the robber? The article says no such thing.

I don't have to know to know.

You blame the map but it's there to protect citizens from people that are 1 step closer to putting a bullet in someone's head than a non gun-owner/follower of the true 2nd amendment.

 

[emperus]

I dont see why this is confusing. Anybody looking to steal a gun has a roadmap to case homes. They wait until the home owners leave and go steal their guns.

Please, give me stats and figures of people going to purposely steal guns. Legal guns have serial numbers and can't be resold unless on the black market. And do you think someone is going to make a criminal enterprise out of stealing these guns on this list and reselling them? Don't you think there is too much risk involved? 1.) aren't guns usually locked in a safe? 2.) Isn't there an increased risk someone (someone at home) will shoot you or the person took their legal gun with them and come back and shoot you? Or you kill them and now become a murderer?

It doesn't seem ur stance is well thought out.

Lastly, the research I've done points to most guns being stolen as a burglar is trying to steal something else and finds the gun. A lot being stolen as people put their legal guns under their car seat. If you have anything outside of ur conjecture on this matter please link it for me.

 

[sigurros81]

All this shit is already public knowledge, if a thief is inclined to break into someone's house to steal their firearms, all he has to do is a bit of research.

 

[emperus]

I don't have to know to know.
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Very well said. I'll just make a point to never read anything you ever post. Thanks for helping me with that.

 

[Genx87]

Please, give me stats and figures of people going to purposely steal guns. Legal guns have serial numbers and can't be resold unless on the black market. And do you think someone is going to make a criminal enterprise out of stealing these guns on this list and reselling them? Don't you think there is too much risk involved? 1.) aren't guns usually locked in a safe? 2.) Isn't their an increased risk someone (someone at home) will shoot you or the person took their legal gun with them and come back and shoot you? Or you kill them and now become a murderer?

It doesn't seem ur stance is well thought out.

Lastly, the research I've done points to most guns being stolen as a burglar is trying to steal something else and finds the gun. A lot being stolen as people put their legal guns under their car seat. If you have anything outside of ur conjecture on this matter please link it for me.

Gee you think they end up on the black markets? Nothing gets by you. Look, unless the robbers admit they used the local newspapers map you are right, we cant say with 100 % certainty they were there to only steal his guns. But I think it is suspect his house was on the list the newspaper published and the robbers hit it when he wasnt home and only tried to steal his guns according to the linked article.

 

[emperus]

Gee you think they end up on the black markets? Nothing gets by you. Look, unless the robbers admit they used the local newspapers map you are right, we cant say with 100 % certainty they were there to only steal his guns. But I think it is suspect his house was on the list the newspaper published and the robbers hit it when he wasnt home and only tried to steal his guns according to the linked article.

Why is it suspect? Look at the map that was published. There are huge swats with big percentages of gun owners. The probability of any robber robbing a gun owner even without the map is high. A good article for this idiot who wrote this one is seeing how many of the homes on the list were robbed before the map came out. But that would require actual reporting.

2ndly, The article is very poorly written. It doesn't say if anything else was stolen. And the fact they already caught one of the thieves is suspect in itself. Makes one wonder if it were an inside job to begin with.

 

[Genx87]

Why is it suspect? Look at the map that was published. There are huge swats with big percentages of gun owners. The probability of any robber robbing a gun owner even without the map is high. A good article for this idiot who wrote this one is seeing how many of the homes on the list were robbed before the map came out. But that would require actual reporting.

2ndly, The article is very poorly written. It doesn't say if anything else was stolen. And the fact they already caught one of the thieves is suspect in itself. Makes one wonder if it were an inside job to begin with.

Why is it suspect? Really? They broke in at 9:30 PM on a Satuday when he wasnt home and only tried to steal the gun safe. This isnt rocket science.

What is your problem with this article? That it points out another newspaper publishing a public list that puts the public in danger is stupid?

 

[TerryMathews]

I don't have to know to know.

You blame the map but it's there to protect citizens from people that are 1 step closer to putting a bullet in someone's head than a non gun-owner/follower of the true 2nd amendment.

Thank God we have you to tell us what the Constitution REALLY means. Anything else you can translate for us from English to liberal? How about the 5th, that means you're guilty right?

The Supreme Court disagrees with you. But I'm sure their opinion doesn't count either right?

 

[fskimospy]

Why is it suspect? Really? They broke in at 9:30 PM on a Satuday when he wasnt home and only tried to steal the gun safe. This isnt rocket science.

What is your problem with this article? That it points out another newspaper publishing a public list that puts the public in danger is stupid?

Wow, burglars tried to steal a safe? Why I never!

I am unaware of any evidence that shows knowing someone has a gun makes a burglary more likely. Of course rationally this then also means that if true, increasing gun ownership will make burglary a more attractive crime.

 

[emperus]

Why is it suspect? Really? They broke in at 9:30 PM on a Satuday when he wasnt home and only tried to steal the gun safe. This isnt rocket science.

What is your problem with this article? That it points out another newspaper publishing a public list that puts the public in danger is stupid?

Where in the article does it say they ONLY tried to steal the gun safe and ONLY because they knew guns were inside? So do you believe the robbers cased the joint and waited for a 70 year old man to leave on a Saturday night? It's a poorly written article, that was written to get leads to their website. The write has no proof that the house was targeted, yet leads with that title.

I don't see how publishing legal information of people who own weapons designed to kill puts anyone at risk. I find it laughable that those who have weapons in their home are worried that they are at risk for anything. Simply amazing. The people who don't have weapons should be the ones concerned? No? Do you take the same um-bridge when they post the names of child molesters?

 

[waggy]

Yes a gun can make you safer and a target. yes both at the same time.

Not everyone is going to have the gun ready for an attack. So if you know the house has a gun and nobody is home you have a chance to get it.

the best situation is for the thief not to know you have said gun and if you are home have it in reach.