Jordanian double-agent killed CIA officers

[JohnOfSheffield]

You aren't paid to think grunt.

Well grunts are not but i am not under ANY command of ANY nation so a bit of thinking is required.

 

[werepossum]

Palehorse still has a good point, a lot of good people on our side died, and even worse they have famdamily who grieve.

But sadly when we as carelessly deliver that same fate to the other side and rejoice in our own dubious forward progress, when we kill anyone who even happens to be maybe within 10 miles of a bad guy. Not only does the same grieve occur on the other side, a legacy of NEW hatreds is built.

I might point out that in a cold war the West Won, one alternative was mutual assured destruction, yet when that vicious peace monger Gorbachev realized that capitalism was the superior system, our military industrial complex took it hard. Oh, God no do not take the peace dividend and cut our funding, we can invent so many new enemies to keep killing and killing and killing. DO NOT MAKE PEACE WHEN WE CAN MAKE EVERYONE HATE US.

You need a history lesson, dude. Gorbachev never decided capitalism was the superior system, he wanted a kinder, more open communism that would hopefully be more productive and hopefully compete with the west. What he learned was that you can't keep a kinder, gentler foot on someone's neck; they still want it gone. In his case Yeltsin and the Russian people rose up and cast down the chains of Communist oppression. There's really no reason to not know this unless you were not a functioning adult in the early 90s, as most of it was carried live on CNN, from Gorbie's many speeches (and the accompanying liberal Gorbasms) to glasnost to the inevitable revolts to Yeltsin et al climbing aboard a Soviet tank and facing and backing down the Soviet political paramilitary forces.

 

[jonks]

I'd say that is a pretty ringing endorsement considering how many other govts types over the thousands of years of civilization have been tried.

ya know, that's not a completely idiotic point.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You need a history lesson, dude. Gorbachev never decided capitalism was the superior system, he wanted a kinder, more open communism that would hopefully be more productive and hopefully compete with the west. What he learned was that you can't keep a kinder, gentler foot on someone's neck; they still want it gone. In his case Yeltsin and the Russian people rose up and cast down the chains of Communist oppression. There's really no reason to not know this unless you were not a functioning adult in the early 90s, as most of it was carried live on CNN, from Gorbie's many speeches (and the accompanying liberal Gorbasms) to glasnost to the inevitable revolts to Yeltsin et al climbing aboard a Soviet tank and facing and backing down the Soviet political paramilitary forces.

Actually, Gorbachev wanted a more open systen that would transition into a completely open system, Jeltsin and his maffia wanted to reap the sow as fast as possible and they did.

Today Russia is a country with more corruption than government and the only means to survive is to steal or be related to one who has a job so you can get a job.

A slower transition would have benefitted russia, something that the EU nations and the US did not want at all.

It's a world market, feed your own and to hell with everyone else.

 

[Zebo]

GET THESE TWATS OUT OF THERE!

They are not military and not part of any kind of intelligence mission, get them the FUCK out of there, i'd shot them myself if i encountered them.

I don't need more fucktwats screwing shit up than there already are, let special operations handle it as they were meant to do... oh, i get it, it's about the documents, well sucks that the first team in secured them then and you are still looking for them?

Stupid twats will reamain stupid twats and put other stupid twats in harms way, if you are in my way and not on my list you are dead.

Many CIA are former special ops. SOG for example - Special Operations Group.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Well grunts are not but i am not under ANY command of ANY nation so a bit of thinking is required.

You are under the command of ME. Do my bidding.

 

[Zebo]

I'm saying that i'm the Captain of the TFB SAS.

Who dares wins.

Better keep you name and exploits out of BBS as UK becomes fundiville they may come for you at home.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...der-family-of-sniper-soldier-115875-21937844/

British Al-Qaeda plot to murder family of sniper soldier

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By Rupert Hamer 3/01/2010

British-based al-Qaeda fanatics threatened to kill a soldier's family after learning his sniper team had killed 32 Taliban.

Armed police were sent to his home after anti-terrorism officers uncovered the plot to murder his parents.

The plans came to light when the security services monitored "chatter" - believed to be on mobile phones or the internet - between al-Qaeda extremists.

It is the second time a soldier or his loved ones are known to have been targeted in the UK by groups linked to al-Qaeda. The chilling threats came after the serviceman was praised in reports in the media for his skills during a tour in Afghanistan.

The soldier, in his 20s and from Scotland, is a "spotter" who has been working alongside a crack marksman in one of the Army's highly-skilled twoman sniper teams. 3to He and his colleague were hailed heroes for gunning down 32 Taliban fighters in Helmand Province. The Sunday Mirror is not identifying him for his and his family's safety.

Police investigating the threats were sent to his home fearing al-Qaeda sympathisers were on the verge of brutally attacking his relatives in twisted retaliation for his military service.

It is feared they planned to film the raid and post the footage on a jihad website.

Sniper teams - who play a vital role in killing off key Taliban commanders - are now being warned not give their details to the public.

A senior security source told the Sunday Mirror: "The threat was credible and imminent.

"The family of this soldier were deliberately targeted. The threats came from a terrorist Muslim group based in Britain.

"Disturbingly they had traced the soldier's family home. There is now real concern over revealing the details of snipers. Their activities appear to incite more reaction among radicalised Muslims in Britain than regular soldiers."

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It is not known whether the group behind the threats was traced and identified by our security services or police.

The revelation follows a plot by an al-Qaeda cell in Birmingham to kidnap a soldier and behead him on the internet in 2007.

The six-man terror group was led by Paviz Khan, a 37-year-old father-of-three, who planned to kidnap a Muslim soldier and post a film on the internet of him being executed to try to deter other Muslims from joining the Army.

The plan was thwarted after a year-long surveillance operation by MI5 and members of the West Midlands counter-terrorist unit.

Khan was later jailed for life.

Last night the MoD did not want to comment about the latest plot because of security concerns.

They kill with just one bullet

The name sniper first appeared in the 1770s among British soldiers in India - it referred to men skilled enough to kill the elusive snipe bird.

Just 120 soldiers a year are chosen for the Army's elite sniper training course in Wiltshire.

The Army has around 330 snipers - around 25 of them in Helmand Province. SNIPERS operate in two-man teams - a shooter and spotter. The pair often swap roles to avoid eye fatigue.

Snipers are seen as very cost effective, averaging 1.3 bullets per kill.

 

[Generator]

I can't think of a surer way to lose this undeclared war in Afghanistan than by having the CIA involved. Before the double agent murdered those 7, he was feeding them a years worth of misinformation. I now starting to understand how the CIA manages to bomb civilians again and again...embarrassing Americans in front of the world.

I can't think of a more un-American thing than the CIA. These institutions of evil should be left to the fascists (Russians) and the vicious (British). We are the good guys and because of that we will never be good at this shit. This sort of fighting fire with fire villainy is simply not for us. Whats even more damning is the quote that the CIA will get revenge on the bad guys. Its a if what the CIA actually wants is important. I don't give a shit what the CIA wants and neither should any other American. You would hope that the CIA is there to assist in winning this war, not perpetuate it. Sadly my hopes would settle for a reduction in incompetence.

 

[Dari]

/facepalm

Yeah, just like the 'reformed' Jihadi who put a bomb in his rectum and tried to blow up the Saudi Minister of Defense.

This is sad but also very interesting

Via MSNBC

So we thought he was working for us but he was working for al-qaida...

I like reading stories like this. Then going back to stories like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/03/cia.bombing.claims/index.html

Taliban factions compete for credit in CIA bombing deaths
By Tom Cohen, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Afghan Taliban says bomber was Afghan soldier; Pakistani Taliban says he was Jordanian
Experts interviewed by CNN say evidence appears to point to Afghan Taliban responsibility
Coordinator of U.N. Taliban monitoring team: Attack can enhance groups' reputations
Seven CIA employees were killed in Wednesday's attack
RELATED TOPICS
Afghanistan
Central Intelligence Agency
The Taliban
Washington (CNN) -- It was one of the worst blows ever to America's intelligence community -- a suicide bombing that killed seven CIA officers in Afghanistan.

Now U.S. enemies seem to be competing to garner credit for last week's attack.

The varying claims of responsibility from Taliban groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan may be both complementary and competitive as militants seek to spread the word and attract fresh donations and recruits, analysts said Sunday.

"It's a tremendous boost for any group out there that can claim killing CIA" officers, said Richard Barrett, coordinator of the United Nations Taliban and al Qaeda Monitoring Team.

Details about Wednesday's attack are murky. A senior U.S. official said information suggested a bomber walked into a gym facility at Forward Operating Base Chapman, located in Khost Province near the border of Pakistan, and detonated bombs in a suicide vest.

It was not known how the bomber got past security. In a posting on its Web site Thursday, the Taliban in Afghanistan claimed the bomber was an Afghan National Army soldier.

On Sunday, however, Pakistani Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud said in an e-mail that "we claim the responsibility for the attack on the CIA in Afghanistan."

"It was a revenge for the killing of Baitullah Mehsud and the killing of al Qaeda's Abdullah by CIA," the message said. Baitullah Mehsud was the former Pakistani Taliban leader killed in an August missile attack, while the reference to Abdullah was unclear.

"The suicide bomber was a Jordanian national. This will be admitted by the CIA and the Jordanian government," the message said.

Barrett and two other experts interviewed Sunday by CNN said the location of the attack and the ability to infiltrate a CIA operation indicated that the Afghan Taliban were responsible.

The attack occurred at a forward operating base, which a U.S. intelligence official acknowledged was a crucial CIA post and a "hub of activity." The main purpose of CIA forward operating bases in Afghanistan, officials have noted, is to recruit informants and to plan and coordinate covert operations, including drone surveillance and targeting.

Reva Bhalla, director of analysis for STRATFOR, an international intelligence company, said initial reports indicated a local tribesman gained the trust of the foreign operatives by providing information needed for missile strikes by unmanned drones in the border region.

Eventually, the tribesman -- essentially a double agent -- became an operative by carrying out the bombing, Bhalla said. She stressed her information was unverified, but said it pointed to an Afghan Taliban operation.

The attack was "a huge blow, symbolically and tactically," because it eliminated such a large number of CIA officers who can require years to become ingrained in the region, Bhalla said. In addition, the attack showed the ability of the Taliban to penetrate perhaps the most difficult of targets -- a CIA base, she said.

To Fawaz Gerges, professor of Middle Eastern politics at the London School of Economics, such infiltration would be extremely difficult for a foreigner, as claimed by the Pakistani Taliban. Gerges called it unlikely for a Jordanian to acquire the necessary cultural assimilation -- including language skills -- to gain access in the tribal region.

While the differing claims of responsibility may benefit groups on the ground by raising their profile among local populations, they also reveal a lack of cohesiveness between the Taliban groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Gerges noted.

"The fact that both sides have taken credit tells me there is not much coordination and collaboration between the two groups," Gerges said.

An American intelligence official vowed last week that the United States would avenge the attack. Two of those killed were contractors with private security firm Xe, formerly known as Blackwater, a former intelligence official told CNN. The CIA considers contractors to be officers.

Former CIA official Robert Richer called it "the greatest loss of life for the Central Intelligence Agency since the Beirut Embassy bombing" in 1983, which killed eight agents.

"These brave Americans were part of a long line of patriots who have made great sacrifices for their fellow citizens, and for our way of life," President Obama said in a written statement. "The United States would not be able to maintain the freedom and security that we cherish without decades of service from the dedicated men and women of the CIA."

Among the Taliban and other Islamic extremists fighting U.S. forces, the CIA is considered one of the most enviable targets because it represents a hidden force attacking militant leadership, Barrett said.

In addition, a suicide bombing is a "more daring and successful operation" than a roadside bomb, further enhancing the reputation of those believed to have pulled it off, Barrett said.

The fluidity of Taliban networks means that even though different people are claiming responsibility, they could represent the same general cause and complement each other in raising their profile while boosting recruiting and attracting more donations, according to Barrett.

For the Pakistani Taliban, claiming credit for the attack also could bring the desired goal of increased U.S. military activity against Taliban and al Qaeda targets in Pakistan, Bhalla said. U.S. attacks by unmanned drones and other military support in Pakistan are politically volatile, threatening stability as the Pakistani Taliban seeks to undermine the government, she said.

"We've seen how the [Pakistani Taliban] has been able to exploit drone attacks" for recruiting purposes, Bhalla said.

On Sunday, a local administration official and an intelligence official told CNN that two guided missiles struck a compound in the Pakistani village of Musaki in North Waziristan suspected of being a gathering place for local and foreign militants.

The attack killed Sadiq Noor, a teacher, and his 9-year-old son, according to the sources, who said the missiles were believed to have been fired by an unmanned drone. There was no immediate U.S. confirmation of the attack.

 

[Zebo]

I can't think of a surer way to lose this undeclared war in Afghanistan than by having the CIA involved. Before the double agent murdered those 7, he was feeding them a years worth of misinformation. I now starting to understand how the CIA manages to bomb civilians again and again...embarrassing Americans in front of the world.

I can't think of a more un-American thing than the CIA. These institutions of evil should be left to the fascists (Russians) and the vicious (British). We are the good guys and because of that we will never be good at this shit. This sort of fighting fire with fire villainy is simply not for us. Whats even more damning is the quote that the CIA will get revenge on the bad guys. Its a if what the CIA actually wants is important. I don't give a shit what the CIA wants and neither should any other American. You would hope that the CIA is there to assist in winning this war, not perpetuate it. Sadly my hopes would settle for a reduction in incompetence.

Like a bully in HS the only thing they understand is a baseball bat to the head. That's why we have CIA - just need to be sure bullied doesn't become bully. Hence congressional oversight.

 

[Nebor]

Wait...are you really saying you're in the SAS?

He's been saying it for years. No one takes him seriously because most of the time he's drunk off his ass insulting people, and making outlandish claims about having personal machine guns in the UK and shooting 1 inch groups at 1000 yards with his 30-06.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Like a bully in HS the only thing they understand is a baseball bat to the head. That's why we have CIA - just need to be sure bullied doesn't become bully. Hence congressional oversight.

Hence congressional oversight. -- what a freakin joke!! Congressional over = all cia members getting killed! -- You really have yto iether be stoopid or nieve to think that congress is capable of over seeing anything!!

 

[Dari]

I was also worried about the 'vengeance' the CIA seeks. It sounds to me like they will make things worse.

 

[Craig234]

Well regardless of your feelings on our current foreign policy, these were still men with families who will be missed, they were performing their jobs and defending our country.

We may not be pursuing the wisest course of action, but these men had no say in that.

Without 'takeing sides' on the conflict, the fact is these people had a say. Plenty of people have resigned or not signed up for duty for conflicts they disagree with.

(In fact, I know one who considered blowing out his eardrum, or moving to Canada, or letting his father use political connections to get him a spot in a 'champagn unit', but he does count, he supported the war).

I think it's *very* imortant to note moral accuntability lies with the individual, and the idea the government relieves you of it is wrong and a formular for great evil. You choose to serve, you approve the war.

 

[dahunan]

Save a soldier; kill a politician

 

[ayabe]

Without 'takeing sides' on the conflict, the fact is these people had a say. Plenty of people have resigned or not signed up for duty for conflicts they disagree with.

(In fact, I know one who considered blowing out his eardrum, or moving to Canada, or letting his father use political connections to get him a spot in a 'champagn unit', but he does count, he supported the war).

I think it's *very* imortant to note moral accuntability lies with the individual, and the idea the government relieves you of it is wrong and a formular for great evil. You choose to serve, you approve the war.

There's a huge difference between disagreeing with a strategy and disagreeing with a war completely, which is what I am referring to. I will not agree that there is anything immoral about what we are trying to do in Afghanistan, nor do I believe that these men are purposefully engaging in immoral actions.