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jonpeddie: nvidia keeps losing market share

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dakU7 said:
But I still don't see the point of having one.
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You might not see the point but for some people it might replace some of the netbooks they're using and it might not appeal to everybody. It has a longer battery life combined with the dock (16 hrs), now imagine one of this with a Tegra3 and it might start to replace some laptops as well.
 
Rayb said:
You might not see the point but for some people it might replace some of the netbooks they're using and it might not appeal to everybody. It has a longer battery life combined with the dock (16 hrs), now imagine one of this with a Tegra3 and it might start to replace some laptops as well.
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That would certainly interest me, but I'm ingrained in the Windows side of computing. Such a system would need to be x86 based for me. I've got too much stuff on Steam I'd want to take with me!
 
wahdangun said:
this is VnG NOT ABOUT GADGET, PHONE OR TABLET. And this thread ABOUT PC AND LAPTOP GRAPHIC
Please I just want to enjoy the thread, without thread derailing.

if you don't have anything good to post then get off.

btw its really irony isn't it, two years ago amd market share is almost non existent and everyone talking about the doom of amd but now two years later amd have gained market share, its even surpass nvdia in laptop segment, its truely unbelieveable amd can do in 2 years
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Sorry, but the thread title specifically states that it is about Nvidia's market share. That alone kind of leaves any product by Nvidia to be discussed.
By your own logic, this is VcG, not the financial forum section so technically this thread shouldn't even be here. But since it is and we have no financial forum section, here we are. If you don't like what people are posting, debate them. If you feel they are posting out of forum rules or guidelines, report them. Let a moderator decide whether your claim is worthy, or bogus.
 
3DVagabond said:
Most people don't upgrade anything in their computer. Most people buy a new component, or whole PC, when the one they have craps out. That has nothing to do with nVidia's shrinking market share. That effects all the manufacturers equally. That might make the market smaller, overall, but not for one company more so than any other.

It's because they're loosing the battle in the graphics market. People can try and make it unimportant, but it's not. It's their bread and butter core business.
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It's important. But, nVidia's bread and butter is more-so discrete GPU's, which they still hold the over-all share, with a gain in mobile discrete and a loss in desktop discrete. With integration becoming a priority for AMD and Intel, and PC gaming growing into new and exciting small factors, of course discrete share isn't going to look too exciting in the context of over-all GPU share moving forward.

So what does one do?

Without an x86 license there is no way nVidia can compete with Intel and AMD with integrated offerings and will lose share.

Continue to be strong in discrete and workstation and look for growth with GPU Processing and Tegra. The key for over-all share may be with how many Tegra chips nVidia sells moving forward. It may cloud sectors or redefine them.
 
That article is full of crap for all im concerned. Responding to JPR Market Figures is just another take at the ever useful "attacking is the best defence" angle.
 
Where on Earth are you getting attacking from? Responding does not translate as attacking! Jon Peddie and Mercury Research are very respected when it comes to market share.
 
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Madcatatlas said:
That article is full of crap for all im concerned. Responding to JPR Market Figures is just another take at the ever useful "attacking is the best defence" angle.
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What? Did you even read the article? They didn't question JPR Market Figures. Instead they provided a more detailed breakdown of how the market share figures are split across the desktop and mobile discrete sectors, separate from integrated graphics. For people like us who pretty much only care about the desktop discrete market, having access to accurate discrete GPU market share numbers is anything but "full of crap" and "attacking" the numbers.

Looks to me like NV has a 51% market share in the combined desktop and notebook shipments, with 49% going to AMD with next to no change over the past two quarters. However, NV's market share is a whopping 59.4% in the desktop discrete GPU market (as far as us PC gamers are concerned, this is the most relevant market for us). Looks like GTX4xx and 5xx series sold well despite all the 'doom and gloom' we have heard on this forum since GTX4xx series launched 1 year ago. Of course AMD still has a significant lead in the mobile space.
 
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Some of you might like this news story on tablets

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tablet-era-20110506,0,5144993.story

Personally I think I'd get a tablet only when they fall to much more reasonable prices and use it mostly as a (literal) notepad to write reminders to myself or update my google calendar etc. Even then, I'd probably input a lot of notes on my smartphone and laptop and desktop as well. One thing that worries me is if I'd need to pay for a data plan to link up the tablet to a 3G or 4G network or if it can accept tethering easily. If not, then I might give up on the tablet, because I'm not going to run around trying to find a wifi connection to help sync up my desktop/laptop/tablet/smartphone... and even if it could tether, I might just give up on the middleman (tablet) and input directly into my phone if there weren't too much to scrawl.
 
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I dont think you will be sold on Tablets. Your mind is made up. But that article didnt mention the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer. That tablet which goes for 399 has a dock option with a keyboard for another 149. ASUS's idea is just the beginning. Tablets will have dock options in the future for a full keyboard + USB devices and of course video out.

And eventually so will phones imo.
 
RussianSensation said:
Looks like GTX4xx and 5xx series sold well despite all the 'doom and gloom' we have heard on this forum since GTX4xx series launched 1 year ago. Of course AMD still has a significant lead in the mobile space.
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It might even be true but you can't conclude that from that data.

Nvidia desktop sales aren't exclusively GTX460/470/480 and GTX560/570/580/590.

It seems deja-vu from some other report thread from last year or something.
 
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Genx87 said:
I dont think you will be sold on Tablets. Your mind is made up. But that article didnt mention the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer. That tablet which goes for 399 has a dock option with a keyboard for another 149. ASUS's idea is just the beginning. Tablets will have dock options in the future for a full keyboard + USB devices and of course video out.

And eventually so will phones imo.
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No my mind is not made up. I don't know why you say that. Phone network access and price matter a lot to me, but I can see the appeal of scrawling stuff and holding it one-handed as opposed to lugging my laptop around. I also think the tablet differential is overstated: go to SSD and toss the optical drive, limit expansion possibilities, and you could make a netbook with a keyboard as well. There may be room for a middle ground other than tablet + mouse and keyboard.

As for phone docks, they are already here. Heck, they make docks for my Thunderbolt, not that I plan to get one.
 
RussianSensation said:
What? Did you even read the article? They didn't question JPR Market Figures. Instead they provided a more detailed breakdown of how the market share figures are split across the desktop and mobile discrete sectors, separate from integrated graphics. For people like us who pretty much only care about the desktop discrete market, having access to accurate discrete GPU market share numbers is anything but "full of crap" and "attacking" the numbers.

Looks to me like NV has a 51% market share in the combined desktop and notebook shipments, with 49% going to AMD with next to no change over the past two quarters. However, NV's market share is a whopping 59.4% in the desktop discrete GPU market (as far as us PC gamers are concerned, this is the most relevant market for us). Looks like GTX4xx and 5xx series sold well despite all the 'doom and gloom' we have heard on this forum since GTX4xx series launched 1 year ago. Of course AMD still has a significant lead in the mobile space.
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Actually these numbers are better for comparing who's buying a GT430 vs AMD 5450.
When amd gets there Llano chips out and hopefully starts removing some of these lower class GPU's from the sales pipeline we'll actually get something that we can compare as far as gaming goes.
 
Rezist said:
Actually these numbers are better for comparing who's buying a GT430 vs AMD 5450.
When amd gets there Llano chips out and hopefully starts removing some of these lower class GPU's from the sales pipeline we'll actually get something that we can compare as far as gaming goes.
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Good point.

In the meantime, we can entertain ourselves with the Steam Hardware Survey to gauge gamers' hardware systems. Unless there is a better alternative that I am not aware of.
 
blastingcap said:
Good point.

In the meantime, we can entertain ourselves with the Steam Hardware Survey to gauge gamers' hardware systems. Unless there is a better alternative that I am not aware of.
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http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
I agree, but lately these numbers don't mean anything, they show the 570, 580 selling well. Or at least showing people using them on steam, VS less presence of 6950/ 70

There is also Tiger Direct's front page.

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EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB GD
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EVGA GeForce GTX 580 Fermi Sup
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EVGA GeForce 9500 GT 1GB DDR2
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EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti SuperC
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EVGA GeForce GTX 570 SuperCloc
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What's the landscape in just 12-18 month?

AMD's roadmap for 2012 shows second generation Bulldozer APUs coming on line.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...w_Micro_Architectures_Process_Technology.html

"Advanced Micro Devices seems to be planning extremely rapid transition of its desktop microprocessors to 32nm silicon-on-insulator fabrication process, a person with knowledge of the matter said. By the second quarter of 2012 virtually all AMD processors will be made using 32nm SOI technology and be based on new designs."

And on the Intel side, Ivy Bridge will be in full swing.

Just that fast Nvidia's x86 gpu mass and OEM markets are effectively GONE.

Those are the markets that traditionally amortized the cost of developing new GPU designs. Without that amortization Nvidia's mid to high end discrete and professional markets will no longer be cash cows and Nvidia will need to execute their GPU designs almost flawlessly just to maintain profitability.

As for the mobile/tablet market, both Intel and AMD intend to compete effectively in those markets, Intel with their very considerable process node advantage and AMD by leveraging their ever increasing APU expertise. This in addition to the established players Nvidia faces.

A year from now will see Nvidia with no cash cows in operation and none in sight, pushed by necessity into a far more competitive market than it ever faced against ATI/AMD.

Nvidia has a very hard road ahead and for an indefinite time, that's not speculation, and it's not Nvidia bashing, that's just a hard cold fact.
 
Rezist said:
Actually these numbers are better for comparing who's buying a GT430 vs AMD 5450.
When amd gets there Llano chips out and hopefully starts removing some of these lower class GPU's from the sales pipeline we'll actually get something that we can compare as far as gaming goes.
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There are still Intel low end systems to consider as well as non Fusion AMD processors. I'm sure we'll see another 160 SP part in the 7000 series or a replacement in the 320 SP area of performance when 28 nm rolls around.
 
notty22 said:
AMD Gains In Discrete Graphics Market Share, So What? Forbes
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It's not "so what". So long as the integrated GPUs in the Fusion chips keep getting more and more powerful (which they will), AMD is going to continue to gain marketshare with nVidia (and Intel will as well).

AMD has talked about multi-cored GPUs being built into their future CPUs. In effect, they are going to dedicate more die space to the GPU. If they turn around and build in a DDR5 slot or two into their future motherboards, nVidia better be careful because they will be relegated to a small niche market.

nVidia is moving into the ARM arena for a reason. They have probably accepted the fact that they will lose marketshare due to the current market reality when it comes to APUs.
 
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