Jon Stewart on CNN Crossfire

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klah

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Crossfire and Stewart's book publisher are part of the same company, Time Warner Inc.

CNN: Time Warner Cable
'America' publisher: Time Warner Book Group

It looks like their infomercial is succeeding.

Now they even have fake little press releases about an ongoing 'feud' between them. :roll:
 

40Hands

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John said on his show that he would like to make it clear that he thought they all were dicks and not just Carlson.. :D
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: BroeBo
John said on his show that he would like to make it clear that he thought they all were dicks and not just Carlson.. :D

Wish I had the Transcript of last night's Daily Show, they were hilatious.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: conjur
Right...I'm talking about the REST of CNN. Wolf Blitzer, Judy Woodruff and others.

so you think every major television network is biased towards Bush? CNN is about the same as msnbc/nbc/cbs/abc (CBS only when they aren't forging documents about Bush). Fox is admittedly more to the right than the rest, but that doesn't make their reporting invalid or wrong, its just a different perspective. And obviously people like it, look at the ratings.
No, CNN is not the same as MSNBC/NBC, ABC, and CBS.

And, FAUX has reported twice recently items that were false and they had to retract quickly. I've never liked Dan Rather, I think he's a boor. "Courage".

And, as far as ratings. FAUX, on its best day, is still far behind CBS on its worst.

so what if its behind network news? During the debates it was barely behind cbs/abc, by about 1 million people. It's a cable news network challenging network states that have been around for 60 years! It's been in existance 8 years. Pretty good if you ask me.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Engineer
CNN has been in existance for over 20 year.

24 to be exact. :)


But I think he was referring to FAUX. FAUX's ratings are just a sign that the sheep flock to it because it doesn't broadcast fair and balanced news.
 

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I thought it was really funny. I think it takes a good set of grapes to talk smack and then go on the show and not kiss up to everyone and act like it was a big joke. He doesn't like the show, and told them to their face, gotta respect that.
 

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Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by the Toronto Star

It Took Jon Stewart to Gun Down Crossfire
Dumb Show Earned Below-the-Belt Barb
by Antonia Zerbisias

Last Friday afternoon, when comedian Jon Stewart called CNN Crossfire co-host Tucker Carlson a body part exclusive to men, maybe half a million viewers finally saw an honest moment on this program.

Too bad. While it was not the first time ever on TV that the American media punditocracy was ripped for its failures, it was probably the most satisfying.

That's because it was live, and Stewart confronted the enemy head-on, instead of mocking it from his Daily Show perch where he anchors his celebrated "fake news" program.

No wonder more than a million people have downloaded video of the exchange. (Try onegoodmove.org or mediamatters.org.) In fact, due to traffic, some websites crashed.

But then, how often does one get to see a TV star refuse to play the TV game?

Stewart would not act like the comic "monkey" CNN obviously expected him to be when it booked him. He was supposed to be the good guest, and go through the motions of plugging the bestseller, The Daily Show With Jon Stewart Presents America (The Book): A Citizen's Guide To Democracy Inaction.

Instead, he lashed out at Crossfire's "partisan hackery," and accused the daily political screamfest of "hurting America."

Appearing in a grey V-neck and looking very serious, Stewart relentlessly went after the program, as he often does on the Daily Show. (His preferred punching bag is Carlson's conservative cohort, Robert Novak, whom Stewart calls "Douchebag for Liberty.")

Insisting that calling Crossfire a debate show is "like saying pro wrestling is a show about athletic competition," Stewart charged: "You're doing theatre, when you should be doing debate ... What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery."

Stewart was making an appeal for serious political discussion, free of partisan spin, talking points, lies and deception.

"Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America," he pleaded. "Right now, you're helping the politicians and the corporations ... You're part of their strategies."

But that didn't sit well with Carlson, who also fronts a show on PBS. He acted as if he didn't know that Stewart hosts a comedy show, not a newscast.

Indeed, Stewart doesn't mock politicians so much as he skewers the media that cover them. Carlson, on the other hand, just roasts liberals and Democrats ? and he was clearly resentful that Kerry appeared on Stewart's show instead of one of his.

"You had John Kerry on your show and you sniff his throne and you're accusing us of partisan hackery?" Carlson squealed, claiming Stewart asks "suck-up" questions.

"The show that leads into me (Crank Yankers) is puppets making crank phone calls," Stewart retorted. "What is wrong with you?"

"I do think you're more fun on your show," Carlson sniffed.

"You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show," Stewart snapped back.

Frankly, as a longtime follower of the Crossfire smackdown, a whole different down-there-in-the-underwear body part not exclusive to men comes to my mind while watching Carlson.

But you have to hand it to him: He is very, very good at his job of interrupting people, outshouting guests and making things up. Carlson is always more aggressive and better prepared than his squishy liberal adversaries, Paul Begala and James Carville.

(By the way, both of them are advising the Kerry-Edwards campaign while denying they are in a conflict-of-interest situation. Yeah, right. They are, just as Fox News chief Roger Ailes was when offered political advice to the White House.)

Crossfire wasn't Stewart's only target. He included other shouting head shows such as MSNBC's Hardball while tossing in a few made-up ones as well ? "I'm Going to Kick Your Ass" or "Will Jump On It."

Complained Carlson: "What's it like to have dinner with you? It must be excruciating. Do you like to lecture people like this or do you come over to their house and sit and lecture them; they're not doing the right thing, that they're missing their opportunities, evading their responsibilities?"

This was probably the most telling moment in the entire exchange. It showed how threatening Stewart, who has been celebrated in recent years with countless Emmys and magazine covers, is to Carlson and his ilk.

That's not just because of his popularity, but because he won't sit at the exclusive media table where the big talking heads are. He's like the guest who comes and points out the superficiality of everyone at the party.

It's reported that, after the show, Carlson took Stewart to task for saying, at a publishing event last week, that he supports Kerry.

Accusing him of "selling out," Carlson said. "If you are a satirist or an acute social observer, and (Stewart) is, and all of a sudden you suspend disbelief on someone or suck up rather than prod or poke someone, people will look at you and say, `Even if I agree with you, I don't like it.'"

Do you think Carlson would say such a thing about, say, the formerly funny Dennis Miller, who openly supports George W. Bush on his CNBC show?

Maybe Carlson ought to watch the ads for The Daily Show that appear in the middle of Crossfire. "Four correspondents! Zero credibility!" they boast. "Even better than being informed!"

All of which could apply to Crossfire.

But the real joke? The University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey reports that Daily Show viewers follow the presidential campaign more closely and are more educated than the average American.

Do Tucker Carlson and his cable counterparts not understand that they make dumb shows that dumb down the electorate?

© 2004 Toronto Star
 

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I saw it today; Stewart deserves some :thumbsup:, :beer:, :wine:, and a few hundred boxes of :cookie:s for being such a :evil:.
 

DealMonkey

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I agree wholeheartedly with John: Tucker is an a$$hole. So are the rest of the Crossfire gang. But Tucker in particular. What kind off a$$goblin wears a freakin' bowtie?!? Christ . . . :disgust:
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I agree wholeheartedly with John: Tucker is an a$$hole. So are the rest of the Crossfire gang. But Tucker in particular. What kind off a$$goblin wears a freakin' bowtie?!? Christ . . . :disgust:

Hehe, I don't know if JS dislikes Tucker more, but Tucker seemed more eager to get into it so he ended up taking the full brunt.
 

daveymark

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Jon Stewart is a comedian, so by definition, he can't really be taken seriously. He also can say things people otherwise wouldn't say for the same reason. . He has no credibility when it comes to issues like this. He's fine where he is on the daily show, and that's where he can stay to keep us all laughing. He can't joke around and then expect to be taken seriously for this one time. Sorry Jon, it doesn't work that way. The reason is that no one knows if you're joking or not. In the beginning, when Jon says "Please stop fighting," everyone thought he was joking, but it became apparent towards the end that he was serious. THat's what happens when you're a comedian. To quote the rock:


Know your role, and shut your mouth.
 

Infohawk

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Just saw this clip.

I like the Daily Show-- don't watch it too often though. I never watch crossfire. I don't really understand what Stewart is so mad about.

(As usual, the liberal guy acted with more grace in responding to criticism. The guy with the bow-tie sounded like a child).
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: fjord

But the real joke? The University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey reports that Daily Show viewers follow the presidential campaign more closely and are more educated than the average American.

My urge is to blame the viewers ignorant enough to watch crossfire, not the people that make the shows.

Do Tucker Carlson and his cable counterparts not understand that they make dumb shows that dumb down the electorate?

© 2004 Toronto Star

Guess that's a good point though... but ultimately the viewer is responsible for filtering out garbage. If people had better tastes we wouldn't have these crap shows.
 

conjur

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You should have seen Stewart on C-SPAN today (repeat from an interview on 10-14) Haven't found a vidcap but it was GREAT.
 

bozack

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I saw this last week and honestly I was less than impressed with Stewart, came off as a pompous A hole for 99.9% of the interview...at first I didn't know what to expect as I had read all of the comments here first about how Stewart handed them their asses, but then after watching the clip, while he did go on there with a major chip on his shoulder he wasn't that aggressive and also he wasn't professional in the least...I found his comments to be rather childish for the most part and overall he was weak at making his point, basically his whole goal in appearing was to slam the show and honestly he did a very poor job of it while there IMHO of course.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Conjur, really? What did he talk about? Same sort of thing? Let us know if you find a vidcap. :)

Much the same thing. That the media is hurting America. One of the best things he said was that talk that Bush is a guy you could drink a beer with. Uh...he was an alcoholic. He doesn't drink now.

And then going on that Bush is one of us...just an average guy. I don't someone like me. I want someone better than me. Someone WAY better than me. I want someone that will make me safe.



Got a lot of applause on that one.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: conjur

Much the same thing. That the media is hurting America. One of the best things he said was that talk that Bush is a guy you could drink a beer with. Uh...he was an alcoholic. He doesn't drink now.

Hehe that's a good one.

And then going on that Bush is one of us...just an average guy. I don't someone like me. I want someone better than me. Someone WAY better than me. I want someone that will make me safe.

Got a lot of applause on that one.

Yeah. I've had make people make good arguments that Bush isn't a total moron. Even if he isn't, he's still not at the levels I want from a president.

I'll have to find this show...
 

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i still dont get why tucker was trying to give him a hard time about his kerry interview. its a comedy show. i doubt he would say to dr. phil "youre not asking the tough questions!!!"
of course not.
its entertainment!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: conjur

Much the same thing. That the media is hurting America. One of the best things he said was that talk that Bush is a guy you could drink a beer with. Uh...he was an alcoholic. He doesn't drink now.

Hehe that's a good one.

And then going on that Bush is one of us...just an average guy. I don't someone like me. I want someone better than me. Someone WAY better than me. I want someone that will make me safe.

Got a lot of applause on that one.
Yeah. I've had make people make good arguments that Bush isn't a total moron. Even if he isn't, he's still not at the levels I want from a president.

I'll have to find this show...
Oh yeah, another he said. Bush has said that "the true history of my administration will be written 50 years from now, and you and I will not be around to see it?."

Jon Stewart said (paraphrasing) "No, we need to judge it NOW. NOW! We cannot afford to wait."
 

conjur

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Just remembered another one:

He was saying something like:

If a Democrat were in the White House and had invaded Iraq just as Bush had done, what news networks would have covered the war any differently?


FOX.