Jon Stewart Delivers Blistering Takedown of Obamacare Rollout

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Mxylplyx

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Too bad Republicans pissed away any moral authority they had to conjure up outrage over it.
 
dank69

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This is impossible because the LMSM is in Obama's back pocket and I have read on many occasions that the Daily Show is one of the major cornerstones of the LMSM.
 
shortylickens

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2timer said:
Why is that bad? John Stewart isn't a Democratic shill, he attacks Democrats and Republicans both.
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No, he's a democrat shill.

He only picks on the dems just enough to throw people off. And up until this point he has been VERY forgiving to Obama, especially for a comedian.
 
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dank69 said:
This is impossible because the LMSM is in Obama's back pocket and I have read on many occasions that the Daily Show is one of the major cornerstones of the LMSM.
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It typically is which what makes this even more classic....
 
Atomic Playboy

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shortylickens said:
No, he's a democrat shill.

He only picks on the dems just enough to throw people off. And up until this point he has been VERY forgiving to Obama, especially for a comedian.
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When he picks on Republicans, it's evidence that he's a Democrat shill, because obviously a shill is going to attack people from the opposite side. When he picks on Democrats, it's evidence that he's a Democrat shill, because obviously he needs to occasionally pretend to attack his team to throw people off the scent.

Can't argue with that logic.
 
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shortylickens said:
He only picks on the dems just enough to throw people off.
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So the whole point of this bit on the Obamacare website failure was just to prove to his "critics" that he isn't a Democratic shill. Are you an idiot?

And up until this point he has been VERY forgiving to Obama, especially for a comedian.
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By "forgiving" you mean Jon Stewart should have been more of a tool in the Benghazi witch hunt. Got it.
 
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Martin

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I know people just want to use this a mindless attack on Obama, but the truth is no administration, R or D, nor any specific program (Healthcare or Military) could have been expected to do any better.


First, recall that Obama has an excellent record of using tech to his advantage while campaigning. After 2008, a number of of his staffers went on to start companies based on their work (Optimizely comes to mind) and in 2012 his tech team managed to produce top-notch products that were critical in getting out the vote, reaching potential voters etc. So we know Obama and his people are quite competent when it comes to these matters.

So what explains the seemingly uncharacteristic fuck up of healthcare.gov? During campaigns, there are are no rules on how you organize your campaign - you can hire and fire freely, pick people you know, and write whatever code you want. This allowed Obama to pick the right people and then leave them to do their job as they saw fit, which they did using the industry's best practices. Government procurement on the other hand is almost the exact opposite of this - there are endless RFPs, tenders, fairness procedures, lobbying, stipulations on what and how something can be done, rules to prevent favouritism, etc etc. Thus the people/companies that end up winning government contracts are the ones who can successfully navigate this painful maze and are almost never the ones that are actually any good at their jobs. After all, their resources are spent nagivating the maze rather than making a good product. Healthcare.gov is the mostly public and embarrassing example of this process, but rest assured, other branches operate the same way.


The real lesson here should be the dismal state of government procurement procedures. If you're a fiscal conservative, you should probably care about this very boring and complex, but very important subject. As the shutdown demonstrated, universal coverage is here to stay, so if you should worry about getting the most for your tax buck, rather than throwing tantrums and fighting fights you won't win.
 
shortylickens

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Atomic Playboy said:
When he picks on Republicans, it's evidence that he's a Democrat shill, because obviously a shill is going to attack people from the opposite side. When he picks on Democrats, it's evidence that he's a Democrat shill, because obviously he needs to occasionally pretend to attack his team to throw people off the scent.

Can't argue with that logic.
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well, I didnt say that, but if you can only argue against things which dont exist, I say go for it.
I guess you'll acquire real debate skills later on.
 
Doppel

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Martin said:
I know people just want to use this a mindless attack on Obama, but the truth is no administration, R or D, nor any specific program (Healthcare or Military) could have been expected to do any better.


First, recall that Obama has an excellent record of using tech to his advantage while campaigning. After 2008, a number of of his staffers went on to start companies based on their work (Optimizely comes to mind) and in 2012 his tech team managed to produce top-notch products that were critical in getting out the vote, reaching potential voters etc. So we know Obama and his people are quite competent when it comes to these matters.

So what explains the seemingly uncharacteristic fuck up of healthcare.gov? During campaigns, there are are no rules on how you organize your campaign - you can hire and fire freely, pick people you know, and write whatever code you want. This allowed Obama to pick the right people and then leave them to do their job as they saw fit, which they did using the industry's best practices. Government procurement on the other hand is almost the exact opposite of this - there are endless RFPs, tenders, fairness procedures, lobbying, stipulations on what and how something can be done, rules to prevent favouritism, etc etc. Thus the people/companies that end up winning government contracts are the ones who can successfully navigate this painful maze and are almost never the ones that are actually any good at their jobs. After all, their resources are spent nagivating the maze rather than making a good product. Healthcare.gov is the mostly public and embarrassing example of this process, but rest assured, other branches operate the same way.


The real lesson here should be the dismal state of government procurement procedures. If you're a fiscal conservative, you should probably care about this very boring and complex, but very important subject. As the shutdown demonstrated, universal coverage is here to stay, so if you should worry about getting the most for your tax buck, rather than throwing tantrums and fighting fights you won't win.
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You're talking about problems developing it. That's fair. It's not an acceptable reason why the site is as it is.

There is a single reason this went live: it was allowed to. It was known that it was not ready by the IT reps, they voiced these opinions, but the administration and its people were dead-set on October 1 and said release it anyway. It was absolutely not ready, and this rests squarely on them for releasing something that was not ready.
 
dank69

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shortylickens said:
Atomic Playboy said:
shortylickens said:
No, he's a democrat shill.

He only picks on the dems just enough to throw people off. And up until this point he has been VERY forgiving to Obama, especially for a comedian.
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When he picks on Republicans, it's evidence that he's a Democrat shill, because obviously a shill is going to attack people from the opposite side. When he picks on Democrats, it's evidence that he's a Democrat shill, because obviously he needs to occasionally pretend to attack his team to throw people off the scent.

Can't argue with that logic.
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Well, I didnt say that, but if you can only argue against things which dont exist, I say go for it.
I guess you'll acquire real debate skills later on.
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Let's multiquote that so as to highlight this failure in the most embarrassing way possible for shorty.
 
thraashman

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Why does the only impartial, honest, and intelligent member of the media continue to have to be the one who most shouldn't be any of those things because he's a comedian?

Righties don't get it. Jon Stewart doesn't attack Fox and Republicans because he's a Democrat shill. He attacks them because he's the best damn news man on TV and THEY FUCKING DESERVE IT!
 
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he's a liberal shill.

Its just sometimes the dems fall so far off the reservation, even he can't help ripping them.


Last time he was ripping Obamacare, he couldn't help but turn the 2nd half of it into a republican bash fest.
 
kage69

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2timer said:
Why is that bad? John Stewart isn't a Democratic shill, he attacks Democrats and Republicans both.
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It isn't. Stewart repeatedly does what the majority of actual journalists and pundits can't or won't do. You and I both know that. Shills on the other hand....



It's nothing new, it's just that the usual occurrences of liberals and Dems disagreeing and/or complaining about Obama's performance has to be kept out of their bubble. It's part of their need to believe that the Democrat party is exactly as homogenous and hypocritical as the GOTP has shown itself to be.

I think if the GOTP wants to spare itself whats probably in the mail come 2014/2016, they should start learning from the Dems and Stewart how to argue and complain without resorting to batshit lunacy. Having the balls to call out the crazies and bigots in your own party wouldn't hurt.

The rollout was horrible, the optimism shown by the people who "organized" is just...baffling really. Not giving the programmers the info they needed until, what last January? No staggered roll out? lol
Would have been nice if the "cream of the IT crop" had been involved from the get go.
 
ivwshane

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Matt1970 said:
He probably picks on Democrats 20% of the time. You will never see that with your head jammed up your ass.
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Yeah because 80% of the time "republicans" are making complete asses of themselves!

Lol! You butt hurt Matt?
 
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michal1980 said:
he's a liberal shill.

Its just sometimes the dems fall so far off the reservation, even he can't help ripping them.


Last time he was ripping Obamacare, he couldn't help but turn the 2nd half of it into a republican bash fest.
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He bashes the ridiculous. Feel free to actually make an argument about a particular segment and WHY you think it is unfair. Good luck with that.
 
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