JOL Speeding Ticket License Suspension Appeal Question

[MongGrel]

one speeding ticket and they revoked you...thinking that is lite on details.

I think so myself.

 

[tynopik]

does no one else think the $500 reinstatement fee is a bit steep?

 

[Brainonska511]

does no one else think the $500 reinstatement fee is a bit steep?

It's steep, but that's the way these things have been going for years.

With taxes not being raised, states look for other ways to fund their budgets, and one of those ways is through fees and fines.

In NYS, if you get 6 points or more on your license, there is an additional $300 fine + $50/point for each one over 6. Got a ticket on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway when I was 18 for doing 70 in a 45 (speed limit drops from 50 to 45 before the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge) - 6 point moving violation, $250 for the ticket + $300 in the NYS "Driver's Assessment Fee".

As for the ticket = suspension thing, I'm not surprised. On a junior license, you're probably on a probationary period; and it's likely to be that way in many states with graduated licensing laws (even when you turn 17 and first get your full license). With the probationary period, any moving violation = license suspension. And these laws have been implemented precisely because young people apparently account for ~30% of the total cost of vehicle injuries in the US.

 

[JEDIYoda]

short version -- the dude is ONLY 17......

 

[TwiceOver]

Was that back in the 1960's?

Also, where the hell do you get a driver's license or learner's permit at 14?

This would have been 1993? I can't remember.

You can obtain a driver's license in the state of South Dakota at the age of 14. Ages 14-15 can drive from 6am - 10pm, that restriction is lifted when you turn 16.

It was a dumb mistake, but I have never once not checked my blind spots since.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

does no one else think the $500 reinstatement fee is a bit steep?

I think it all sounds ridiculously steep for 1 speeding ticket.

When you're young, you're learning things. I definitely learned everytime I got a $200 ticket fine...

Honestly, that sounds nuts, I remember getting ~3-4 speeding tickets throughout my high school / college days, and I never got anything outside of paying the fine.

Also, what is JOL?

 

[edro]

junior operators license - It's like a kiddie drivers license, usually oriented or colored differently.

I think cops profile kids, which is probably a good thing.
I had many tickets from 16-21, and nearly none since.
Maybe I have just gotten good at seeing cops on the horizon.

 

[nageov3t]

If you got your license suspended for just getting pulled over for speeding "once" you were likely going fast enough for it to be considered street racing.

I'm guessing it's because the OP is a minor and still on a juvenile license.

 

[Brainonska511]

I think it all sounds ridiculously steep for 1 speeding ticket.

When you're young, you're learning things. I definitely learned everytime I got a $200 ticket fine...

Honestly, that sounds nuts, I remember getting ~3-4 speeding tickets throughout my high school / college days, and I never got anything outside of paying the fine.

Also, what is JOL?

Probably junior license. You can generally only use them to drive to work and after school activities (but not school in NYS) and only between some set hours.

I have no issues with licensing having a probationary period where a moving violation will lead to a temporary suspension (1-3 months). And on top of the probationary issue, the OP has a junior license, not a full one. He should be watching his lead foot. The reinstatement fee is a bit steep though.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

junior operators license - It's like a kiddie drivers license, usually oriented or colored differently.

I think cops profile kids, which is probably a good thing.
I had many tickets from 16-21, and nearly none since.
Maybe I have just gotten good at seeing cops on the horizon.

Odd.... All I remember growing up we called it "Learners Permit"... wherby, we basically had to have an adult that was 21+ or something at all times with us.

 

[Brainonska511]

Odd.... All I remember growing up we called it "Learners Permit"... wherby, we basically had to have an adult that was 21+ or something at all times with us.

Learner's permits still exist and are a prerequisite to obtaining a junior license (or a full license). Junior license are for those under a certain age that take drivers ed and pass the road test. So they effectively have completed the requirements for a license, but are simply not old enough for a full one.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Learner's permits still exist and are a prerequisite to obtaining a junior license (or a full license). Junior license are for those under a certain age that take drivers ed and pass the road test. So they effectively have completed the requirements for a license, but are simply not old enough for a full one.

Lol I guess I just didn't have the urge to get a license growing up... I could careless I was in highschool getting all kinds of laid... playing WoW all day and night. All the girls just came to me :biggrin:

 

[cabri]

Odd.... All I remember growing up we called it "Learners Permit"... wherby, we basically had to have an adult that was 21+ or something at all times with us.

I remember that people used to go to Drivers Ed classes in High School, get the permit and ignore the restrictions.

I had a problem back then. I had a Farm license (14) from out of state; the DMV tester did not want to allow a full license below the 17 age limit even though I had one that was valid.

 

[Ketchup]

Take it as a tough lesson.

When/if something like this happens again, do not simply pay the fine. Go to court on your appointed date and see if the judge will lower the offense. Don't ask for lowering the fee. That may occur as a consequence, but that should not be your main goal. Fess up and apologize, don't make excuses (people do this all the time, and I am sure they hate it).

Depending on where you are, you may be able to speak with the officer who pulled you over before (or in lieu of) seeing the judge on your trial date. If the officer does not appear on your court dat3, some judges will drop the charges.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Take it as a tough lesson.

When/if something like this happens again, do not simply pay the fine. Go to court on your appointed date and see if the judge will lower the offense. Don't ask for lowering the fee. That may occur as a consequence, but that should not be your main goal. Fess up and apologize, don't make excuses (people do this all the time, and I am sure they hate it).

Depending on where you are, you may be able to speak with the officer who pulled you over before (or in lieu of) seeing the judge on your trial date. If the officer does not appear on your court dat3, some judges will drop the charges.

In todays world, going to court is a pain in the ass. Many employers (especially kid ones working retail) won't pay you for the day/hours spent in court. That includes the time getting there and getting back. In cities like mine it's a complete pain in the ass just to get to the court house.

Plus, how do you expect to get to the courthouse if your license is suspended? That's the issue with our government, it's easier to just say fuck it and pay the fine... even when you aren't guilty.

Until we start getting more rights as working people such as...
-Guaranteed pay for any time spent in court (Jury Duty, Court cases, etc...)
-Reduced hours. It scares me how much missing one day can screw me over
-Not needing a lawyer for simple issues

We're forever screwed to bend over for most things in life.

 

[TwiceOver]

In todays world, going to court is a pain in the ass. Many employers (especially kid ones working retail) won't pay you for the day/hours spent in court. That includes the time getting there and getting back. ...

Until we start getting more rights as working people such as...
-Guaranteed pay for any time spent in court (Jury Duty, Court cases, etc...)
-Reduced hours. It scares me how much missing one day can screw me over
-Not needing a lawyer for simple issues

Jury duty is one thing, the others are not the employer's problem. Does it disadvantage those with an hourly job? You bet. But it's still not their problem.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Jury duty is one thing, the others are not the employer's problem. Does it disadvantage those with an hourly job? You bet. But it's still not their problem.

Much like Jury Duty, it's not like it's my choice to go to court.

Don't get me wrong though, I see your point - and I respect it that employee's aren't responsible for holding their employee hands throughout their life problems. So I guess it's more of an hours thing.... We as employee's need more flexibility. Things like courts have VERY limited hours usually between 9:00am - 3:00pm.

If anything, I do feel that employers should do what they can (adjust their hours) to allow them to get their usual pay. At the same time for people like myself, I feel absolutely screwed if I had to go to court since I work 50+ hour weeks most times.

 

[Ketchup]

In todays world, going to court is a pain in the ass. Many employers (especially kid ones working retail) won't pay you for the day/hours spent in court. That includes the time getting there and getting back. In cities like mine it's a complete pain in the ass just to get to the court house.

Plus, how do you expect to get to the courthouse if your license is suspended? That's the issue with our government, it's easier to just say fuck it and pay the fine... even when you aren't guilty.

Until we start getting more rights as working people such as...
-Guaranteed pay for any time spent in court (Jury Duty, Court cases, etc...)
-Reduced hours. It scares me how much missing one day can screw me over
-Not needing a lawyer for simple issues

We're forever screwed to bend over for most things in life.

I have a few thoughts about your post:

1. When you receive the ticket, you receive your date for court. You have plenty of time to schedule around your appeal.
2. If you were able to get to your place of work every day, I don't see why you can't also make it to a courthouse one of those days. (I believe the license wasn't suspended until after the OP paid the fine, which is admission of guilt. If he/she had gone to court, he/she would still have a license at that time.)
3. Why does your employer have to pay for your mistake?
4. I don't see why this would take over a half day, max.
5. Responding to a speeding ticket would not require a lawyer, at all.

 

[digitheads]

why screw around and worry yourself to death, get a lawyer, that is all you need.

 

[DrPizza]

Much like Jury Duty, it's not like it's my choice to go to court.

It was your choice to carry out the actions for which needing to go to court is a direct consequence.


Anyway, no one seems to have noticed that the OP disappeared after he made his post - a hit and run poster.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Hit & Run is a lot worse than speeding ticket!

 

[destrekor]

Learner's permits still exist and are a prerequisite to obtaining a junior license (or a full license). Junior license are for those under a certain age that take drivers ed and pass the road test. So they effectively have completed the requirements for a license, but are simply not old enough for a full one.

This whole JOL thing is weird, but could potentially help with things I guess.

Here in Ohio, you have your learner's permit that you can get at 15 and a half. At 16, if you met the requirements and pass the test, you get your full permanent license.

In recent years they've been adding restrictions to those under 18, but it is still a full license. It is different from the adult license in that it is oriented vertically instead of horizontal, but that is to distinguish between the under 21s and over 21s. Restrictions like number of non-adults in the car are dropped at 18, and you have a true full unrestricted license. I don't think there are more severe penalties like 1 strike you're out for those under 18 here, but there might be. Harsh penalty for sure.

 

[olds]

Pro tip: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

 

[waggy]

don't worry OP. just continue driving (and speeding). what's the worst that can happen?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I suspect the OP is from Massachusetts and doesn't have a leg to stand on in fighting this suspension. I also suspect information on mandatory suspensions for the violations were in the required reading for getting a learners permit/drivers license.

https://secure.rmv.state.ma.us/Poli...oroperatorlicenseviolationsandpenalties29.htm