Joker WON !!!!!!!!

[meaty]

Who ever fixes my problem = meaning get me playing on my server.
I will give a brand new microsoft optical mouse(the newest one) to them.

Here is what I have:
I have 2 computer in the same house on the same cable line coming in the house.
I have 2 seperate IP addresses with a hub seperating the 2 computer's.
I have been able to surf the net on both computer @ the same time for some while now.
I have a motorola cyber surfr modem & a SMC hub (i have also tried a linksys hub so the prob is not there).
I am runing WIN98se.

Here is the problem:
I cannot connect to my own server (i am tryn to get a unreal tourny server going).
The problem is no where in the game because people can play when I put the server up, it just hangs when I try to connect,
The problem is that my computers do not see each other. I cannot ping them, when I do in DOS it just time's out.
When I do in neo trace it says not responding.
I can ping any other computer.

I have called my ISP(@home) like everyone would say , but they say they do not support networks(they sure will sell you a IP tho?) Anywya they say they are not trained in networking. If I can get on the internet thats all they care about.
All I want is the computer's to regognize each other then it will work.
I know it works because people do it all the time.


I am willing to give up this nice mouse!!
The day I am playing on my server I will ship the mouse off (i have references).

Feel free to email with any question's I might have left out.

MOUSE IS ON ITS WAY TO JOKER , THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE BUT IT WAS A TRICKY ? THAT HAS BEEN ANSWERED!!

titanl@home.com

 

[JiNk]

Do you have the computers set to run on those IPs? (TCP/IP properties in control pannel -> network), do you have file/print sharing on? Do they have the same protocols installed?

 

[MadRat]

It sounds like you are running NAT on the server side of your ISP. The problem is that although you have two i.p. addresses, they are probably non-routable i.p. addresses. UT requires you to connect to a machine outside the router/network in multiplayer whereas your i.p.'s are within the same network.

 

[meaty]

I have the IP's right. I have tried file share, print share but know change.
I am not sure what cha mean about same protocols installed?

As for the second reply not sure what NAT is also UT has nothing to do with it now, because with UT not running I still cannot ping each other.

 

[Wah]

do you have a firewall up? like zonealarm or something? My computers don't see each other when ZA is turned on.

good luck

 

[meaty]

No fire wall up

 

[Chintan]

What kind of NIC's are you using?

 

[flenn]

1) Make sure that the Workgroup name (under Control Panel\Network\Indentification) is the same on both client and server.

2) On the client PC, make sure that "Gateway" (under Control Panel\Network\Configuration\TCP/IP-> your NIC) shows the server's IP address. Also while your there, make sure that you enable DNS under "DNS Configuration" and set it to the server's IP addy.

3) Send me my mouse

 

[ucdnam]

Are they in the same workgroup?

 

[Celstar]

You may also want to check that your two computers are using the same workgroup and that file sharing is turned on.

 

[meaty]

Yes the workgroup is the same (@home requires the workgroup to be @home to get on the net)
I am using a 3com etherlink (pci) in the soon to be server.
& a realtek rtl8029 in the gameing rig(client)
I will LYK more ina minute.

 

[meaty]

none of above worked.
I have tried file sharing on.
I have tried all the dns stuff.
work group is same.

Anyway the file sharing shouldnt have to be on. I just want to be able to ping the other computer.
I dont need a in home network. I just want the two computer's to be seperate, just like I can ping any of your computer's if I had the IP. The only thing that I can think of is a whole other cable line coming in the house? (extra $45 a month just to run a server for everyone else?)
I dont understand it I have tried everything in my knowledge. It is deff not a hardware issue.
I have tried to install all the connection exta's from the 98se disk.
???

 

[JokerF15]

i have a similar setup!
heres what i did:

i have 2 comps.

PC1 (2 nic cards, one going to my dsl modem, and one going to the other pc)
PC2 (1 nic card going to the other pc either direct (would need crossover cable) or through a hub)
have pc1 be the server so it has a direct connection to the net.

have pc2's gateway be pc1.

this is the only way that it is going to work. because u have the pc's using the nic card to go on the net. so they can't see ea other because they are being used by the connection. than the question comes in, shouldn't they be able to see ea other from the net. NO, because u are using 1 external ip therefore it would just loop back to itself.

this is kinda confusing. but it will WORK!!! trust me i have the exact same setup.

if you need more specific details. email me and i will be more than glad to help!!!

compguy16@onebox.com


[EDIT]

well dont spend 45 extra bux on getting another cable line. it's not worth it trust me. this setup will work. i have a UT server running now on this setup. I had a q3a server but i have moved on.


JUST REMEMBERED THIS, THE TWO COMPS MUST BE ON THE SAME SUBNET!!!!
that is something like 255.255.255.0 THIS CAN BE THE PROBLEM!!!! ALSO try similar ip's for ex.

10.1.1.1 (for pc1)
10.1.1.2 (for pc2)

Try this in your current setup!

I HOPE THIS IS THE PROBLEM!!!
I have forgotten this many times!!! it makes a huge difference!


[/Edit]

The problem seems to be that the nics are being used by the internet connection and they cannot see ea other. you can use the netowrk i showed above or play around with two nics in the systems!

 

[NaughtyusMaximus]

Here's what you have to do.

For your Server:

1. Go into Network Neighbourhood (properties)

2. Click on 'Identification'

3. Change your workgroup to 'homenet'

4. Go back to 'Configuration'

5. Open the TCP/IP properties for the NIC connected to the @home network.

6. 'Specify an IP address', enter the information on the yellow sheet that @home gave you when they installed your service. your 'IP address' will be something like 24.11x.xxx.xxx. On the sheet, it should be labelled as 'PC IP'.

7. The subnet mask will be labelled as 'NET MASK' on the sheet. Enter that info where it says 'Subnet Mask'.

8. Click on 'Gateway'

9. On the sheet from @home, there will be an entry called 'Gway'. Enter that information where it says 'New Gateway'.

10. Click on 'DNS Configuration'

11. Click on 'Enable DNS'. Where it says host, type '@home'. Where it says domain, type '@home'.

12. Where it says 'DNS search order', enter both 24.2.10.33 , and 24.2.10.34. Or, if there are other ones listed onthe sheet from @home, use them. They should be labelled as 'PRI DNS, SEC DNS'

13. Click OK

14. Click OK

15. Restart

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For the Secondary computer:

Follow the same steps as above, but with the information given for this computer. The PC IP will be different, and the Gatway may be different as well.

That should get you up and running. Send me an e-mail, or ICQ message if I've left something out. Reply here as well as to the progress of your situation, as I may have forgotten something pertaining to your network.

 

[Warrenton]

My guess is that it is a subnet problem. Try disconnecting them from the cable modem, and configuring them without that. Don't set a gateway, don't set any DNS either, no WINS.

Simply set the IP on one machine to 192.168.0.1 and on the other to 192.168.0.2 and set the subnets to 255.255.255.0 for both of them. Do not have the cable modem plugged into anything.

If you still cannot ping then there is something very wierd going on. Because this should be able to ping, because its the most basic TCP/IP setup out there.

 

[JokerF15]

similar to what im saying. it's the internet that is taking up the nic card. so you cannot connect to the other computer using that nic. try it w/o the cable modem. And see if you can ping ea other it should work. A method of fixing this w/o disturbing your setup would be to get 2 nics in ea comp. 1 of them should be like it is now. the new ones, should be directly connected via a crossover cable. so that the 2 comps are connected and have access to the internet.
lmk if this works out

 

[meaty]

If I disconect cable modem & direct ping them ,they ping.
Naughty M I tried tried that set you gave me but no go?
Again they both connected fine to the net but no comunication between them.

 

[Zero]

Hi Meaty,
Ok, your ISP issued you 2 IPs right? One IP for each computer. Also, you are using a standard hub right?(not a switch or a router) Now both computer are plugged into your hub wich is plugged into your cable modem(Which seems correct but wanted to make sure we got the basics down first). Basically, you are not at all trying to set up a local network. You want to have 2 seperate PCs with seperate IPs on the internet and to be able to ping each other across the net(not locally). I just want to make sure I'm crystal clear.

Zero

 

[NaughtyusMaximus]

Hrmm. You're pinging by going into a DOS window, and typing 'ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' right?

 

[MadRat]

Damn, guys, I told him what the problem was. He has non-routable i.p.'s rather than real i.p. addresses. This is happening alot with @home users. If he simply wants to connect the machines together he could use a non-routable protocol such as NETBUI.

His problem is that the game UT isn't allowing him to play a LAN game over the internet, which is what those settings are supposed to do!

Turn off the file sharing, buddy, your neighbors will be able to see you! You don't really want them snooping do you?

 

[meaty]

Yes I am trying to ping in DOS & with neotrace.
I tried installing netbui but may have not set it up correctly?
It looks like sofar I need 2 NIC in each computer , is that the case?
Should I go purchase 2 more?

 

[JokerF15]

yes...that's the case..u need two nics in ea comp...goto a local store and purchase them! connect them through a crossover cable directly no hub!

 

[meaty]

when you say crossover cable do you mean a CAT5 calble with rj45 connects? Or is it different then the cable's im already using (cat5)? I have 2 hubs if that matters any?

 

[Need4Speed]

You only need two nics if you want your LAN to run base100.

I also have two IP's and 2 boxes hooked up to one cable modem via a hub. here is what i did.

1. attach the cable modem to the uplink port of the hub. if the hub doesnt have an uplink port, plug into port 4 with a cross over cable.
2. attach box 1 to port 1 of the hub
3. attach box 2 to port 2 of the hub
4. on each box, install tcp/ip for cable modem and netbios for LAN
5. make sure you use the same workgroup for each box
6. make sure you use unique box names.
7. enable file and print sharing over netbios
8. DISABLE file and print sharing over TCP

DONE.

You will now have a 10baseT LAN running on Netbios and a WAN that runs on TCP/IP

The two boxes are essentialy isolated from each other...ie in order toshare files, they will have to share through the cable modem..hence the 10baseT limit.

If you want a 100baseT LAN, each cpu needs two nics...one for LAN (Netbios) and one for WAN (TCP).

You could also buy a router, but it would use NAT and will not properly work with game servers.....

 

[Topochicho]

Actully I believe you just need the server to have 2 NICs. And set the machines up like JokerF15 said. Your server will be the gateway for the second computer just as the ISP has a gateway for your Server. This will also allow you to set a firewall and be able to keep people from snooping your files , but still able to see out. Only one machine should be hooked directly to the net, all other should go through it. I'd go buy that extra NIC and send JokerF15 his mouse.

PS It may be possible to get this setup to work otherwise but JokerF15's is the correct way. This is how we run it at work... every pc gets its own REAL IP which can be pinged from anywhere on the internet, but all outside traffic (including the ping) has to pass through the server.