Join the Movement: Snap a picture of your FCPGA P!!!/c2 underbelly!

[zippy]

Ummm...I'll see if my friend can bring his family's digital camera with him next time he comes over. I have a p3 550e@808 btw.

 

[Modus]

We should discretely ask pm for his thoughts on the matter

Modus

 

[Grendel99]

I have a P3-700E @ 933 cB0 stepping. When I get ahold of my dad's digital camera I could email you a pic.

 

[MadRat]

Modus-

Best use icq. Must use something w/o any logs.

Keep the pics coming. Still no pattern formed yet. Need more pics!

 

[Wingznut]

Modus, both pm and I have already expressed our knowledge.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?start=1&catid=27&threadid=360703

 

[MadRat]

But you knew nothing more than anyone else so I pretty much can disregard it. If you had something constructive I'd honor your ramblings. Until then its just negative energy. We don't need the negative energy. Bring something positive to the table and we'll have something worth conversing about.

 

[Wingznut]

Actually I was just trying to save you some time and effort. I didn't realize you only wanted to hear one specific answer. I'll quit trying to help, and leave this matter alone now... With one more question:

Let's just say it was possible to unlock the multiplier. What could you possibly do with it? Coppermine's (for the most part) can only do approx 1ghz. And that's easily accomplished with a fsb increase. What will a multiplier change do for a Coppermine, that you cannot with a fsb increase?

In short, what goal are you trying to accomplish?

 

[MadRat]

Hehe, you are persistent to the point of annoyance. So what if its topped out at 1gHz. Thats inconsequential. The modus operandi was already defined in a previous post. I'll leave it at that.

Some times you have to blindly move in a direction in order to find something new. This is a journey of discovery. If I define the destination before the journey, why take the journey? Nobody has taken this effort up and its time somebody did.

If we could chart out the resistor/capacitor patterns then maybe its all an electrical engineer needs to see a pattern. Sometimes the work of one person inspires another to look at the problem with a different perspective. Their perspective may have clouded their judgement previously. Its all about perspective. Obviously you made your mind up before even TRYING any discovery. Shame, shame.

 

[Wingznut]

"Obviously you made your mind up before even TRYING any discovery. Shame, shame."

That's because I understand how it works, and more importantly where it's done. It's done on top of the die, and has absolutely nothing to do with the bottom of the chip. You cannot access these circuits without removing the die from the packaging. And without the extremely expensive tools, this is not possible.

I know you think this is "Intel to dupe the public with their babble-speak and then to do something alot simpler than they imply." But trust me... I couldn't care less if you overclocked your P3 or not, I happen to have my P3-700 running at 1ghz, and I'm not speaking for Intel. I have no motivation to lie to you, nor does pm. We never have before, and certainly aren't going to start with you. Yet I'm not sure why you would think that we'd lie to you.

 

[MadRat]

That's because I understand how it works, and more importantly where it's done.

So at the worst we figure out the capacitor patterns. Not a total loss. Some things are done for the greater good and not for the rewards. I've no problem with sorting out the pattern, just need the pics.

If you understand where its done and how its done, then why are you using a locked chip? Seriously, Intel engineers are supposed to have access to their own chips. There have to be plenty of unlocked chips floating around your department if you're an engineer. If you aren't involved in the process then you really don't understand the process. If you aren't involved in the process then you rely on hearsay, just as everyone else has in the past.

 

[Wingznut]

"If you understand where its done and how its done, then why are you using a locked chip?"

Because it cannot realistically be unlocked. And it's one that I purchased (from Compuwiz1) prior to my employment with Intel.


"There have to be plenty of unlocked chips floating around your department if you're an engineer."

LOL, do you think if you walk around Intel, that there are unlocked cpu's laying all over people's desks? No, it's not that way at all. As a matter of fact, I don't know anyone at Intel who has an unlocked P3.
I'm not an engineer, I'm a Fab Technician. More specifically, a Lithography Technician. Using photoresist, reticles and UV light, I lay the patterns on the wafers for the transistor tips and wells for Implant to dope.

"If you aren't involved in the process then you really don't understand the process."

Why do you keep insisting that I don't know what I'm talking about? I am involved in the process of making cpu's. And even if I weren't, certainly doesn't mean that I don't understand it. I'm sure there are plenty of things in this world that you understand perfectly, but aren't directly involved in.

I'm really not sure why I haven't given up on this... Probably because you keep questioning my integrity. But I really think it's time that I gave up because it's obvious there's some reason that you don't trust me, and there's nothing I can say to change that.