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dammitgibs

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palehorse said:
Many states and local districts across the entire country have laws that are very similar to the one in Albuquerque, NM -- where they can check the status of anyone who gets arrested. However, as far as I know, AZ's new law is the only one where they can conduct citizenship checks during a stop or detainment that is based on some other suspected violation or criminal act.

That said, I wish all of them were more like AZ's new law, and that they all actually enforced the damn things...
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Well if we're going to get into semantics then you can't say "suspected violation or criminal act" because the law clearly states that they have to have committed some other offense. They purposely made it so a cop can't say "oh I suspected the driver had a taillight out and then found out he was an illegal." So yes they don't have go as far as arresting them like the CA law but they still have to be breaking a law.
 
nobodyknows

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Red Dawn said:
So you are suggesting the most LEO's in CA don't check the immigration status of perps they've arrested? There might be isolated cases but I bet in most cases where their is the slightest suspicion that the perp m=not be an undocumented alien they do check and report them to the Feds.
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I remember reading an article a long time ago about how they had to stop doing drunk driver checks because they were clogging the system with illegals.
 
rpanic

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nobodyknows said:
I remember reading an article a long time ago about how they had to stop doing drunk driver checks because they were clogging the system with illegals.
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Also the reason they stopped doing surprise checks for drivers license and insurance during the day, after so many illegal’s cars were taken they said it was racist and targeting illegals that were driving illegally.
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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I thought those laws were quite ubiquitous? Or at least, the new Arizona law really isn't any different from Federal law.

the outrage is a response to the law being made public--people don't read shit.
 
werepossum

werepossum

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rpanic said:
Also the reason they stopped doing surprise checks for drivers license and insurance during the day, after so many illegal’s cars were taken they said it was racist and targeting illegals that were driving illegally.
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LOL It's illegal to drive without a license and insurance, sir. Here's your ticket, now get your unlicensed ass into your uninsured car and drive away - and buenas noches!

The moral of the story is that if you are going to commit a crime it's best to choose one with as many people as possible who look like you also committing it. Then it's profiling. And that's wrong.
 
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DucatiMonster696

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Red Dawn said:
So you are suggesting the most LEO's in CA don't check the immigration status of perps they've arrested? There might be isolated cases but I bet in most cases where their is the slightest suspicion that the perp m=not be an undocumented alien they do check and report them to the Feds.
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The SFPD are prevented from notifying ICE officials of the status of an illegal alien criminal.

Edwin Ramos the poster child for Sanctuary City laws who murdered a family of 4 in a drive-by was known to be an illegal gang banger but the SC bullshit laws prevented his reporting to federal immigration officials when he had previously been arrest on other violent crimes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Ramos

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/07/16/cstillwell.DTL

This certainly wasn't Ramos' first brush with the law. He was booked both on felony weapons charges and for being a member of a criminal street gang earlier this year, but escaped prosecution for lack of evidence. However, as reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, the San Francisco Police Department "cited 'numerous documented contacts' that officers had with Ramos and [his companion] Lopez, and said both were active members of the MS-13 street gang.'" But thanks to San Francisco's sanctuary city status, instead of being reported to federal immigration authorities and deported, Ramos was allowed continue to roam the streets of San Francisco until his arrest for the Bologna killings.
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nobodyknows

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rudder said:
They are racist and need to be stopped!

(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.

from California PENAL CODE
SECTION 833-851.90

They have copied Arizona's law! This is outrageous. I demand AG Holder investigate immediately.
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Kalifornia must be one screwed up place??

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/12/politics/main6477429.shtml

L.A. Boycotts Arizona over Immigration Law

Los Angeles on Wednesday became the largest city yet to boycott Arizona over its tough new law targeting illegal immigration in a move that likely will affect some $8 million in contracts with the state.

The City Council voted 13-1 to bar Los Angeles from conducting business with Arizona unless the law is repealed. .......
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Fuck 'em, I say let's boycott raisins. Seriously. Two can play this game, who the fuck does the city concil of LA think they are? Just because they feel something is good for their state doesn't mean they can stick their noses in everybody else's business!!
 
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CrackRabbit

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nick1985 said:
Apparently you are. Look up the word 'similar'
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The Arizona law goes FAR beyond what the more sensible California law does.
Enough that the two are quite dissimilar, if you want a more valid comparison compare it to the law in Albuquerque, NM.

Now if you will quit being a dishonest, illiterate dick. We can get back to our regular posting.:rolleyes:
 
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Moonbeam

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I see all the right wing assholes who hate big obtrusive government are all for a Nazi state.

Deport those fucking Jewmmigrants!
 
nick1985

nick1985

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CrackRabbit said:
The Arizona law goes FAR beyond what the more sensible California law does.
Enough that the two are quite dissimilar, if you want a more valid comparison compare it to the law in Albuquerque, NM.
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I guess we have to agree to disagree here.


CrackRabbit said:
Now if you will quit being a dishonest, illiterate dick. We can get back to our regular posting.:rolleyes:
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Woot! Personal insult time.

Now if you will quit being a worthless shit-eating dumbfuck, we can get back to our regular posting! Fun stuff :thumbsup:
 
Throckmorton

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palehorse said:
Many states and local districts across the entire country have laws that are very similar to the one in Albuquerque, NM -- where they can check the status of anyone who gets arrested. However, as far as I know, AZ's new law is the only one where they can conduct citizenship checks during a stop or detainment that is based on some other suspected violation or criminal act.
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Was about to post this... big difference
 
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Rainsford

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dammitgibs said:
Well if we're going to get into semantics then you can't say "suspected violation or criminal act" because the law clearly states that they have to have committed some other offense. They purposely made it so a cop can't say "oh I suspected the driver had a taillight out and then found out he was an illegal." So yes they don't have go as far as arresting them like the CA law but they still have to be breaking a law.
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That hardly seems like splitting hairs or arguing semantics to me. Arresting someone is different than not arresting them, obviously, so the requirement to perform the check is clearly not the same.

In Arizona a cop could follow you until you did anything even remotely illegal (like changing lanes within 100 feet of an intersection, or something else most people don't really think about) and demand to see proof of citizenship. In California, that wouldn't fly. The potential for harassment with the Arizona law is much greater as a result.
 
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