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Lifer
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They are racist and need to be stopped!

(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.

from California PENAL CODE
SECTION 833-851.90

They have copied Arizona's law! This is outrageous. I demand AG Holder investigate immediately.
 
EagleKeeper

EagleKeeper

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Oct 30, 2000
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Laws may be on the books but selectively enforced and/or ignored.

If real, why will not CA enforce violation being done by SF and others regarding their santuary laws
 
Linflas

Linflas

Lifer
Jan 30, 2001
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Common Courtesy said:
Laws may be on the books but selectively enforced and/or ignored.

If real, why will not CA enforce violation being done by SF and others regarding their santuary laws
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Because their top lawmaker, the governor himself, is too busy making jokes about Arizona's law at graduation ceremonies to worry about enforcing his states laws?
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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It's okay because California does not enforce its law. Will of the people be damned.
 
palehorse

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Many states and local districts across the entire country have laws that are very similar to the one in Albuquerque, NM -- where they can check the status of anyone who gets arrested. However, as far as I know, AZ's new law is the only one where they can conduct citizenship checks during a stop or detainment that is based on some other suspected violation or criminal act.

That said, I wish all of them were more like AZ's new law, and that they all actually enforced the damn things...
 
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piasabird

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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It should be required to check for citizenship before you can rent to anyone.

Of course if no one bothers enforcing laws and no one gets fined then more laws are useless. I think the federal government should have to enforce border security even if they have to send hundreds of thousands of soldiers and marines and air force to the southern border to guard it. Otherwise it is an unfunded federal mandate.
 
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Pocatello

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Oct 11, 1999
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We should not boycott CA because it doesn't enforce the law, we only boycott states that enforce the law of the government.
 
CrackRabbit

CrackRabbit

Lifer
Mar 30, 2001
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palehorse said:
Many states and local districts across the entire country have laws that are very similar to the one in Albuquerque, NM -- where they can check the status of anyone who gets arrested. However, as far as I know, AZ's new law is the only one where they can conduct citizenship checks during a stop or detainment that is based on some other suspected violation or criminal act.

That said, I wish all of them were more like AZ's new law, and that they all actually enforced the damn things...
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It is sad that there is such reading comprehension fail in this thread.

I'm glad someone actually read what was posted instead of going on some fake outrage trip.
 
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dammitgibs

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Fern
Super Moderator

repost, my bad


http://www.washingtontimes.com/webl...interview-la-city-councilman-attacks-ariz-la/

(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws.
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So should we be upset about this too? Apparently California has been a bunch of racist nazis the entire time. Granted California's sanctuary cities don't actually follow the law, but that's a whole other issue.
 
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Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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This is not that surprising. California, when given the chance, votes anti-illegal. This is not an Arizona vs. California thing. It's a pro-illegal / politically correct vs. rule of law / pragmatist thing.
 
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alphatarget1

Diamond Member
Dec 9, 2001
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Common Courtesy said:
Laws may be on the books but selectively enforced and/or ignored.

If real, why will not CA enforce violation being done by SF and others regarding their santuary laws
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You're essentially saying that the outrage over AZ's new law doesn't amount to anything when LEO officers won't enforce the law on the books?
 
Red Dawn

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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nick1985 said:
Whats fake? California has a similar law to Arizona already on the books, its hypocracy at its best.
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Similar, not the same. To quote Palehorse

Many states and local districts across the entire country have laws that are very similar to the one in Albuquerque, NM -- where they can check the status of anyone who gets arrested. However, as far as I know, AZ's new law is the only one where they can conduct citizenship checks during a stop or detainment that is based on some other suspected violation or criminal act.
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EagleKeeper

EagleKeeper

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Oct 30, 2000
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alphatarget1 said:
Common Courtesy said:
Laws may be on the books but selectively enforced and/or ignored.

If real, why will not CA enforce violation being done by SF and others regarding their santuary laws
Click to expand...

You're essentially saying that the outrage over AZ's new law doesn't amount to anything when LEO officers won't enforce the law on the books?
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What is the use of having such laws on the books if the LEO will not enforce it and/or the government will not back up the law.

But the politicians are chicken to actually change the law where the public can see the pandering.
This way they can make all the pandering noise they want without being on the hook.

Maybe people can sue the state government for not fulfilling their obligations.
 
Red Dawn

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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Common Courtesy said:
What is the use of having such laws on the books if the LEO will not enforce it and/or the government will not back up the law.

But the politicians are chicken to actually change the law where the public can see the pandering.
This way they can make all the pandering noise they want without being on the hook.

Maybe people can sue the state government for not fulfilling their obligations.
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So you are suggesting the most LEO's in CA don't check the immigration status of perps they've arrested? There might be isolated cases but I bet in most cases where their is the slightest suspicion that the perp m=not be an undocumented alien they do check and report them to the Feds.
 
EagleKeeper

EagleKeeper

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Red Dawn said:
So you are suggesting the most LEO's in CA don't check the immigration status of perps they've arrested? There might be isolated cases but I bet in most cases where their is the slightest suspicion that the perp m=not be an undocumented alien they do check and report them to the Feds.
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They may report them to the Feds; but they do not detain them for the Feds.
If so; then why are so many criminals that are also illegals out on the street?

Then you have the municipalities that refuse to cooperate and actually undermine the law.

Yet the State will do nothing about that.
And the Feds are scared to do anything in that arena because of political backlash.
 
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