Johnson&Johnson Baby Powder

[brycejones]

And the amount of carcinogen was likely negligible. But because ignorant juries who buy drama lawyers stupid refrain in every case despite actual damages...."they are a big company, send a message and them pay !!$$!!%%11111" ....so my 40% contingency of the judgement will help me retire early..

Every 30 seconds there is a new ad on TV by some group of lawyers suing for any reason like earplugs, aspirin, foam, etc, etc. Anything they can think of, no matter how small the claim, class action!

Or you know companies could act ethically.

 

[Meghan54]

Calm the fuck down Francis, my issue is with the $4.69B award the jury gave for plaintiffs' claims it cause ovarian cancer. Baby powder did not fucking cause ovarian cancer and there's no evidence to suggest it did. They breathed it in and it magically transported all the way to their ovaries? I'm not buying it. Those other plaintiffs claiming it caused their mesothelioma have a legitimate claim; I'm not disputing that one.

You don't like the study cause it's industry funded? Has anyone bought a pallet of baby powder and tested it? There need not be a reliance on data provided by J&J, someone else can fund the study.

Did the company do shady shit? I'm sure they did. As much as I abhor that, I also have an equal contempt for ambulance chasers conflating one risk for another knowing full well our legal system has not the capacity or wherewithal to distinguish between a valid claim based on known data or an invalid claim (cigarettes killed my father! And raped my mother!).

And you do understand almost all medical research done in this country uses men as the subject and the results are about men. Every wonder why there are reams of research on lung cancer and asbestos exposure (and the sources of said asbestos exposure were/are mechanics (brake dust exposure), boilermakers/commercial kiln operators (exposure to asbestos laden fire brick...which is where all my exposure to asbestos stems from and I was exposed to what one would expect in a lifetime in a few years), etc., etc., but in the research, few if any women are represented as subjects?

Hint: Almost no research has been done on women and their exposure to asbestos in anything, not just in talc. Rarely are women used as the sole research co-hort.

And honestly, this has been an acknowledged problem in research for decades, yet more money goes into men's problems than women's.

As another example....heart disease. Almost all our knowledge of heart attacks (MI), how to treat them, etc., is derived from research on men. There is no research done on women because "we" assume men and women react the same to everything, but the reality is women display quite different reactions to exposure to irritants/contaminants/whatever vs. men. The treatment of women and MI's is evolving to treatments specific to them...I know the research that was finally being done on women and cardiac disease in the 1970's-1990's was demonstrating quite different responses to specific treatments vs. men's responses.

The lack of literature on asbestos links to ovarian cancer in women shouldn't be overemphasized...in fact, it should almost be ignored as a talking point, except to encourage a vast increase in research funding for women's health.

 

[kitkat22]

mets have fingerprints. It's pretty easy to determine the primary tumor.

Most of the time. We do run into situations where we have metastatic adenocarcinoma of unknown primary. But for the most part, a biopsy will include characteristic finding under the microscope and then sent off for genetics. Sometimes the cells are poorly differentiated which it impossible to ID the exact etiology. We then try based on CT imaging. Usually, it's the biggest tumor but not always. Sometimes the metastatic lesions are all the same size. Makes it a bigger to ID. There are still treatments but it definitely is harder.

 

[hal2kilo]

I miss my Goldbond. Creams, really? No substitutes?

 

[dawp]

I just love fdc making a fool of themselves.

 

[nickqt]

And the amount of carcinogen was likely negligible. But because ignorant juries who buy drama lawyers stupid refrain in every case despite actual damages...."they are a big company, send a message and make them pay !!$$!!%%11111" ....so my 40% contingency of the judgement will help me retire early..

Every 30 seconds there is a new ad on TV by some group of lawyers suing for any reason like earplugs, aspirin, foam, etc, etc. Anything they can think of, no matter how small the claim, class action!

You're on the side of corporations that knowingly profit from poisoning babies.

That's what makes you who you are.

Congrats and have a great day.

 

[feralkid]

And lotion is just a no go.

I'm thinking a song is writing itself...

 

[FelixDeCat]

You're on the side of corporations that knowingly profit from poisoning babies.

That's what makes you who you are.

Congrats and have a great day.

Im on the side of common sense awards. These should be limited to $250,000 each at the most. JNJ is a great company most people do not want to see bankrupted by greedy lawyers and incompetent juries swayed by exaggerated and dramatic arguments that talcum powder is dangerous when in fact it is not.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably is not thinking this through.

 

[IronWing]

Im on the side of common sense awards. These should be limited to $250,000 each at the most. JNJ is a great company most people do not want to see bankrupted by greedy lawyers and incompetent juries swayed by exaggerated and dramatic arguments that talcum powder is dangerous when in fact it is not.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably is not thinking this through.

In other words, Felix wants to transfer liability for damages caused by egregious conduct from corporations engaging in the conduct and their wealthy shareholders to the victims of the conduct and the taxpayers. "should be limited to $X" is another way of saying, "I don't give a f' what they did and what the facts are, they are rich and so should be protected from the consequences of their actions."

 

[brycejones]

Im on the side of common sense awards. These should be limited to $250,000 each at the most. JNJ is a great company most people do not want to see bankrupted by greedy lawyers and incompetent juries swayed by exaggerated and dramatic arguments that talcum powder is dangerous when in fact it is not.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably is not thinking this through.

They aren’t s great company if they knowingly sold contaminated talcum powder for decades and killed people with that product.

Anyone who thinks a company that does that is a “great company” has serious mental issues and should be separated from society.

 

[hal2kilo]

Im on the side of common sense awards. These should be limited to $250,000 each at the most. JNJ is a great company most people do not want to see bankrupted by greedy lawyers and incompetent juries swayed by exaggerated and dramatic arguments that talcum powder is dangerous when in fact it is not.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably is not thinking this through.

It is just about impossible to get talc produced that is not contaminated with asbestos. Blame nature.

 

[FelixDeCat]

They aren’t s great company if they knowingly sold contaminated talcum powder for decades and killed people with that product.

Anyone who thinks a company that does that is a “great company” has serious mental issues and should be separated from society.

JNJ is one of the greatest companies of all time. It has saved billions of lives and dollars for people around the world. The only people who disagree are dime store lawyers looking for an early retirement.

Most Americans love and respect JNJ. Just ask most Americans.

 

[FelixDeCat]

It is just about impossible to get talc produced that is not contaminated with asbestos. Blame nature.

Precisely. I am not a man of science but even I can tell this was all about getting big judgements from deep pockets by exaggerating claims.

 

[hal2kilo]

JNJ is one of the greatest companies of all time. It has saved billions of lives and dollars for people around the world. The only people who disagree are dime store lawyers looking for an early retirement.

Most Americans love and respect JNJ. Just ask most Americans.

Rah, rah, rah, I guess.

 

[MrSquished]

Felix the fascist should find some older baby powder and gargle with it for a year. I see that as having promising results

 

[brycejones]

JNJ is one of the greatest companies of all time. It has saved billions of lives and dollars for people around the world. The only people who disagree are dime store lawyers looking for an early retirement.

Most Americans love and respect JNJ. Just ask most Americans.

JNJ is a company it's fucking weird as hell to say "Most Americans love" it.

The simple fact remains, JNJ knowingly sold a contaminated product that killed people because it was profitable to do so. So while you may "love" a corporation, their actions prove the corporation has no love for you. They only love your wallet.

 

[dawp]

JNJ is a company it's fucking weird as hell to say "Most Americans love" it.

The simple fact remains, JNJ knowingly sold a contaminated product that killed people because it was profitable to do so. So while you may "love" a corporation, their actions prove the corporation has no love for you. They only love your wallet.

I'm sure they love big tobacco too.

I had a neighbor when I lived back in texas who won a multi-million malpractice settlement on a couple of Doctors who were convicted for insurance fraud because they repeatedly operated on his foot and made him crippled just to milk his insurance company, Texas limited the malpractice awards to $250k some time after that, that $250k would not have lasted very long for a person who permanently disabled when he was fairly young.

 

[Homerboy]

Im on the side of common sense awards. These should be limited to $250,000 each at the most. JNJ is a great company most people do not want to see bankrupted by greedy lawyers and incompetent juries swayed by exaggerated and dramatic arguments that talcum powder is dangerous when in fact it is not.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably is not thinking this through.

$250K is an expensive lunch outing for these companies. It in no way shape or form would prevent them from just doing similar things again and again and again. The punishment HAS to be an actual PUNISHMENT that the company and shareholders actually FEEL to prevent future actions.

 

[Verndewdimus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1450522101924827137

And the courts will most likely let them get away with this bullshit, profits before people always

thats a small grain of a somethin somethin compared to whats going to be revealed

 

[dawp]

$250K is an expensive lunch outing for these companies. It in no way shape or form would prevent them from just doing similar things again and again and again. The punishment HAS to be an actual PUNISHMENT that the company and shareholders actually FEEL to prevent future actions.

plus if you cripple someone so badly that they won't be able to work for the rest of their lives you should be able to take that into account in the award. $250 won't last very long.

 

[MrSquished]

You have to be sick to defend j&j here. So of course.....