Johnny Walker has a few words for Chris Kyle bashers

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bshole

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In my opinion, a man of honor would have dropped the suit when Kyle died or at least refused the monetary judgement against his surviving family when his reputation was cleared by the court. But hey, that's just me and my twisted definition of honor.

I see no reason that Kyle or his family should be rewarded in any way from telling lies about another person. There should be a consequence. In addition given Kyle's now known history of lying, who the fuck knows what is the truth any more? The only thing for sure known is that he killed a whole shitload of Iraqis.

I fully support Jesse extracting every single penny out of Kyle's estate that he is entitled to... especially when Kyle and his wife went out for their way to say that they were giving all of the profits from the book to charity (another bald-faced lie, try 52,000 out of 3,000,000).

Consider what Kyle’s publisher wrote after his tragic passing: “He dedicated his life in recent years to supporting veterans and donated the proceeds of American Sniper to the families of his fallen friends” (italics mine). An article in the Blaze definitively proclaimed: “A perfect reflection of his character, Kyle gave all proceeds from his best-selling book American Sniper to the families of soldiers killed in combat” (italics mine). Or this line from a Human Events article: “For American Sniper, Kyle donated the profits from that book to charity.” Kyle himself perpetuated this idea, telling the same proceeds-went-to-charity tale to the Texas News Service and even adding that he regularly received tearful calls and letters of thanks.

And now for the kicker: It isn’t true. Out of the staggering $3 million that American Sniper collected in royalties for Kyle, only $52,000 actually went to the families of fallen servicemen.
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A jury, with far more information than we the public have (including the chance to listen to witness testimony and watch Kyle’s deposition), essentially found that Kyle lied. The fact that many conservatives are furiously shaking their heads, refusing to accept this, and taking it even further by attacking Ventura for daring to clear his name is extremely disturbing. Ventura is the jerk for suing to restore his reputation — not Chris Kyle for lying and making an easy target sound like a demon, for the sake of financial gain and publicity.
 
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In my opinion, a man of honor would have dropped the suit when Kyle died or at least refused the monetary judgement against his surviving family when his reputation was cleared by the court. But hey, that's just me and my twisted definition of honor.

You realize that is only one part of a bigger legal matter right? That judgement now allows Ventura to pursue against HarperCollins who heavily promoted the book using that story to promote and increase sales.

This decision puts Ventura in a much more solid position when it comes to pursuing action agains the publisher as their actions using the story for promotion will make it much easier for him to show that the proceeds, at least in part, are directly related to using the false story.

The decision against Kyle's estate is still under appeal. Who knows what he will do with the money once it's done but pursuing it to finality is prudent in the big picture for what his legal team is claiming.
 
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You realize that is only one part of a bigger legal matter right? That judgement now allows Ventura to pursue against HarperCollins who heavily promoted the book using that story to promote and increase sales.

This decision puts Ventura in a much more solid position when it comes to pursuing action agains the publisher as their actions using the story for promotion will make it much easier for him to show that the proceeds, at least in part, are directly related to using the false story.

The decision against Kyle's estate is still under appeal. Who knows what he will do with the money once it's done but pursuing it to finality is prudent in the big picture for what his legal team is claiming.
I hope Ventura extracts every dime his honor is worth.
 

fskimospy

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I hope Ventura extracts every dime his honor is worth.

Kyle and his family made significant amounts of money defaming Jesse Ventura. This is not easy to do because:

1.) defamation law in the US is super defendant friendly and
2.) holy shit how hard is it to defame Jesse Ventura.

That being said neither Kyle nor his family has any right to money made by lying about someone else. Kyle even had a chance to keep his ill-gotten money by simply admitting he lied. He refused. Now they only get to keep $1.2 million out of the $3 million he and his family got for the book? boo-freaking-hoo.
 

thraashman

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Kyle and his family made significant amounts of money defaming Jesse Ventura. This is not easy to do because:

1.) defamation law in the US is super defendant friendly and
2.) holy shit how hard is it to defame Jesse Ventura.

That being said neither Kyle nor his family has any right to money made by lying about someone else. Kyle even had a chance to keep his ill-gotten money by simply admitting he lied. He refused. Now they only get to keep $1.2 million out of the $3 million he and his family got for the book? boo-freaking-hoo.

It would be really nice if Ventura donated the entirety of the money he gets from the lawsuit to the people whom Kyle claimed he was going to give it to begin with. It would be a great gesture, and if Ventura isn't into great gestures, a nice final "fuck you" to the lying asshole Kyle.
 

bshole

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. Kyle even had a chance to keep his ill-gotten money by simply admitting he lied. He refused. Now they only get to keep $1.2 million out of the $3 million he and his family got for the book? boo-freaking-hoo.

Excellent point Eski. Thank you for reminding me. All Kyle had to do was admit that he lied. He wouldn't do it. Kyle knew he was lying. Kyle knew he was defaming an innocent man. Kyle was given AMPLE opportunity to retract the lie with no monetary penalty whatsoever. Kyle refused. And now KYLE is the victim? Jesse is the bad guy? This is the thing that really bothers me. Jesse's name has been slimed and no matter what he does his reputation has taken a hit. He has KYLE to thank for that.
 
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DigDog

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omg people are blaming a marine redneck for being somewhat slightly racist. he was just a guy ffs.
 

bshole

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I tell you what's sad...people who assume much and understand little. Chris Kyle is not my hero.

It sure sounded like you had a lot of respect for Kyle based on your posts. You questioned Ventura's honorability when Jesse stood up for himself.
 
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It sure sounded like you had a lot of respect for Kyle based on your posts. You questioned Ventura's honorability when Jesse stood up for himself.
I don't know what I said that gave you the impression that I had a lot of respect for Kyle. And I never questioned Ventura's honor for standing up for himself. I questioned his honor for extracting every cent possible from Kyle's widow and children after Kyle was dead. I don't know how I can be any clearer than this.
 

kage69

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omg people are blaming a marine redneck for being somewhat slightly racist. he was just a guy ffs.

So, you either somehow missed all the mention of Kyle being a SEAL, or you're in the habit of using the terms 'marines' and 'SEALs' interchangeably.

Just a heads up - you might want to get the basics down pat before submitting terse support for stereotypes, which are contradicted by the subject of the thread you're posting in.

Wouldn't want people thinking you're a numpty right? ;)
 

kage69

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I don't know what I said that gave you the impression that I had a lot of respect for Kyle. And I never questioned Ventura's honor for standing up for himself. I questioned his honor for extracting every cent possible from Kyle's widow and children after Kyle was dead. I don't know how I can be any clearer than this.

What was it that led you to believe the bolded portion above?

Humor me.
 

kage69

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I wonder what Don Shiplee thinks of all this. Poor guy spends a lot of time exposing valor stealing frauds and conmen for the honor of the teams, and now here's one who has been exposed as apparently selling some bullshit of his own.

I really wish our love of Hollywood and image hadn't crept this far into the military, none of this stuff should even be news. There shouldn't be any documentaries or tell all books regarding our elite war fighters, it's simply contrary to the requisite secrecy operators need to do their jobs. Disputes like the one between Ventura and Kyle being turned into meat for the media is bullshit. It's all one big boost in exposure, and a hit to morale and prestige (not to mention probably being taken advantage of by foreign intel services).

This is why the Brit and German guys giggle at us. When's the last time you heard of an SAS member getting his face all over cable and doing Q&A regarding his earlier deployment in a still ongoing conflict?
 
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PlanetJosh

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Concerning the murder of Kyle was Kyle ever worried about the killer (Routh) having access to a gun when in his presence considering Routh had serious mental issues?
 

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Concerning the murder of Kyle was Kyle ever worried about the killer (Routh) having access to a gun when in his presence considering Routh had serious mental issues?

Kyle had never met Routh before. He had only heard that "he was having some trouble."

Not sure how familiar you are with the situation, but for a year or so at that time, Kyle had organized a shooting club for troubled vets. He would take them out to the range and get them shooting to work through some of their issues, and it really seemed to help a lot of them.

This guy was recommended to Kyle, and he arrived that day to go shooting. So, it wasn't like he wouldn't have a gun on him. Kyle was made aware that Routh was troubled, but I imagine that he wouldn't have assumed he was that much more troubled the other vets that he had worked with. Seems that Kyle realized something was truly off about him soon after meeting, though.
 

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For whatever reason, military get a huge pass about lying. Brian Williams gets vilified and loses his job for saying he was shot at. Meanwhile Marcus Luttrell makes up a huge load of verified shit in his book about his experience in Afghanistan and yet nobody cares. Chris Kyle makes up some rubbish and again a lot of people seem to not care at all.
 

bshole

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For whatever reason, military get a huge pass about lying. Brian Williams gets vilified and loses his job for saying he was shot at. Meanwhile Marcus Luttrell makes up a huge load of verified shit in his book about his experience in Afghanistan and yet nobody cares. Chris Kyle makes up some rubbish and again a lot of people seem to not care at all.

In Kyle's defense, honesty was not a requirement for him to do his job. A good aim and an active enjoyment in killing people were much higher requirements. From everything I have read, he had both of these attributes in spades.
 

Brovane

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For whatever reason, military get a huge pass about lying. Brian Williams gets vilified and loses his job for saying he was shot at. Meanwhile Marcus Luttrell makes up a huge load of verified shit in his book about his experience in Afghanistan and yet nobody cares. Chris Kyle makes up some rubbish and again a lot of people seem to not care at all.

The only thing rubbish in his book was the Ventura incident. His activities in Iraqi are well documented. Their was a reason that fellow SEAL's started calling him "The Legend".
 

Fern

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Why? When somebody dies, all responsibility for their actions go away? That is some pretty weak logic. A drunken driver kills your entire family but is killed himself..... an honorable man would not sue the estate of the drunk?

Kyle and the book publisher pushed the Ventura lies to increase sales and to put more money in their pockets. They profited from their lies. They had no right to profit from lies that tarnish another person. If nothing else this puts other sleazy people from attempting the same kind of slimy crap.

I don't think your analogy is apt.

IMO, the point of Ventura's lawsuit is to punish Kyle for allegedly lying about him.

Upon Kyle's death the only persons punished are the wife and kid.

Fern
 

Brovane

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I don't think your analogy is apt.

IMO, the point of Ventura's lawsuit is to punish Kyle for allegedly lying about him.

Upon Kyle's death the only persons punished are the wife and kid.

Fern

I have also wondered how not having Kyle in person affected the Jury outcome for the Ventura incident. He had given a deposition but it was obviously the taped deposition that was presented to the jury. Ventura was their in person.
 

kage69

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For whatever reason, military get a huge pass about lying. Brian Williams gets vilified and loses his job for saying he was shot at. Meanwhile Marcus Luttrell makes up a huge load of verified shit in his book about his experience in Afghanistan and yet nobody cares. Chris Kyle makes up some rubbish and again a lot of people seem to not care at all.

His book was difficult. On the one hand it's quite a story, a good view into what meat eaters train for and a touching and heartfelt take on the shitty reality of going to war with your brothers. On the other hand, reading his explanation on why he thought the shepherds should be let go, and some other politically tinged, lame details - it got downright nauseating at parts.

I still respect the guy even though he's a Bush fanboy and not much of a writer, I just wish he didn't stoop to that level of spin. I don't enjoy associating that kind of behavior with a patriot with real teeth who went through hell (residing there part time now out of grief) in order to do his duty. I will say that it speaks very well of the man that he and the teams made mountains move to get Mohammed Gulab and Co. over to the States ASAP. Taliban already killed one of his cousins or uncles, I forget which. The SEALs have been doing that kind of thing successfully for awhile now, I wish I knew why Marines and Army can't seem to emulate it regarding their own local assets and terps.

Great piece on it from John Oliver for those who haven't seen it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QplQL5eAxlY