John Sununu says Powell endorsed Obama because he is black.

nextJin

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www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/john-sununu-colin-powell-endorsement_n_2020735.html

This is why young conservatives and especially minorities are abandoning the GOP in droves.

How the hell can you be a surrogate and say asinine shit like this? All you do is alienate the people you need to win. Independent voters see this and just have nothing but disgust and are turned away.

He had an opportunity to go into possible policy matters but says this?

GOP: Burn it to the ground.
 

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I am sure it is partly motivated by it. With 95% of blacks expected to support Obama this is an elephant in the room hard to ignore.

It's funny that this guy accuses Powell of acting racially and then applauds him for it, though.
 
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Duh, actually I think Condeliza Rice is the only Black American voting against him. If I remember correctly its more like 99.3% of the Black vote will go to Obama.
 

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I am sure it is partly motivated by it. With 95% of blacks expected to support Obama this is an elephant in the room hard to ignore. It's funny that this guy accuses Powell of acting racially and then applauds him for it, though.
That's 100% true. Colin Powell is just like me in that he's illogical and speaks without knowing what he's talking about.
This is why young conservatives and especially minorities are abandoning the GOP in droves. How the hell can you be a surrogate and say asinine shit like this? All you do is alienate the people you need to win. Independent voters see this and just have nothing but disgust and are turned away. He had an opportunity to go into possible policy matters but says this? GOP: Burn it to the ground.
Actually, black and brown/gray people are the majority. White people are the natural 1%.

In other words, if you're descended from Eve (i.e., if you have a neanderthal matrilineal lineage), then you're white genetically and God meant for all of your ancestors to be white (actually, that wasn't meant to be a hypothesis, but I worded it like one anyway). If you're rh positive, then you're black phenotypically. If you're rh negative but born to a non-white matrilineal lineage, then you're good and lucky because God has your soul saved for you.
 
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Charles Kozierok

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Sununu has acted like a complete horse's ass throughout this entire race. The right has applauded him for being an attack dog.

Looks like he finally stepped on his own schlong.
 

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Everyone seems to be missing my point, the GOP base is shrinking and they need minorities for future voters. Comments like this do nothing but shun them away.

Sununu is a man of stature and as such should be taking the moral high ground and work to bring in minorities.
 

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Duh. Of course Sununu is right, I'm sure it played a major part in it. Lets not be naive and pretend . . .

Colin Powell wouldn't vote for Herman Cain. Powell primarily supports Obama because of his policies. You saying the fact that Obama is (half) black "played a major part in it" is demonstrably false.

Let's not be dishonest and pretend otherwise, k?
 

Jhhnn

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Everyone seems to be missing my point, the GOP base is shrinking and they need minorities for future voters. Comments like this do nothing but shun them away.

Sununu is a man of stature and as such should be taking the moral high ground and work to bring in minorities.

Sununu is fighting a rear guard action to hold voters, not to gain them, preying on lingering racist sentiment among actual voters, the vast majority of whom are White.

It's quite cynical, expected behavior in the classic mold of divide & conquer top down class warfare. Keep the proles fighting among themselves.
 

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nextJin, Sununu may once have been a "statesman", but this year he has just been Romney's attack dog. Sean Hannity introduces him as the "One Man Romney Wrecking Crew".

Duh. Of course Sununu is right, I'm sure it played a major part in it.

Really? How are you "sure" about this? Are you Powell's best friend? Have ESP?

The vast majority of blacks are voting for Obama. True. Some blacks are voting for Obama because he's black. Also true.

This doesn't mean that all blacks are voting for Obama because he's black. Most are voting Democrat for other reasons, just as those voters ALWAYS vote Democrat even when there are two whites running.

Guess what? A huge majority of Mormons are voting for Romney. Some are voting for Romney because he's Mormon. That doesn't mean all are. Most of them are voting for Romney because he's more conservative than the other guy, just as many Mormons ALWAYS vote for the more conservative candidate, even when there are two non-Mormons running.

The fact that Romney has surrounded himself with the very same neocons Powell opposed during the Bush administration is ALONE enough reason for him to vote for Obama.

You're smarter than this. Pull your head out of your ass and start using it.
 

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Everyone seems to be missing my point, the GOP base is shrinking and they need minorities for future voters. Comments like this do nothing but shun them away.

Sununu is a man of stature and as such should be taking the moral high ground and work to bring in minorities.

It is not the GOP it is Obama the divider and chief, this country has not been this racially divided in over 50 years. Fortunately not everyone of color has bought in to what Obama is selling like Condoleezza Rice, Herman Cain, JC Watts, Allen West and this guy;

http://thyblackman.com/2012/10/10/the-black-divider-in-chief-yes-barack-obama/

One could argue that it would be the same if any other black were president. I think not. A responsible black president would discourage his supporters from using race to further his agenda and win reelection. A president worthy of the office would understand that national racial unity is fragile and precious; not something to be exploited to win policy issues or sacrificed on the reelection alter. But only a person of character would think such high thoughts. A minister said there is nothing worse than a small person in a big position.

Barack Obama has proven himself to be a “small” man, lacking in character. Not only is Obama incapable of taking the higher ground to discourage racial cliches, he stirs the pot of racial stereotypes and false assumptions. Heck, Obama’s minions have made “race” the centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Their message is simple. Anyone not voting for Obama is a “hater” and a “racist”. Dear Lord, how did we as a nation come to expect so little in terms of the morality and character of our leaders? Obama runs America like a mob boss with young zombie blacks, his bully Justice Department and SEIU/ACORN thugs as his enforcers.
 

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Duh. Of course Sununu is right, I'm sure it played a major part in it. Lets not be naive and pretend that the bummer getting 97% of the vote from one group is just a happy little coincidence. It might not be PC to say, but the truth is the truth.

It must be comforting to entertain such delusions. Blacks have voted overwhelmingly for Democratic presidential candidates for a very long time-

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http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/
 

Charles Kozierok

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It is not the GOP it is Obama the divider and chief...

Drool, drool, drool.

The racism against Obama started before he locked up the nomination.

There were GOP operatives sending around emails with pictures of watermelons growing on the White House lawn.

Republicans met the night of the inauguration to try to figure out how to harpoon Obama's presidency.

The "dividing" has been mostly on your side, sparky.
 

nehalem256

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nextJin, Sununu may once have been a "statesman", but this year he has just been Romney's attack dog. Sean Hannity introduces him as the "One Man Romney Wrecking Crew".



Really? How are you "sure" about this? Are you Powell's best friend? Have ESP?

The vast majority of blacks are voting for Obama. True. Some blacks are voting for Obama because he's black. Also true.

This doesn't mean that all blacks are voting for Obama because he's black. Most are voting Democrat for other reasons, just as those voters ALWAYS vote Democrat even when there are two whites running.

Guess what? A huge majority of Mormons are voting for Romney. Some are voting for Romney because he's Mormon. That doesn't mean all are. Most of them are voting for Romney because he's more conservative than the other guy, just as many Mormons ALWAYS vote for the more conservative candidate, even when there are two non-Mormons running.

The fact that Romney has surrounded himself with the very same neocons Powell opposed during the Bush administration is ALONE enough reason for him to vote for Obama.

You're smarter than this. Pull your head out of your ass and start using it.

Let us do some analysis

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Analysis

So for 2004
White vote 58-41 Bush/Kerry
Black vote 11-88 Bush/Kerry

2008
White vote 55-43 McCain/Obama
Black vote 4-95 McCain/Obama


So Obama gained 7/11 Black voters that he could have possibly gained while only gaining 3/58 white voters he could have gained.

64% of the black voters who could switch to voting for Obama did, please explain why this would happen for any reason beyond voting for the black candidate?
 

Charles Kozierok

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64% of the black voters who could switch to voting for Obama did, please explain why this would happen for any reason beyond voting for the black candidate?

What part of this are you having trouble understanding: "Some blacks are voting for Obama because he's black. Also true. This doesn't mean that all blacks are voting for Obama because he's black."
 

nehalem256

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Drool, drool, drool.

The racism against Obama started before he locked up the nomination.

There were GOP operatives sending around emails with pictures of watermelons growing on the White House lawn.

Republicans met the night of the inauguration to try to figure out how to harpoon Obama's presidency.

The "dividing" has been mostly on your side, sparky.

Its called a joke.

It is no different than making reference to Romney having multiple wives because he is Mormon.
 

Jhhnn

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64% of the black voters who could switch to voting for Obama did, please explain why this would happen for any reason beyond voting for the black candidate?

For economic reasons, given that blacks have taken a bigger hit in this Repub policy induced Depression...

I'm sure some blacks vote for Obama because he's black, just as some whites vote against him for the same reason... The latter being what Sununu attempts to reinforce.

Whites are still the vast majority of voters.
 

nehalem256

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For economic reasons, given that blacks have taken a bigger hit in this Repub policy induced Depression...

Which is why I included white voters as a control group. The rate of potential switchers who switch was 10-1

I'm sure some blacks vote for Obama because he's black, just as some whites vote against him for the same reason... The latter being what Sununu attempts to reinforce.

And this might be relevant if someone well known white Democrat endorsed Romney.

Whites are still the vast majority of voters.

Deflect ;)
 

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Let us do some analysis

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Analysis

So for 2004
White vote 58-41 Bush/Kerry
Black vote 11-88 Bush/Kerry

2008
White vote 55-43 McCain/Obama
Black vote 4-95 McCain/Obama


So Obama gained 7/11 Black voters that he could have possibly gained while only gaining 3/58 white voters he could have gained.

64% of the black voters who could switch to voting for Obama did, please explain why this would happen for any reason beyond voting for the black candidate?

IMO it's just as likely that this 64% saw the train wreck that was McCain/Palin and said what a lot of sane, independent voters did...heeeeeeelllllllllllll nooooooooooooooo.

Palin as the second in command to a then 72 year old McCain?