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syzygy

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aaron, i don't normally condone scare tactics, and would not initiate them
either, but when these same federal lands are being threatened with the loss
of their protections because some conservative numb nut is waxing his spleen
about 'liberal dangers', then, yeah, you have to resort to classic propaganda
so the public can understand what is being threatened and for what purpose.

the public cares, as the recent florida off-shore drilling decision bears out,
that when their local environs are threatened by corporate invasion they will
vent and protest to pressure the governor (jeb bush in this case) or the
federal government to prevent such destruction. jeb suffered a political
embarrassment becaused, like all womb republicans, they cannot help their
programming, but luckily his big brother sits in the white house and
helped him stem some of the public relations damage.


 

AaronP

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I look at it this way, we used to have an ICE age that was really ass cold. The earth heated up and we came out of it. THere were no factories or SUV's back then pumping the air with CO2, however it still heated up. The earth's gonna do what the earth's gonna do anything Man does will only affect it fractionaly at the most.
 

Modeps

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whatever... the truth is that 95% of the so-called greenhouse gasses are produced by MOTHER NATURE HERSELF. The 5% produced by humans can't POSSIBLY alter our environment in the way that the scaremongers are trying to tell us it is. So i'll keep driving my gas-guzzler, living in my condo running on electricity produced by big factories, eating my bacon cheeseburgers and huge ass steaks, and i'll love life.
 

Mday

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<< He said that while global warming is happening, the earth is still MUCH colder than it used to be. >>



that is true.

when the earth created, it was a gas, it has since cooled to a solid and liquid. =)

it has also been warmer, as there was an ice age some 10k years ago.
 

GasX

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Methane from livestock is a MAJOR source of pollution!


Ahhhhhh, that country fresh smell...
 

AaronP

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hell, I had a coffe and macdonalds hash brown this morning for breakfast and no I'm making methane and doing my part to heat up the earth.
 

ucdnam

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If you keep emitting CO2 into the atmosphere, you'll disrupt the carbon/oxygen cycles which are Inextricably linked. No, you won't do much damage, but 5% damage is more than enough. By allowing more CO2 into the atmosphere, the environment will reach a new equilibrium where there will also be increased O2 in the atmosphere. O2 is about 21% of the atmosphere right now. Know what happens when there is 25% or more O2 content in the atmosphere??? At the 25% level, even green plants can catch on fire and continue to burn. 12% oxygen is needed to start a fire but if greater than 25%, then we'd all be in deep doodoo. Thus, our environment is where it should be. As you know, humans are a delicate species and fluctuations in our environment would be very harmful to us.
 

WordSmith2000

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These kind of reports make my blood boil?


<< The US has the same amount of forest coverage and natural forests that it had 80 years ago. >>


I have to laugh every time I see quotes like this. When you break down the sentence you can see that it should have come from the mouth of Rush Limbaugh, the biggest liar and apologist for the right wing nuts: the same amount of forest coverage AND natural forests that it had 80 years ago means that you have x amount of acres that are designated on maps as ?forest.? That does not mean that there are actually trees on that ground, or that the trees on that ground are of a diverse nature and the forest they supposedly inhabit is healthy. You lump in the forests that the loggers have raped with the forests protected by the US government as well. The figure in itself is leading and incomplete.

An example of where these ?statistics? lie:
If the loggers cut down 5,000 acres and turn the forest ground to mush, and replace those trees with saplings, all of the plants that used to live in the shade die, the fauna that lived on the dead trees and used the smaller plants for protection die, and the variety of the ecosystem is greatly reduced. But hey, there is nothing wrong with that, because those 5,000 acres are still considered forest. And isn?t it interesting that he chooses to go back 80 years? Would you care to bet that we only have HALF the number of acres of forests that were here a hundred years ago? This kind of lying reminds me of the time that Rush said there were more Indians in America now then there were 200 years ago.



<< Global warming is happening, however the earth is MUCH cooler now than it used to be. (Is it worth it to spend TRILLIONS of dollars on sketchy science?) >>



Yeah, 200 million years ago, the earth was a sauna. And the oceans were a couple hundred feet higher than they are now. That ?sketchy science? is trying to figure out a way to prevent places like New York City and the entire state of Florida from ending up underwater.



<< One landfill that is 11 square miles and 100 yards deep would be big enough to take all of AMERICA'S garbage for 100 fricken year! >>


What is this supposed to prove, that we don?t produce that much trash? You are never going to get a hole like that dug, you are never going to get Americans to agree on a location for such things, and you are still going to have toxic waste dumps fouling up our groundwater. The statement is just plain stupid; I don?t know why I spent 1 minute refuting it.



<< Pollution is DOWN significantly from where it was in the early 1970's. >>


I am sure that our good buddies, the Republicans were responsible for the reduction in pollution, right? Also, just because it is down, does that mean we are in good shape? I tell you what, take a glass and fill it with gasoline. Now pour half of it out and drink it. Hey, you only are half as polluted as you would have been! You will die just as quickly, but what the hell?

Genetic foods and BGH increase productivity and help people in starving nations with NO evidence of harm to humans. >>



When Marie Curie died of radiation poisoning, the so-called ?experts? said that Uranium was harmless as well. The jury is still out on BGH and the like; to say that these things are safe is jumping the gun at best and dangerous oversimplification at worst.

Just because the infant mortality rate, childhood cancer rate, and genetic diseases have exploded in this country does not mean we have environmental factors to blame. It must be the liberal brainwashing that caused my healthy neighbor to have a child with multiple birth defects.

Finally, one has to wonder how a report like this even aired, considering how ?liberal? the media is in America.
 

AaronP

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Wordsmith, don't let your blood boil too much, that extra heat may cause the oceans to rise some more. Go see if Ralph Nader needs a hug.
 

BDawg

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<< I tell you what, take a glass and fill it with gasoline. Now pour half of it out and drink it. Hey, you only are half as polluted as you would have been! You will die just as quickly, but what the hell? >>



LOL! That's a great line.

John Stossel can bend the facts to suit his own needs like anyone can. You people are just looking for &quot;facts&quot; that support your beliefs. Baaaah!
 

Antisocial Virge

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<< John Stossel can bend the facts to suit his own needs like anyone can. You people are just looking for &quot;facts&quot; that support your beliefs. Baaaah! >>



Exactly.
 

TheKidd

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John Stossel didn't do sh!t. Its not like John Stossel said, &quot;I want to do a show about the brainwashing of children and the American people by environmentalist groups. Let me spend a few months in seclusion researching the subject and then report my findings honestly on ABC.&quot; Actually, John Stossel just agreed to host a show where all the research was conducted by other people, and was made not to enlighten the American people, but rather to earn good ratings for ABC. Stop giving John Stossel all the credit for this program, becuase all he was was a sycophant for the network. There are scientists who have devoted years of their lives to studyin the topics that were outlined in the show, and you have the audacity to blow off all of their findings based on a one hour program on prime-time network television?! Why don't you go read a book on the subject and become a little bit informed?
 

BDawg

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I hear next week, John Stossel's going to announce he's found the cure for cancer! ;)
 

almostmakingit

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Did anyone see a climate show on discovery where they were discussing the moons' changing orbit? The point was made that with every incremental change, huge changes are and will happen to our environment.. Not an easy one to prevent if true.. and probably not a good political issue either..
 

ggavinmoss

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Just so the conservative crowd knows... liberal doesn't mean hippie.

Liberal means a lot of concern (followed by action, scare tactics, protest -- i.e. - the discussion of issues in hopefully non-violent formats).

Hippies work on the principle that science is bad. Science is a lie. Only the moon-ray butterfly kisses of harmony and light will save the world. And if science does prevail, blow up a Starbucks -- it's their fault anyway.

-geoff