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John Romero says only the Wii will survive

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what i DO see is a possible "resurgence of PC gaming"

where it regains the 'place' it once held

that is a *lot closer* to my personal view
[although i DO like to take the "underdog/unpopular" view ... in everything]

the PC is just waiting for cheap HW and a "killer ap"

--for years

i'm saying it's gonna finally happen --next year 😉

 
not when the xbox360 and PS3 are unable to compete with the PC's Gfx ... just next year

DX10 will BLOW THEM away!

they didn't get much of an "advantage" to begin with

hahahhahahjfdsalkfjsdaklfjskdajflksadjkfljsdaklfsad

Last time I remembered graphics were not everything for a game.
 
I can go with that. There really are a lot of good looking PC games on the near horizon. Someone just needs to shake loose the deathgrip WoW has on the market. I know it sounds odd to argue that a game is too popular, but WoW really is. Every PC gamer I know that has that game hasn't bought any other PC game in many months. While the console gamers continue to buy 1 or 2 games a month. My best friend is both a PC gamer and a console gamer. He hasn't bought a new PC game (other than the WoW expansion) since the day WoW came out. But he continues to buy console games to play with the rest of us.
 
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
not when the xbox360 and PS3 are unable to compete with the PC's Gfx ... just next year

DX10 will BLOW THEM away!

they didn't get much of an "advantage" to begin with

hahahhahahjfdsalkfjsdaklfjskdajflksadjkfljsdaklfsad

Last time I remembered graphics were not everything for a game.
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for *most people* they are 😛

anyway ... the same games that play on consoles can be played on PC ... with better gfx

if PC HW is cheap, you prefer the simpler gfx of the console

that makes total sense

and any *excellent* game like WoW will 'pull' the masses 😉

there need to be *better games* to compete with WoW, that's all 😛

Oblivion 'did it' for me ... i didn't buy another game for about 5 months while i *finished* it 😛
 
PCs are great for FPS and RTS. But there are many other games that I'd rather play on my crappy TV while sitting my lazy butt on the couch and playing with a controller. Yeah, the graphics aren't as amazing on consoles as on a PC, but who the hell cares? We've gotten to the point where the graphics don't detract from the games, they just add eye candy. That stuff doesn't do it for me.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
PCs are great for FPS and RTS. But there are many other games that I'd rather play on my crappy TV while sitting my lazy butt on the couch and playing with a controller. Yeah, the graphics aren't as amazing on consoles as on a PC, but who the hell cares? We've gotten to the point where the graphics don't detract from the games, they just add eye candy. That stuff doesn't do it for me.
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i sit and play my PC games with a wireless KB and Mouse 😛

i can have a big screen for it also ... i DID ... i like to sit close

next year ... when the consoles look like an original xbox does compared to a high-end PC now ... will you say the same thing about the gfx?
😕

and that IS what Romero is saying ... generally the Wii is fine for couch potatoes 😉
the PC for those who like their gfx ... hot
:Q
 
Its *true* what APPOPIN said 😀 :Q

I have been hearing this for almost a decade now. "PC gaming is dying".
 
Originally posted by: Molondo
Its *true* what APPOPIN said 😀 :Q

I have been hearing this for almost a decade now. "PC gaming is dying".
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it's *true* that we "all" have been hearing it

just a 'head's up' so you know that the nextGen consoles' future are also hanging by a thread as PCs prepare for their return to preeminence in Video gaming

you will toss that 360 pretty soon

😀


 
I *never* get "tired" of reading apoppin's "posts".

Consoles have their place.

PC gaming has its place.

Anyone who says the other is "on its way out" is an idiot. Once Nintendo puts Mario on the PC then maybe I'll give up on console gaming altogether. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I *never* get "tired" of reading apoppin's "posts".

Consoles have their place.

PC gaming has its place.

Anyone who says the other is "on its way out" is an idiot. Once Nintendo puts Mario on the PC then maybe I'll give up on console gaming altogether. :roll:
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thank-you

agreed

agreed

and

agreed
[although i haven't been *emotional* about Mario for many years]

although someday you *Will* toss your Xbox360 [if you don't sell it]
[duh .. that's all i meant in the last post]

😀
 
I think the main problem with what Romero is saying is that you have to read into it a bit. Looney was the first to hit on what I think the issue is here. The way consoles are heading are to be multi-dimensional and multi-tasking machines. I think the change is happening right now with the new systems, actually, with the traditional console as we know it going the way of the dodo. The Wii is the only player left in the game right now with a traditional-type console, a game-playing machine that focuses on that one thing (the online component is an afterthought, IMO).

With the 360, we aren't only playing games, but we're renting and buying video, downloading demos, buying extra content, streaming all kinds of media, using it as a Media Center, and if Microsoft has their way, using it as part of an online gaming hub. With the PS3, people are playing games, downloading content, streaming media, and can even install a fully functional version of linux on the thing. Consoles are becoming more and more like the PC of the living room, and are functioning more and more as a media hub than solely as a gaming function. I think that in the next round of consoles (or even the last 50% of the current "next-gen" console's life cycle), gaming will be considered 50% of the reasoning of the machine, and you'll find more and more of these things will be sold to people who have no interest in playing games.

So, in the sense that Romero says that consoles are in trouble for the future, I think he's right, but not in the wording that he puts it. I think we're seeing a huge convergence of the typical gaming console and the PC. Consoles are gaining more mass acceptance with their increased functionality, and Microsoft is trying it's damndest to converge to a universal multiplayer-centric online gaming base (the harder of the two to achieve).
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
so are you a console whore?
😕

i began playing video games on the very first console and the first PCs 😛

it is *refreshing* to seen another PoV and i do enjoying watching you console elitists squirm - for a change - as your gaming "investment" seems to have a really *short* life - this round

--better luck with xbox720 and PS4 ... if they even care to compete with DX10 - next year

and the Wii *will* suffice for "the reality of what most people want out of games" besides the PC gamers

the future of the high-end console is very much in doubt IF these "cheap PC HW" predictions prove to be true 😉

r600 is gonna be *cheap*
... and may be the new trend


and when is the *last time* YOU guys said anything that came true?
:roll:

you have been predicting the death of PC gaming for over a decade
:thumbsdown:
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The 2 things I hate most about the internet: having to read your ugly posts, and having to enter a console versus PC arguement. Each side has very compelling arguements, but sometimes, posts like yours favors way too heavily on one side without giving proper balance to the other.

Each gaming platform, consoles and PC, have their own strengths and weaknesses. You simply cannot argue that you can build a similarly priced PC to match the graphics and frame rate of a $400 XBOX 360. If you want to get into the arguement of a quality monitor, then that changes things up a bit, but not much. You can argue that console gamers need to purchase an expensive HDTV to get the most out of their console's graphics, but any monitor you buy for your PC can be used on the console as well with a cheap adapter, thus enabling HD resolutions.

But then again, PC's are much more functional, and if you don't care about graphics at all, then a similarly priced PC can be had. BUT, consoles do have the better selection of games, unless you are a MMO or RTS gamer. We're even seeing a trend where FPS games are being optimized for consoles now, and then hastily ported to the PC (along with other genres).

PC games are cheaper, but take longer to develop. Console games are more varied. PC games offer more value in the long run, depending on community mod support. Consoles see more big-name game releases more often. You can go back and forth all day.
 
Originally posted by: NeoV
if you are listening to John Romero as an expert on anything, you are sorely mistaken
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I was wondering how long it was going to take for that to come up. I haven't listened to John Romero at all since the shitfest known as Daikatana.
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: mugs
PCs are great for FPS and RTS. But there are many other games that I'd rather play on my crappy TV while sitting my lazy butt on the couch and playing with a controller. Yeah, the graphics aren't as amazing on consoles as on a PC, but who the hell cares? We've gotten to the point where the graphics don't detract from the games, they just add eye candy. That stuff doesn't do it for me.
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i sit and play my PC games with a wireless KB and Mouse 😛

i can have a big screen for it also ... i DID ... i like to sit close

next year ... when the consoles look like an original xbox does compared to a high-end PC now ... will you say the same thing about the gfx?
😕

and that IS what Romero is saying ... generally the Wii is fine for couch potatoes 😉
the PC for those who like their gfx ... hot
:Q
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Sure, because I still play my PS2, my Xbox, and my GameCube. And my Wii, which doesn't have great graphics. 😉 I've said this many times in defense of the Wii, and I'll say it again in defense of the 360 and PS3.

Atari 2600 era gave us suck-ass 2D graphics.
NES era gave us passable 2D graphics.
SNES era gave us great 2D graphics and suck-ass "3D" graphics.
PSX era gave us passable 3D graphics.
PS2 era gave us 3D graphics that while not entirely realistic did not detract from the gameplay.

Think of it this way - what types of games are today's consoles not capable of because they can't handle the graphics? You couldn't make a GTA3-type game for the N64, let alone the SNES. You couldn't put a football game with the quality of Madden 94 on the Atari 2600. Every generation has opened up the possibility for new types of games, and I don't see that to be the case with this generation (nor with advances in PC graphics in the next few years). I think this console generation will prove that, because you have one contender with "last-gen" graphics and time will show that most cross-platform games will play pretty much the same on all 3 consoles, they'll just look different.

The graphics will only be a problem if you let yourself get hung up on them. 😀 :Q 😛 😉
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: apoppin
so are you a console whore?
😕

i began playing video games on the very first console and the first PCs 😛

it is *refreshing* to seen another PoV and i do enjoying watching you console elitists squirm - for a change - as your gaming "investment" seems to have a really *short* life - this round

--better luck with xbox720 and PS4 ... if they even care to compete with DX10 - next year

and the Wii *will* suffice for "the reality of what most people want out of games" besides the PC gamers

the future of the high-end console is very much in doubt IF these "cheap PC HW" predictions prove to be true 😉

r600 is gonna be *cheap*
... and may be the new trend


and when is the *last time* YOU guys said anything that came true?
:roll:

you have been predicting the death of PC gaming for over a decade
:thumbsdown:
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The 2 things I hate most about the internet: having to read your ugly posts, and having to enter a console versus PC arguement. Each side has very compelling arguements, but sometimes, posts like yours favors way too heavily on one side without giving proper balance to the other.

Each gaming platform, consoles and PC, have their own strengths and weaknesses. You simply cannot argue that you can build a similarly priced PC to match the graphics and frame rate of a $400 XBOX 360. If you want to get into the arguement of a quality monitor, then that changes things up a bit, but not much. You can argue that console gamers need to purchase an expensive HDTV to get the most out of their console's graphics, but any monitor you buy for your PC can be used on the console as well with a cheap adapter, thus enabling HD resolutions.

But then again, PC's are much more functional, and if you don't care about graphics at all, then a similarly priced PC can be had. BUT, consoles do have the better selection of games, unless you are a MMO or RTS gamer. We're even seeing a trend where FPS games are being optimized for consoles now, and then hastily ported to the PC (along with other genres).

PC games are cheaper, but take longer to develop. Console games are more varied. PC games offer more value in the long run, depending on community mod support. Consoles see more big-name game releases more often. You can go back and forth all day.
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well i hate to read your ugly answers to my posts ... so that is 'even'

and you *don't have to* enter a console vs. PC argument. 😛

this NOT intended to be anything BUT *one sided* ... it is JR's opinion i am posting

it is *your job* to give the balance

i am the messenger with the news
... and i shoot back
:Q

😀

and get a grip on reality

this is the *first* thread - ever - that suggested that the PC might win the "war" against the console

a refreshing readdress of the lack of balance here

 
balance perhaps but a bit bonkers. pc's are still not as plug and play as consoles. consoles just work. as for mods that extend game life for pc games, those are good for gamers, not so good for game makers. theres a serious lack of variety in pc games. so many games just don't have a pc version ..its simply not worth the effort of porting it over it seems.
 
I think many of you are missing the point of what Romero is talking about. He's not so much talking about the death of console gaming as he is the emergence of a truely wired (or wireless as the case will be) home system. By their very nature, the PC is slated to take over this niche in the home, whereas the console has to become something it's not (one of the reasons he credits Nintendo for sticking with its console roots).

The PC already has everything the console offers, and much more. The difference is that the PC is not something you typically have sitting next to your TV. That's what Romero is saying will change. PC's are becoming smaller, even more functional, and with wireless, their use is becoming more portable. The only thing we haven't seen yet is wireless monitors and those are right around the corner. Once that happens, there's no more need at all for the user interface to be tied to the box. The PC can finally become what was expected of it since back in the 1980s, a complete home system.

As a casual gamer, I can understand where the PC has fallen to console, or actually I should say I can see the rise in consoles. Until what is coming out now, if you wanted a gaming machine you had to either buy something designed for gaming, or build your own machine. Or run the risk of buying a game and not be able to run it well on your machine. Not what the average person wants to do or put up with. Consoles are just plug and play - you play whatever games are available for it, but you don't worry about buying a game that may or may not work on your system because they all work. Not so with PC gaming, especially where graphics is concerned.

With multicore likely to take over the chore of video, it becomes much easier to make and market machines that will function for gaming similarly as consoles work now. As the video chip goes away, much of the problems associated with PC gaming will also go away. Combine this with what the PC will ultimately become as a home system, and what need are there for consoles except those like Nintendo?

Anyway, that's my POV on the near future, say 10 years or less away.

Edit, BTW, this may be exactly what Sony has in mind with the introduction of the blu-ray with the PS3. Ultimately, Sony will likely be faced with merging its console and home pc line into a universal home system, and tying the blu-ray with its console now is a step in that direction. Maybe Sony's not so dumb after all. 😛
 

well technically feasible but pulling it off is another thing. pc's have been capable of being good dvrs for quite some time now, look at all those media pc using windows mce or whatever. but they don't sell and aren't really all that user friendly. aren't cheap either😛
 
Originally posted by: JackBurton
is this a repost? ... i didn't see this here
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Is that why you posted the SAME THING in the video forum too?
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since you didn't read the entire video thread, i will C&P my explanation it from there ...

i originally posted this in "games"
-sorry for the x-post but many SW people never visit here
😛


but it's real place is [in Video] because of the things he says on future PC HW just blowing-away the consoles ... assuming they are gonna get powerful and cheap ... let him talk for himself:
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posting it "here" was a simple 'error' and by the time i caught it to ask a mod to move it ... it was replied to here in 5 minutes ... it "kinda" fits here ...

but my first love is Video :roll:

😀
 
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