John Oliver Interviews Edward Snowden

[MongGrel]

He didn't "see it full scope", he didn't even understand the majority of the stuff that he leaked, which is a huge part of the problem. Also, I don't understand why people think he's so intelligent. He was an SA/SE with a clearance, big whoop.

 

[LegendKiller]

Wow, you are so cool. You just rebut using animated GIFs. Yay!

 

[master_shake_]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/0..._supply_chain_taps_ask_cisco_for_a_dead_drop/

well if a company like cisco is dropping kit at empty houses just to make sure the NSA isn't cracking open their hardware and bugging it isn't a huge sign snowden did the right thing i don't know what is.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Wow, you are so cool. You just rebut using animated GIFs. Yay!

I don't know why there's even an argument over whether he understood what he leaked or not, he admits he didn't read or even knows what all he leaked.

 

[JD50]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/0..._supply_chain_taps_ask_cisco_for_a_dead_drop/

well if a company like cisco is dropping kit at empty houses just to make sure the NSA isn't cracking open their hardware can bugging it isn't a huge sign snowden did the right thing i don't know what is.

So then is every instance of a company NOT doing this a "huge sign" that they aren't worried about that nonsense?

Edit - lol

Cisco has poked around its routers for possible spy chips, but to date has not found anything because it necessarily does not know what NSA taps may look like, according to Stewart.

 

[Darwin333]

You address the abuses, you don't give the whole damn game away.

What abuses have been addressed? How would they have been addressed had Snowden went through the "proper" channels (hey guys, are you sure we are allowed to spy on these people.... Yup.... Is there anyone above you I can ask?.... Nope, classified...)

How exactly has the whole damn game been given away?

Did he somehow cripple our entire foreign and (illegal) domestic spying abilities or something?

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah, nothing narcissistic about this guy:

He was just another internet asshole until he went full "patriot:"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...id-leakers-should-be-shot-then-he-became-one/

You actually read that entire article about his IRC chats 5 years ago? Wow, you have way more free time than I do and I fail to see how his IRC chats from 5 years ago have any relevance today. People talk shit on the internet (if thats what he did, I didn't make it very far), news at 11.

What, exactly, are you claiming his true motivations were?

 

[Knowing]

1) He took the job with the intention of grabbing classified information and leaking it
2) He clearly didn't read the crap he leaked before he did
3) He doesn't understand the definition of "collection"
4) He has not ever claimed to have contacted the IG (even through a trusted US citizen intermediary, say a lawyer that he could have contacted anonymously)
5) It was his intention from day 1 on the job to collect classified information and leak it to a foreign national.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Snowden betrayed the trust placed in him as a sysad and Snowden betrayed the trust placed in him as an individual endowed with a national security clearance. Fuck him.

 

[olds]

Snowden? Isn't that the guy that runs wikileaks?

 

[LegendKiller]

What abuses have been addressed? How would they have been addressed had Snowden went through the "proper" channels (hey guys, are you sure we are allowed to spy on these people.... Yup.... Is there anyone above you I can ask?.... Nope, classified...)

How exactly has the whole damn game been given away?

Did he somehow cripple our entire foreign and (illegal) domestic spying abilities or something?

This is another favorite pro-Snowden idiot move.

If somebody says he shouldn't have leaked foreign spying, then the idiot says "Well, how could he address the abuse of internal spying".

HE COULD HAVE JUST RELEASED DOMESTIC SPYING INFO. FFS...

 

[LegendKiller]

You actually read that entire article about his IRC chats 5 years ago? Wow, you have way more free time than I do and I fail to see how his IRC chats from 5 years ago have any relevance today. People talk shit on the internet (if thats what he did, I didn't make it very far), news at 11.

What, exactly, are you claiming his true motivations were?

Why don't you ask him his timeline, in detail, who he released the info to and how.

You'll get nowhere. Why? Because he was probably an actual spy wrapped up into this "Freedom loving" twat. It's a perfect cover, no?

He takes the intel on behalf of China and/or Russia, massively embarrasses the US, and Snowden gets to claim innocence the whole time. It's the perfect situation for Russia and/or China. The whole time they see this shit and laugh because you geeks twist yourselves into knots trying to defend the guy who was obviously a traitor.

 

[zinfamous]

You address the abuses, you don't give the whole damn game away.

address them, how? This is the only way to do it and people like Snowden know that.

I would hope that more than just one Snowden out there realizes that this is the only way that anyone can have this conversation in public. Of course some sensitive information will be released, but these are the prices we pay for claiming to live in freedom--not just pretending to be free.

 

[LegendKiller]

address them, how? This is the only way to do it and people like Snowden know that.

I would hope that more than just one Snowden out there realizes that this is the only way that anyone can have this conversation in public. Of course some sensitive information will be released, but these are the prices we pay for claiming to live in freedom--not just pretending to be free.

It looks like we need to break this down into simple terms for the fucking braindead.


Snowden sees that there is Domestic Spying (X) and International Spying (Y).

X is dangerous to the Constitution

Y is not

X should be discussed and seen by the US public, or at least its Representatives

Y should not

Snowden takes X and Y, but does not discern which is which

Snowden goes...where???

How???

WHO???

Snowden apparently gives X *AND* Y to Greenwald and people

But who else? Nobody knows.


Why the fuck don't we know where, who, what, and how?

And most importantly...


*****WHY THE FUCK DID HE RELEASE Y?****

His point could have been made by just releasing X. Everybody would have acknowledged that it was needed. In fact, he would have made him *MORE* credible because nobody could discredit him as a traitor. He would have been just a whistleblower.

My theory? He is a traitor, pure and simple, and the release of the domestic spying was to make him impeachable as somewhat of a "patriot" to the internet idiot masses.

 

[Subyman]

Obviously very intelligent? I don't get that at all. I see a liar who got caught up in his ideals and decided to "get back" at his employer.

What I find interesting is that you people think he was a patriot but have no fucking clue who he is, what he stole, why, or how. You don't know who he might have given the data to or whether he got paid. You have not tracked down his timeline. For all you know he was an actual spy and now he's being used by his masters to further embarrass the US.

The problem with him, and people like you, is that you think you know more and are more intelligent than the "sheep". You think you need to guide everybody. You think you are messianic. You, like him, are nothing but a naive prole.

I applaud his actions to bring some of what he brought into the light, but everything else has trashed that. Had he stuck to *JUST* that, I would hail him a hero. However, he didn't.

Why?

So, you believe he was a Russian spy masquerading as a idealistic American who was born and raised in North Coralina, whose father was a rear admiral and worked at the FBI, who ended up getting access to every NSA document and expertly positioned himself as a security whistleblower who may or may not have sold off the documents for lots of money and is now living it up in Russia? And that was his plan all along, yet you think he's not intelligent

Count me as a sheep then.

 

[master_shake_]

So, you believe he was a Russian spy masquerading as a idealistic American who was born and raised in North Coralina, whose father was a rear admiral and worked at the FBI, who ended up getting access to every NSA document and expertly positioned himself as a security whistleblower who may or may not have sold off the documents for lots of money and is now living it up in Russia? And that was his plan all along, yet you think he's not intelligent

Count me as a sheep then.

holy fuck!

that is the best cover ever!

kudos snowden.

 

[zinfamous]

It looks like we need to break this down into simple terms for the fucking braindead.


Snowden sees that there is Domestic Spying (X) and International Spying (Y).

X is dangerous to the Constitution

Y is not

X should be discussed and seen by the US public, or at least its Representatives

Y should not

Snowden takes X and Y, but does not discern which is which

Snowden goes...where???

How???

WHO???

Snowden apparently gives X *AND* Y to Greenwald and people

But who else? Nobody knows.


Why the fuck don't we know where, who, what, and how?

And most importantly...


*****WHY THE FUCK DID HE RELEASE Y?****

His point could have been made by just releasing X. Everybody would have acknowledged that it was needed. In fact, he would have made him *MORE* credible because nobody could discredit him as a traitor. He would have been just a whistleblower.

My theory? He is a traitor, pure and simple, and the release of the domestic spying was to make him impeachable as somewhat of a "patriot" to the internet idiot masses.

Well, I'm glad he wasn't a coward.

Unlike you and your pals.

 

[LegendKiller]

So, you believe he was a Russian spy masquerading as a idealistic American who was born and raised in North Coralina, whose father was a rear admiral and worked at the FBI, who ended up getting access to every NSA document and expertly positioned himself as a security whistleblower who may or may not have sold off the documents for lots of money and is now living it up in Russia? And that was his plan all along, yet you think he's not intelligent

Count me as a sheep then.

LOL - do you think they'd give him that much money? You think he is "living it up" in that shithole?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

whats with the interlacing

 

[Subyman]

LOL - do you think they'd give him that much money? You think he is "living it up" in that shithole?

Okay let's rework your story then:

So, you believe he was a Russian spy masquerading as a idealistic American who was born and raised in North Coralina, whose father was a rear admiral and worked at the FBI, who ended up getting access to every NSA document and expertly positioned himself as a security whistleblower who may or may not have sold off the documents for not much money and is now living in a shit hole in Russia? And that was his plan all along, yet you think he's not intelligent (guess not since he did all that to live in a shit hole.)

Count me as a sheep then.

 

[master_shake_]

It looks like we need to break this down into simple terms for the fucking braindead.


Snowden sees that there is Domestic Spying (X) and International Spying (Y).

X is dangerous to the Constitution

Y is not

X should be discussed and seen by the US public, or at least its Representatives

Y should not

Snowden takes X and Y, but does not discern which is which

Snowden goes...where???

How???

WHO???

Snowden apparently gives X *AND* Y to Greenwald and people

But who else? Nobody knows.


Why the fuck don't we know where, who, what, and how?

And most importantly...


*****WHY THE FUCK DID HE RELEASE Y?****

His point could have been made by just releasing X. Everybody would have acknowledged that it was needed. In fact, he would have made him *MORE* credible because nobody could discredit him as a traitor. He would have been just a whistleblower.

My theory? He is a traitor, pure and simple, and the release of the domestic spying was to make him impeachable as somewhat of a "patriot" to the internet idiot masses.

a question.

if x is bad and y is good when x's info leaves american borders and returns to it is it ok for the nsa to spy on a us citizens info then?

because snowden said that google, yahoo, ms, et. al will shuffle your data in datacenters around the world.

 

[ivwshane]

That sad part is everyone is more interested in discussing snowden and not the actual issue.

That says a lot.

 

[Subyman]

That sad part is everyone is more interested in discussing snowden and not the actual issue.

That says a lot.

Eh, not much to discuss. They should shut down domestic surveillance or highly temper it, but they likely won't. So, let's fight about whether he is a traitor or not. Kill the messenger.

 

[Perknose]

So, you believe he was a Russian spy masquerading as a idealistic American who was born and raised in North Coralina, whose father was a rear admiral and worked at the FBI, who ended up getting access to every NSA document and expertly positioned himself as a security whistleblower who may or may not have sold off the documents for lots of money and is now living it up in Russia? And that was his plan all along, yet you think he's not intelligent

Count me as a sheep then.

:biggrin:

 

[DrDoug]

Baaaaa. Baaaaaaaaa!

If it bleats like a sheep... :biggrin:

If Snowden is smart he will stay in Russia. The problem is that if he was smart he wouldn't have ended up in Russia in the first place. Snowden is no hero to me nor do I care what happens to him. He made his bed, let him sleep in it if he can. If he can't I'm sure that our government will be more than happy to arrange lifetime accommodations for him at one of our exclusive Club Fed resorts.

I don't care for the government spying on us but I care even less for traitors.

 

[Darwin333]

It also highly irritates me how he defended the media as good people trying to do the right thing despite making some mistakes, while painting the NSA/government as all twirling their black mustaches as they plot steal all your naughty pictures or secret brownie recipes or whatever else completely irrelevant thing that's so private.

So you think that we should just get rid of that pesky 4th amendment altogether? Our dumb ass founders giving the sheeple rights they don't need, security above all else eh?