John Kerry's current problem

[smashp]

Im writing this post tonight thinking that many of the Liberal voices on this thread are going to be pissed, but it needs to be said.

After watching the Bil mahr show tonight and some comments by Rourke and Cornell West, it really made me think.

Kerrys Problem of right now is he just hasnt yet show the needed fire. Our country right now is in troubling times and the Kerry Campaign is having a difficult time relaying their positive messages into their criticism of The Bush Administration. Kerrys Voice isnt being heard. If it was, I really Believe the message would be resonating with more americans because George Bush is not that good of a President.


How Could this Change?

Kerry, his supporters, and Myself viewed his experiences in the Vietnam War and in the Protest movement as a strength. I saw in John Kerry from his actions after the war , a stong Leader, a Voice. He Stength to take on a larger power. His testimony in front of The Senate communit was very strong and his voice was heard. It angered many ay the Government, some Against Nixon, And Some Against himself.

Kerry's Strength isnt with his vietnam Service, Its not the fact that he isnt Bush, or his intellectualism.

Its the Strength is his bringing his passion into his Campaign, mixing his emotion and intelligence together to get his message out. Just Like he did in 1971. He went against a powerful opponent.


Well today there are none more powerful, more Shrewd, or more underestimated than George Bush.

if Kerry Expects to Beat him, he has to make his voice be heard, make it resonate. He has to show the Strength he showed in 1971 in the Senate Testimony.

 

[umbrella39]

Kerry lacks real anger and passion about his cause. Not enough emotion. His face also seems to lack the ability to show different expressions. As silly as Bush's expressions are sometimes, you can tell when he is perplexed, happy, sad, etc... Kerry is a stiff.

 

[Riprorin]

His face also seems to lack the ability to show different expressions.

Botox will do that to you.

 

[ntdz]

you act like that 1971 testimony was great or something...that testimony is what will have cost him the election if he loses (swift boat vets anyone?). You say in the first part of your post that kerry needs to show fire, to get his message out. And later on you say his strength is his leadership and strength. If he really possed those attributes then why cant he beat, in your words, a not very good president? A real leader doesnt change his positions on important issues at the whim of what he perceives as what the country wants to hear or change message when his current message isn't working (aka he played up his vietnam service when nobody really cared). He's got a long road ahead of him, but alls not lost...

 

[CocoMunkee]

I hope that he does go back to the 1971 hearings. That exactly what this country need to hear in these times. :laugh:

Four More Years. Four More years. Four More Years.Four More Years- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Kerry lacks real anger and passion about his cause. Not enough emotion. His face also seems to lack the ability to show different expressions. As silly as Bush's expressions are sometimes, you can tell when he is perplexed, happy, sad, etc... Kerry is a stiff.

I think this is exactly it: Kerry lacks conviction, or at least that's how he appears to me. Anyone here see it differently?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Kerry lacks real anger and passion about his cause. Not enough emotion. His face also seems to lack the ability to show different expressions. As silly as Bush's expressions are sometimes, you can tell when he is perplexed, happy, sad, etc... Kerry is a stiff.

I think this is exactly it: Kerry lacks conviction, or at least that's how he appears to me. Anyone here see it differently?

I want him to be as pissed off as I am and I just don't see it in him. As least Clinton could fake concern

 

[Riprorin]

I don't think he knows who he is. Anyone who defines himself based on what he did 35 years ago is in an arrested state of development.

It's almost as pathetic as Al Bundy reliving his high school football career.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Kerry lacks real anger and passion about his cause. Not enough emotion. His face also seems to lack the ability to show different expressions. As silly as Bush's expressions are sometimes, you can tell when he is perplexed, happy, sad, etc... Kerry is a stiff.

I think this is exactly it: Kerry lacks conviction, or at least that's how he appears to me. Anyone here see it differently?

no your wrong, Kerry is a great man who fought for America. But that does not qualify him as a man to lead America.

I dont care if Kerry is a stiff, which he is sometimes or he doesnt get riled up, its that I believe Bush is better suited to conduct this war on terror

 

[MidasKnight]

A real leader doesnt change his positions on important issues at the whim of what he perceives as what the country wants to hear

He's not Presidential material. Just because he won in Iowa at the first running the Dems ( not all of them ) jumped on his banwagon. Anybody but Bush didn't and will not cut it in this race. Still will be close but I think Bush will win based on his responce to terror threats and strength in this issue.

 

[Lovepig]

It will not be close. No matter how close it SEEMS, Hillary will make sure events happen that will ensure Kerry will lose.

Kerry has 2 problems. 1)Other Dem's are secretively working against him. 2)He is strategically incompetent. He keeps letting Bush's team dictate what issues will be focused on and reacts to those issues instead of bringing up his own to focus the nations attention on Bushs weaknesses. In the rare case he does pick an issue to attack, he picks areas that he sucks in himself ro that Bush is stronger in so he gets his butt handed to him on a platter.

He ought to be talking about jobs, the economy, preferential treatment to big busioness, tax cuts for the rich, etc and he should NOT be responding at all to other losing issues. Just ignore them, don't feed the fire.

Not that it matters. Hillary will own him...

 

[nageov3t]

I agree.

I am going to hold Iowa and New Hampshire 100% responsible for whatever Bush does in his next 4 years in office.

but that's what we get when the democratic party lets a couple bland states chose the canidate.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

It's sad that the majority of Americans are so stupid they vote for a president based upon a popularity contest.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
It's sad that the majority of Americans are so stupid they vote for a president based upon a popularity contest.

It's sad that you honestly believe anyone who disagrees with your opinions doesn't consider issues. Kerry has shown nothing on the issues, and the issues that he has, I can't support.

 

[randym431]

I'll vote for Kerry regardless. I'm a "anybody but Bush" voter. But Kerry should have never went vacationing during the RNC. Bush has a big advantage in "being" the pres. Kerry doesn?t have that and should have NEVER went wind surfing. Its very hard to un seat a pres in midterm. Nixon won in 72 even though all his dark dealings had already began to surface, he still won, and big. Clinton was able to un seat Bush because Clinton was a genius at running and also in picking those to run his campaign. Many from that Clinton team, back in 92, are in there own right very famous today. And they loved Clinton, would die for him, and never let any Bush attack against Clinton stand. It was as they say "the war room". Kerry lacks ALL that, so un seating Bush will be very very very hard. Kerry cant blink even once. His vacation during the RNC may have almost done him in. Way bad decision on Kerry's part. And who's running his campaign to let him make that mistake? Then, Kerry waited way too long to respond to Bush and Cheney attacks. Even now, this is still his problem. Right now I have no doubt Kerry is being buried from all sides with advice from angry Democrats, telling him what to do and what not to do. I often wonder about these mid-term elections. Like with Dole vs Clinton. No one really thought Dole would win. But "someone" had to run against Clinton. So the Dole campaign was more of a "fare-well and thanks" tour to his fellow Republicans. Now Kerry is running, but making way too many strange mistakes. He lets Bush guide the issue and is too slow to respond to attacks. So I wonder, does Kerry really want to win? Or is this just a sideshow to get thru the 2004 election, and set things up for Hillary in 2008, when the playing field will be much more level? Do us Democrats really want to win that much? Howard Dean (I wasn?t his fan) but Dean at least would have made those Republicans remember who he was and what we stand for. Dean would have been a lot like Bush, in that you wouldn?t have any trouble in knowing his stand on things. Thats one thing they seem to say about Bush. That, even if you hate him and disagree, you do know where he stands on things. The only hope I see for Kerry is if theres a lot of those "silent majority - like" voters that will come out for Kerry. One reason I think this may happen is the fact a lot of people are still very miffed at the way the 2000 election went and turned out. Then, theres all those books against Bush and Michael Moore?s movie, too. If theres a deep hidden anger brewing from those two issues alone, Kerry could pull off a real shocking upset in November. I hope so!

 

[nageov3t]

So I wonder, does Kerry really want to win?

I've decided that he doesn't.

no one could run such a shoddy campaign without doing it on purpose.

 

[Zebo]

Can't modivate the base plain and simple. I was so sad to see the big money come in for kerry and destroy Deans paid for by little people grassroots candidacy...lets' see how many of *them* show on election day I'll be fishing since I get the day off.

I rather have the real thing, W, than some poser. 08' should be ripe for a socialist.

 

[randym431]

I forgot to add, Clinton had old Ross going for him too, in 92. He didnt need Ross in 96, because like I said, its very very very hard to un seat a pres in midterm.


PS.. listen to Al Franken on radio (or XM radio at least). I think Al is great! Besides being political, he's also a comedian. Even if you dont like his politics, you'll like his humor. He does great impressions.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Kerry lacks real anger

LOL you people are so wacked out that you think that people don't hate bush because Kerry isn't angry enough!

he's the manifestation of your rage against a moderate with some conservative social views and now you think you could win if he was just more of an embodiment of your hatred.

... beautiful.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Kerry lacks real anger

LOL you people are so wacked out that you think that people don't hate bush because Kerry isn't angry enough!

he's the manifestation of your rage against a moderate with some conservative social views and now you think you could win if he was just more of an embodiment of your hatred.

... beautiful.

Talk about wacked out.....Geez!!!!!! You should maybe keep some of this to yourself or keep an eye open for the guys in white coats.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Kerry lacks real anger

LOL you people are so wacked out that you think that people don't hate bush because Kerry isn't angry enough!

he's the manifestation of your rage against a moderate with some conservative social views and now you think you could win if he was just more of an embodiment of your hatred.

... beautiful.

Talk about wacked out.....Geez!!!!!! You should maybe keep some of this to yourself or keep an eye open for the guys in white coats.

i tip my hat to you sr.
/thank

yellow red green and blue
9 4 10 and 2

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Kerry lacks real anger

LOL you people are so wacked out that you think that people don't hate bush because Kerry isn't angry enough!

he's the manifestation of your rage against a moderate with some conservative social views and now you think you could win if he was just more of an embodiment of your hatred.

... beautiful.

Talk about wacked out.....Geez!!!!!! You should maybe keep some of this to yourself or keep an eye open for the guys in white coats.

i tip my hat to you sr.
/thank

yellow red green and blue
9 4 10 and 2

Hehe, I felt maybe I owed you one. Please carry on.....

 

[gutharius]

Personally, I agree with those that say Kerry is not wearing his heart on his sleeve for all to see. I feel he does not show any real emotion towards getting the presidency. At times to me it really seems Kerry is a empty body speaking about how bad things are with out showing how he feels about things being so bad which to me leads to a message with out feeling and therefore and empty message. Most of america knows on some level Bush is a bad president but at least they can tell what he is thinking and feeling by simply looking at him when he speaks. They can see a sense of feeling and emotion. Kerry lacks this ability and unless he can show he is a human being with a beating heart and the ability to empathize with those he wants to represent as president he will be slaughtered in the debates. We Democrats need to learn to show the passion we feel for our message of unity and togetherness. If not I fear we will continue to slip and lose ground to the Republicans. We as democrats need to learn a lesson from the Republican stratedy books, we as Humans are chained to our emotions and feelings and if you can grab that chain and control it you control the populace in general.

 

[gutharius]

In responce to those who think Kerry needs to show anger: he doesn't need to show anger he needs to show he gives a flying F#ck by showing how he feels about the way america is now.

 

[randym431]

Speaking of stratedy books, we borrow and steal from each other all the time. Democrats took on Republican issues, like crime and the economy, and used it against them. Clinton was good at this. In 92, Demo's put up a young, fresh guy against Senior Bush. We won. In 2000, the Repub's put up a new young fresh guy to our, young but old themed, Gore, and they won.
But this isnt over yet. Things could change. Michael Moore's movie will also be released on DVD/tape Oct 5th. Things like that could swing a few poll points the other way.
Guess I'm just waiting for the debates....