"John Kerry is an internationalist"- Howard Dean

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Your so-called "Internationalist quip" is only a quip if you believe being an internationalist is a bad thing. It isn't. It astounds me that so many Republicans will lecture about the "global economy", yet attack Kerry for being an "internationalist". If they would pull their heads out of their partisan hatred for even a moment, they would see the two go hand-in-hand.

The United States cannot afford the arrogance of dismissing the rest of the world. It will be our undoing. Although we're top dog for the moment, it will not last. We are a minority on the global scene. If the the rest of the world grows tired of our bullying -- and it will -- we're toast. Our only hope over the long term is to actively foster collaborative relationships with as many countries as we can. Previous administrations understood this. Cowboy Bush does not. This alone makes him the single most dangerous person to the safety of the United States.


(Re. your alleged party affiliation, I have yet to see one iota of evidence you are anything other than a died-in-the-wool supporter of the Republican party line. If you are truly registered as a Democrat, it's only because you can't figure out how to change it. IMO, of course.)

Why don't you take your head out of the sand and realize that this Administration isn't bullying anyone. Furthermore, why don't you admit that the Administration is working with the international community to solve the most urgent problems. The difference between Kerry and Bush is that the latter will put American interests first while the latter will instinctively put the interests of the world above our own.

This Administration is no different than previous Administrations in supporting US interests via international institutions. Kerry would, at the very least, be undecided, and at the very worst, support an agenda that goes against our interests. The man waffles on every issue. That makes him an easy target for hardballers on the international scene. I also wouldn't doubt that he'd turn against this country not unlike what he did to his fellow soldiers still fighting in Vietnam when he reported all those lies to the Congress.

BTW, if you live in or near NYC, I'd urge you to see the workings of this Administration when cabinet members speak at the United Nations, Council on Foreign Relations, Federal Reserve, or any of the outposts of the World Bank or IMF. You'd see what I'm talking about.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I see your comments as pure, Republican party-line Kerry-bashing, empty smears unfounded in fact. I've seen no evidence to back your continued claims that Kerry will act against the best interests of the U.S. On the other hand, I see little evidence Bush-lite even considers the best interests of the U.S., let alone putting them first.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Czar
where does he say that Kerry would put the international community before the US ?

well if kerry is the good libral democrat he has been over the years why would he stray from this well known democratic position on foreign affairs?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Czar
where does he say that Kerry would put the international community before the US ?

well if kerry is the good libral democrat he has been over the years why would he stray from this well known democratic position on foreign affairs?

Speaking of, "pure, Republican party-line Kerry-bashing, empty smears unfounded in fact."

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Darling

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Darling

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Darling

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Darling

Originally posted by: aswedc
Funny, I'd say the War in Iraq (especially rushing to start it) was putting the Iraqis interests ahead of our own. "Liberation" anyone?

How so?
The liberation of Iraq got rid of a nasty tyrant who was a virile anti-American.
The liberation of Iraq completes the encirclement of Iran.
The liberation of Iraq gets us a powerful partner and leverage in OPEC and the greater debate over containing Saudi Arabia.
The liberation of Iraq puts more pressure on Israel, Palestine and Syria to make peace.
The liberation of Iraq gives us a better strategic foothold in the Middle East to protect our vital interests.
The liberation of Iraq gives us an opportunity to start the democratization (and eventual modernization of the Arab world.

American interests are all over this. If it was up to the internationalist Kerry, he would have heeded France and Germany's call to pull back.

The liberation of Iraq is a waste of billions upon billions of taxpayer money, and hundreds of soldiers' lives.
Bush is an internationalist now too, since he wants UN back in Iraq?
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/040314/w031416.html

The liberation of Iraq is a waste of billions upon billions of taxpayer money,

That is ONLY CONJECTURE on your part it may take decades to know how the whole Iraq thing plays out........

BTW a few million people in Iraq disagree with you

Fsck them, they aren't worth one American life. If they were so for us being there you can bet that we'd have all the names of the perpertrators blowing up American Soldiers with roadside bombs.

Those Iraqis would tend to disagree with you. And that's a very racist statement.

What's so racist about it?

For starters, you sound just like the head of one of the madrassas in Pakistan who said that "all of America is not worth the life of one Muslim. You (the journalist) may disagree but that's how I feel." This was on Nightline shortly after the invasion of Afghanistan.

Now tell me, who's right: You or the headmaster? Who's more racist? Who's more ignorant? Who's more of an ass?

Easy you are.

Since that answer made no grammatical sense, I'd say the answer is you. I was originally going to put you two in the same category but, apparently, you've beaten the headmaster in the race to the bottom.

So I'm worse than a terrorist because I don't believe that liberating the Iraqi's is/was worth any American lives? Nice spin, you should join the Dub's Re-Election Campaign, you would fit right in!

There you go again with your ignorant and racist statements. I said the man was the headmaster of a madrassa, not a terrorist. You've got major issues.

Excuse me, an Radical Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorist Sympathizer.

I'm done with you.

If only you could say that about high school

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Your so-called "Internationalist quip" is only a quip if you believe being an internationalist is a bad thing. It isn't. It astounds me that so many Republicans will lecture about the "global economy", yet attack Kerry for being an "internationalist". If they would pull their heads out of their partisan hatred for even a moment, they would see the two go hand-in-hand.

The United States cannot afford the arrogance of dismissing the rest of the world. It will be our undoing. Although we're top dog for the moment, it will not last. We are a minority on the global scene. If the the rest of the world grows tired of our bullying -- and it will -- we're toast. Our only hope over the long term is to actively foster collaborative relationships with as many countries as we can. Previous administrations understood this. Cowboy Bush does not. This alone makes him the single most dangerous person to the safety of the United States.


(Re. your alleged party affiliation, I have yet to see one iota of evidence you are anything other than a died-in-the-wool supporter of the Republican party line. If you are truly registered as a Democrat, it's only because you can't figure out how to change it. IMO, of course.)

Why don't you take your head out of the sand and realize that this Administration isn't bullying anyone. Furthermore, why don't you admit that the Administration is working with the international community to solve the most urgent problems. The difference between Kerry and Bush is that the latter will put American interests first while the latter will instinctively put the interests of the world above our own.

This Administration is no different than previous Administrations in supporting US interests via international institutions. Kerry would, at the very least, be undecided, and at the very worst, support an agenda that goes against our interests. The man waffles on every issue. That makes him an easy target for hardballers on the international scene. I also wouldn't doubt that he'd turn against this country not unlike what he did to his fellow soldiers still fighting in Vietnam when he reported all those lies to the Congress.

BTW, if you live in or near NYC, I'd urge you to see the workings of this Administration when cabinet members speak at the United Nations, Council on Foreign Relations, Federal Reserve, or any of the outposts of the World Bank or IMF. You'd see what I'm talking about.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I see your comments as pure, Republican party-line Kerry-bashing, empty smears unfounded in fact. I've seen no evidence to back your continued claims that Kerry will act against the best interests of the U.S. On the other hand, I see little evidence Bush-lite even considers the best interests of the U.S., let alone putting them first.

I try to be impartial in every statement I make. Kerry's stances makes it very difficult to look impartial without looking like a buffoon, not unlike what the NY Times did a couple of weeks ago when they endorsed him. I was laughing so hard at the endorsement that I find it hard to believe the editors weren't either.

Anyway, Bowfinger, I will support any Democratic candidate that is strong on defense and economics. Personally, I'm a very straight foward guy who doesn't like to dick around. When it comes to serious matters, consistency means the most to me, even if you and I are polar opposites. That's why I respect President Bush. I feel very queasy when it comes to Kerry. The man comes across as not trustworthy at all.

BTW, don't forget my invitation to you about attending some meetings at the CFR or UN. The membership fee is $2,000 annually. Otherwise, you can come as an invited guest.

 

[Dari]

If only you could say that about high school

Nice comeback.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Dari

If only you could say that about high school

Nice comeback.

Thanks.

Who died and made the US the world's policeman?
.
.
.
GI's

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Dari

If only you could say that about high school

Nice comeback.

Thanks.

Who died and made the US the world's policeman?
.
.
.
GI's

Some say the 3000 who parished on 9/11

 

[thebestMAX]

And many before that!

 

[heartsurgeon]

internationalist

HAHAHAHA
that will get him the soccer mom votes!

check these out for a good laugh:

U.N. Poll: Kerry Beats Bush in Landslide
Kerry Seeks U.N. Coalition for Ad War on Bush
Bush Offers to Let Kerry Rule '2nd America'

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

internationalist

HAHAHAHA
that will get him the soccer mom votes!

check these out for a good laugh:

U.N. Poll: Kerry Beats Bush in Landslide
Kerry Seeks U.N. Coalition for Ad War on Bush
Bush Offers to Let Kerry Rule '2nd America'

Those are hilarious!

CkG

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

GI's

Some say the 3000 who parished on 9/11[/quote]

How about the million soldiers or so that died during the first Gulf War?

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

GI's

Some say the 3000 who parished on 9/11

How about the million soldiers or so that died during the first Gulf War?[/quote]


Which million would that be? and what does that have to do with 9/11?

 

[rchiu]

Geezz, just becuase Bush Admin isn't capable of working with International community, they have to label and attack anyone else who trys to use diplomacy or work with international partners.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Geezz, just becuase Bush Admin isn't capable of working with International community, they have to label and attack anyone else who trys to use diplomacy or work with international partners.

He's already labeled himself that. His statements have been such that he feels the US should have to "ask" and get approval for everything....well anythin he doesn't approve of today.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Dari
[ ... ]
Anyway, Bowfinger, I will support any Democratic candidate that is strong on defense and economics. Personally, I'm a very straight foward guy who doesn't like to dick around. When it comes to serious matters, consistency means the most to me, even if you and I are polar opposites. That's why I respect President Bush. I feel very queasy when it comes to Kerry. The man comes across as not trustworthy at all. ...

Sorry Dari. You have absolutely Zero credibility with me if you say you respect Bush for his consistency. With all due respect, have you read or watched anything since 2000?

 

[sandorski]

Maybe Bush should give Iraqi's the vote in this years US Elections, he'd win in a landslide. If the PR is to be believed.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Dari
[ ... ]
Anyway, Bowfinger, I will support any Democratic candidate that is strong on defense and economics. Personally, I'm a very straight foward guy who doesn't like to dick around. When it comes to serious matters, consistency means the most to me, even if you and I are polar opposites. That's why I respect President Bush. I feel very queasy when it comes to Kerry. The man comes across as not trustworthy at all. ...

Sorry Dari. You have absolutely Zero credibility with me if you say you respect Bush for his consistency. With all due respect, have you read or watched anything since 2000?

And you have Zero credibility with me. You're such a rude and nasty person it's almost sickening. Anyway, I'm done arguing with your pointless and sadistic opinions. If I didn't know any better I'd say you have the IQ of a plastic ball (no disrespect to plastic balls). I'm sure you'll enjoy getting the last laugh on this because I'm done with you too. I have to get started on putting my application (letters of recommendations, resume, concentration...etc) together for graduate school. I don't expect to be back on this board for a long time.

Enjoy your depression.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Dari
[ ... ]
Anyway, Bowfinger, I will support any Democratic candidate that is strong on defense and economics. Personally, I'm a very straight foward guy who doesn't like to dick around. When it comes to serious matters, consistency means the most to me, even if you and I are polar opposites. That's why I respect President Bush. I feel very queasy when it comes to Kerry. The man comes across as not trustworthy at all. ...

Sorry Dari. You have absolutely Zero credibility with me if you say you respect Bush for his consistency. With all due respect, have you read or watched anything since 2000?

And you have Zero credibility with me. You're such a rude and nasty person it's almost sickening. Anyway, I'm done arguing with your pointless and sadistic opinions. If I didn't know any better I'd say you have the IQ of a plastic ball (no disrespect to plastic balls). I'm sure you'll enjoy getting the last laugh on this because I'm done with you too. I have to get started on putting my application (letters of recommendations, resume, concentration...etc) together for graduate school. I don't expect to be back on this board for a long time.

Enjoy your depression.

Nice rant. I wouldn't be able to defend Bush's inconsistency either.


Best wishes in grad school.