John Edwards to run for President in 2004.

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SuperTool

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Originally posted by: LH
Hes not a threat to Bush. Clinton is more likely to get the Dem nod than he is, and shes not even going to run in 2004. Al Sharpton is going to be a problem for the democrats. When all is said and done though it will be Bush vs Kerry in 2004. Bush will win.

I think it's going to be Edwards. Last 3 Democrat presidents have been from the South.
 

Peetoeng

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
is he a commie?

No, but unlike George W. . . . Edwards has probably read Marx.

McCain/Edwards 2004 or Edwards/McCain . . . either one will do.

If the economy is still in stagnant to near slow growth, that'd spell trouble for Bush. If McCain is on the Edwards' ticket, McCain may neutralize Bush's advantage on strong-military-leaning/conservative voters.

Are we going to re-visit it's the economy, stupid?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
is he a commie?

No, but unlike George W. . . . Edwards has probably read Marx.

McCain/Edwards 2004 or Edwards/McCain . . . either one will do.
Man....talk about a serious "No-Bullsh*t" ticket......

 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: MaxDepth


I'm here in NC and he is far too young and [politically] inexperienced.
Only one term as Senator and local repubs only scratched the smear campaign surface with Edwards. Nope, next contestant please...

How many years did Dubbya have in Government when he ran? 4 years as Governor of Texas? How many will Edwards have in 2004? 4 years as Senator?

Obviously, lack of experience doesn't matter as long as the candidate is from your party.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
is he a commie?

No, but unlike George W. . . . Edwards has probably read Marx.

McCain/Edwards 2004 or Edwards/McCain . . . either one will do.

McCain is a joke.
5th from the bottom at Canoe U. Was a pilot because his daddy was an Admiral.
Accused of collaborating with the Vietnamese while he was a POW although he was probably given special treatment because daddy was an admiral.
Keating 5.
First marriage broke up because of his infidelity. Still has a rep. for being less than faithful.
Second wifes family is connected to organized crime.
Very much the hot head. Quick tempered and difficult to work with.

He is outspoken on one hot button issue and suddenly he is the hero of the masses. Doesn't matter anyway, he won't break ranks and run against a sitting President.


 

JellyBaby

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How many years did Dubbya have in Government when he ran? 4 years as Governor of Texas? How many will Edwards have in 2004? 4 years as Senator?
Most feel having a governorship under your belt gains you more credibility and experience for President. What senators do is less substantial and history shows senators have a far tougher time getting elected to the office of the President than do governors, all else being equal.
He became a successful trial lawyer in Raleigh, winning personal injury cases against big companies and amassing a fortune of $14 million.
He has to be a scum-sucking, cost-raising, anti-humanity lawyer type? Man when did regular people stop running for office? At least he's not a career politician...he's only served one term as senator right?
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: LH
Hes not a threat to Bush. Clinton is more likely to get the Dem nod than he is, and shes not even going to run in 2004. Al Sharpton is going to be a problem for the democrats. When all is said and done though it will be Bush vs Kerry in 2004. Bush will win.

I think it's going to be Edwards. Last 3 Democrat presidents have been from the South.

That's because you can't seem win without winning at least one southern state. Having a candidate from one of them will help the Dems out.
 

Carbo

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Hmmm. I think this guy has spunk. He seems charismatic and he pulls no punches going after the GOP and it's "by the special interests,for the special interests" attack.

Bush should be worried.
Worried! About what? This dope? He is so much NOT a threat that he will be reduced to an answer in some future edition of Trivial Pursuit. The man is unqualified and has just committed political suicide.
 

SuperTool

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I think women will decide the next election.
So dems will run someone photogenic and charismatic.
If women are wary of war in 2004, Bush will lose. If not, he'll win.
Economy will be big deal if it gets worse from now.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: JellyBaby
How many years did Dubbya have in Government when he ran? 4 years as Governor of Texas? How many will Edwards have in 2004? 4 years as Senator?
Most feel having a governorship under your belt gains you more credibility and experience for President. What senators do is less substantial and history shows senators have a far tougher time getting elected to the office of the President than do governors, all else being equal.
He became a successful trial lawyer in Raleigh, winning personal injury cases against big companies and amassing a fortune of $14 million.
He has to be a scum-sucking, cost-raising, anti-humanity lawyer type? Man when did regular people stop running for office? At least he's not a career politician...he's only served one term as senator right?
Actually, he is "regular people" for the most part. His dad worked in a textile mill (they're all over central NC), he went to public schools and just happens to be really damn smart. Despite his background as an attorney, you might want to listen to him speak once or twice before condemning him.

 

Pastfinder

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this is all window dressing for 2008, since nobody's going to take "W".

Depends how many bodies pile up in the deserts. There is also the little thing called the ECONOMY to deal with. Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a nation is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: Pastfinder
this is all window dressing for 2008, since nobody's going to take "W".

Depends how many bodies pile up in the deserts. There is also the little thing called the ECONOMY to deal with. Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a nation is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

And you know, Republicans claimed the same thing about George I, 2 years into his term.
 

Carbo

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
I think women will decide the next election.
So dems will run someone photogenic and charismatic.
If women are wary of war in 2004, Bush will lose. If not, he'll win.
Economy will be big deal if it gets worse from now.
Huh? Are males going to be banned from voting? What a ridiculous statement.

 

Larvae

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he has almost no relevant experience esp compared to bush. i hope hes their nominee bush will beat him badly
 

Vernor

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Originally posted by: Larvae
he has almost no relevant experience esp compared to bush. i hope hes their nominee bush will beat him badly


Gore had oodles of top-level exprience, running against a guy whose main job was to sign off on executions.


These things are rarely decided on experience.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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McCain is a joke.
5th from the bottom at Canoe U. Was a pilot because his daddy was an Admiral.
Accused of collaborating with the Vietnamese while he was a POW although he was probably given special treatment because daddy was an admiral.
Keating 5.
First marriage broke up because of his infidelity. Still has a rep. for being less than faithful.
Second wifes family is connected to organized crime.
Very much the hot head. Quick tempered and difficult to work with.

Let's compare Bios:

Two sons from distinguished families.

One goes to Annapolis (probably on daddy's coat tails).
The other goes to Andover, Yale, and Harvard MBA (based solely on family connections/money).

One goes to Vietnam as a pilot (albeit marginal ability according to DS).
The other enlists in the Texas Air National Guard (an appointment achieved due to connections) and doesn't know what he was doing for a whole year during his service to his country.

JM adult life:U.S. Navy pilot and captain 1958-1981 (Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, Distinguished Flying Cross, POW 1967-73, released 03/17/1973); Senate Navy Liaison, Director 1977-81; U.S. Representative 1983-86; U.S. Senator 1986-present

GWB adult life: failed congressional run, string of failed businesses (wasting other people's money), unAmerican and unGOP-like taking of private property to build a baseball stadium which produces a Clintonesque windfall, elected to the weakest governorship in the nation, presided over TX budget which went from unprecedented surplus to unprecedented deficits, now performing similar act on national level.

JM sketchiness: Keating 5 (yeah, looks dirty), marital infidelity (umm, I thought that was a requirement for elected office);)

GWB sketchiness: professed past alcohol abuse, lingering questions about past drug use, new TX license to expunge past driving record, business activities with Arbusto, Bush Exploration, Spectrum 7, and Harken energy, Bob Jones panderer (plus some quite ugly ads in SC primary), general inability to conjugate a verb.


 

BaliBabyDoc

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It's going to be a fvcking nightmare if that POS ambulance chaser becomes President.

For the uninitiated . . . ambulance chasers are typically poor in quality and ethics. No one (not even the losing parties) have questioned his ethics and his ability is readily apparent. NC does not have nearly the tort issues of other states b/c we put a substantial burden on the plaintiffs before cases will be considered.

In the state of TX doctors can operate on the wrong foot, leave a person disabled for life, and fear jury awards of only $30K. In NC people are fairly treated b/c the system is not tilted in favor of trial lawyers OR industry/commerce but towards fair adjudication of disputes and just compensation for wrongdoing by commission or omission.

Let's be honest . . . if UT-Austin had lowered their standards enough to allow Bush to matriculate; he might have been the ignorant man's version of John Edwards in Texas. Nevermind, most trial lawyers must be able to speak in complete sentences . . . in English.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
McCain is a joke.
5th from the bottom at Canoe U. Was a pilot because his daddy was an Admiral.
Accused of collaborating with the Vietnamese while he was a POW although he was probably given special treatment because daddy was an admiral.
Keating 5.
First marriage broke up because of his infidelity. Still has a rep. for being less than faithful.
Second wifes family is connected to organized crime.
Very much the hot head. Quick tempered and difficult to work with.

Let's compare Bios:

Two sons from distinguished families.

One goes to Annapolis (probably on daddy's coat tails).
The other goes to Andover, Yale, and Harvard MBA (based solely on family connections/money).

One goes to Vietnam as a pilot (albeit marginal ability according to DS).
The other enlists in the Texas Air National Guard (an appointment achieved due to connections) and doesn't know what he was doing for a whole year during his service to his country.

JM adult life:U.S. Navy pilot and captain 1958-1981 (Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, Distinguished Flying Cross, POW 1967-73, released 03/17/1973); Senate Navy Liaison, Director 1977-81; U.S. Representative 1983-86; U.S. Senator 1986-present

GWB adult life: failed congressional run, string of failed businesses (wasting other people's money), unAmerican and unGOP-like taking of private property to build a baseball stadium which produces a Clintonesque windfall, elected to the weakest governorship in the nation, presided over TX budget which went from unprecedented surplus to unprecedented deficits, now performing similar act on national level.

JM sketchiness: Keating 5 (yeah, looks dirty), marital infidelity (umm, I thought that was a requirement for elected office);)

GWB sketchiness: professed past alcohol abuse, lingering questions about past drug use, new TX license to expunge past driving record, business activities with Arbusto, Bush Exploration, Spectrum 7, and Harken energy, Bob Jones panderer (plus some quite ugly ads in SC primary), general inability to conjugate a verb.



Yes BBD I know you have the ability to preach at length about GW's shortfalls and failures. You devoted 3 sentences to Bush's sketchiness and 5 words to the Keating scandal. You think McCain would make a good President, fine. I suggest you look harder at the man, his record and his past and current "friends". When he first started making noise I was a fan also. Not any more.
 

rgwalt

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For a brief moment, I was worried that you were referring to the whack-job who believes he can talk to dead people.

Ryan
 

BaliBabyDoc

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McCain fessed up that his advocacy was not appropriate and has actually crusaded to DECREASE the influence of money in the political process. If McCain runs for the White House I think the Keating 5 issue should be fully addressed again.

Bush on the otherhand has no wrongs in his past. According to him his business failings are a figment of accounting and his successes came from boot strap determinism. Questions about his personal and professional past remain unanswered by HIM.

You are absolutely right I could give a testament to Bush's foibles and travesties b/c people have written whole books about them. McCain is not Mr. Smith Comes to Washington when it comes to compassion, affability, or fairness. But don't you dare pretend Bush's private/public dealings before his election in 2000 represented compassion, fairness, or ability.

Regardless, he's done a decent job during trying times but he's not governor of TX anymore and affability can't carry foreign or domestic policy. Decisions in the White House reverberate around the world and through the decades. He's still light on intellect and worldview. George and Barb raised a decent kid but he never embraced intellectual curiosity or the plight of those unlike himself. We survived 8 years of Clinton but 8 years of Bush would be devastating to any notion of sustainable peace or sustainable development.

Clark/Powell 2004
Clark/McCain 2004
Edwards/Clark 2004
Powell/Edwards 2004
Edwards/Powell 2004
Powell/McCain 2004
McCain/Powell 2004

Anything but Bush/phantom Cheney or Bush/Rice.
 

alm4rr

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Originally posted by: Tarpon6
John Edwards- good looking, charismatic, socialist. I hope to god he doesn't win, but he is a serious threat. He may very well get the nomination. He is the candidate I would be most worried about if I were GW. The other dolts don't have a chance. I don't think GW is particularly inspiring, but everyone else is either nausiating or loves taxes and social programs too much. Some of the candidates are both.

socialist?... what a maroon

I don't think anything personifies the Democrat party quite as well as a personal injury lawyer.
yea someone who stuck it to a company that intentionally fu**ed over their consumers - their injuries were just part of a cost equation to the company. rather have someone looking out for me than the coporations that wanna stick it to me.


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